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How many Big 12 titles does Holgorsen have? Holgorsen blew 3 TD lead against Oklahoma State while he had his greatest offensive team. A loss that blew his one and only shot at title game. Holgorsen began this losing streaks to both OU and Oklahoma State.
Holgorsen used more blow in his 8 years than any coach ever.
Great observation. Let's hope Buck can read and finally understands what football really is.
At a certain point you have to look at what your team can effectively execute. They had very good cover DBs and pressed coverage. To our coaches credit, we took shots downfield but they didn’t connect. The shorter routes were jammed up or covered except some slants. For the longer routes, we couldn’t protect long enough to allow Doege to make an accurate throw. He took hits and got stripped. It had an effect. If we could have made those plays, I feel sure more of them would have been called.
We also made mistakes and penalties that put us behind the down and distances. We shot our own foot which is a coaching thing. But with the virus, I have a hard time laying all that on the coaches. If we are still having these penalties by midseason, then that will be on our staff.
I do wonder why we didn’t throw any passes to our TEs. They can be tremendous assets to an offense. Hope this changes going forward. I’m not holding my breath.
Holgorsens main problem while coach at WVU was that, no matter how many points he was able to engineer, the defense often gave up just enough pts to cause a loss.
He still had WVU on the verge of a BIG 12 title a couple of times- No easy Feat when you have to face so many top ranked teams and playoff contenders and play everyone in the conference.
Browns philosophy and why he was brought in it seems, was to accomodate the sunday or monday morning wannabe coaches that decided you didnt need to score to win in the BIG 12, just play D and youll win the conference. So the great offense was thrown away— in order to have low scoring games that WVU might eke out. Problem is Browns Ds are giving up more points than Holgorsens, while producing half or less than half the offense. The other teams are winning more than their share against WVU now.
So instead of wondering if WVU can get through to that championship as with Holgorsen, Now its wondering and hoping if WVU can even compete with anyone in conference.
He still had WVU on the verge of a BIG 12 title a couple of times- No easy Feat when you have to face so many top ranked teams and playoff contenders and play everyone in the conference.
Browns philosophy and why he was brought in it seems, was to accomodate the sunday or monday morning wannabe coaches that decided you didnt need to score to win in the BIG 12, just play D and youll win the conference. So the great offense was thrown away— in order to have low scoring games that WVU might eke out. Problem is Browns Ds are giving up more points than Holgorsens, while producing half or less than half the offense. The other teams are winning more than their share against WVU now.
So instead of wondering if WVU can get through to that championship as with Holgorsen, Now its wondering and hoping if WVU can even compete with anyone in conference.
I'm willing to give Brown a few years to get his coaches in place. I'm willing to give him a few years to give him a few years to get the players we need in place. We've already seen more 4* players this early in the recruiting year than we've had in many years. We just don't know what he has as coaches. Vic leaving hurt significantly.
He had WVU on verge of Big 12 title until he played the teams that mattered most.
Koenning leaving had no impact on WVU defensively. No evidence to support that there is any difference .
Brown is in year two, and due to a major pandemic he probably doesnt need to worry this year.
Next season if things dont imorove then Brown is likely in trouble. So far his coaching , players and staff have all been a bust.
Brown is in year two, and due to a major pandemic he probably doesnt need to worry this year.
Next season if things dont imorove then Brown is likely in trouble. So far his coaching , players and staff have all been a bust.
False statement as usual by you. Brown has 4 recruits in 2021 that are 4 star players. That is pretty good for WVU in one recruiting year. Once Holgorsens misfits are gone then you can start judging Brown. But he will be given 4 years.
IT doesnt spell anything, other then a program in its infancy, due to the previous coach leaving us around Marshall level talent. 2017 & 2016 was DH weakest recruiting years, and those classes are our current upperclassmen. The fact we have so many underclassmen starting, tells us NB is getting more talent & planning for the future by increasing their upside.
2018 = NFL Caliber QB, WR's, & OL
2019 = NOTHING but 1 good OL + New Staff+Schemes
Marshall didnt play 2nd & 3rd stringers for the entire second half. Your data points are missing valid categorization & framework. Again, even if Dabo & Staff was here, it would take 5 years to see significant change. Fact remains our starting QB is a BG transfer, and a large % of starters are Freshmen & Soph. Before serious criticism begins, lets give NB time to build the team & program, and implement his vision. When the 2020 class are Juniors, should be about the time to start analyzing program potential under NB. In other words, RELAX. NB is playing with cards dealt atm, and hes already proven hes improving the talent level, so lets see what these lads can do when they are developed+experienced.
Honestly, you have to be a troll. Every analyst and coach within the game is a fan of Neal Brown's coaching ability. He wont have to worry about this year, or the year after, as long as subtle improvements are being made. Especially if he continues to improve our recruiting, which increases his probability of performing well as they develop & gain experience. Building a program from scratch, requires YEARS... 5 to be exact, if you research it. RRod & Dabo both took 5 years before they won their first major bowl game. Dabo even had several top 25 recruiting classes before getting the HC job, so RRod rise in 5 yrs was more remarkable. Right scheme, right players, right time when DC's hadnt caught on yet. When Garrett Greene is in his second year as starting QB, thats when Ill be seeking answers for any offensive inadequacies, until then, I just want to see these young, but talented players improve and get experience, so 2-3 years from now we wont be worrying about players losing individual battles.
If WVU was left Marshall level talent from the previous coach then WVU should be pretty good considering Marshall is undefeated, beat a common opponent worse, has been ranked and defeated a top 25 opponent this season with a WV QB no less.
What really happened at WVu was Brown chased off numerous starters and contributors right off the bat, brought in some poor choice replacements and has proceeded with his Kragthorpe of WVUs program.
He had plenty of returning talent, but managed the third worst rushing in D1 last year and has cut the offensive output by half. The defense is worse than it was under the previous staff as well.
Since having someone who " hint hint" " fits the culture" is more important to influencers than say winning football games, expect WVU football to be in the dregs for some time to come, although a third losing season next year and the calls will come.
What really happened at WVu was Brown chased off numerous starters and contributors right off the bat, brought in some poor choice replacements and has proceeded with his Kragthorpe of WVUs program.
He had plenty of returning talent, but managed the third worst rushing in D1 last year and has cut the offensive output by half. The defense is worse than it was under the previous staff as well.
Since having someone who " hint hint" " fits the culture" is more important to influencers than say winning football games, expect WVU football to be in the dregs for some time to come, although a third losing season next year and the calls will come.
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It is well known that Bucky was Dana's coke dealer.
Reason why he misses him so much. That was 60% of Bucky's business.
Bucky is too scare to move his business to Houston. They would take all his **** in Houston..
Reason why he misses him so much. That was 60% of Bucky's business.
Bucky is too scare to move his business to Houston. They would take all his **** in Houston..
Marshall didnt play 2nd, 3rd, & 4th stringers for the ENTIRE second half vs EKU. Again, framework. Where was this returning talent? Major contributors left.... Kenny Robison got caught cheating & Simms had an attitude problem, which he had problems when DH was there too, so thats not on NB.. Anytime a new coach comes in, esp those with higher expectations, youll lose players that dont buy in, which is probably best to maintain team chemistry.
We had the youngest team in ALL of D1 last year, which means we are still a very young team. Take a look at the roster, approx 70 of the approx 110 players are Fresh & Soph, and many of them are getting significant playing time. The type of recruiting DH did in 2017 and 2016 is a major reason why the current team is lead by underclassmen. What culture are you talking about, attention to detail, program building, recruiting, player development, cause all those are vastly improved under NB. At some point, you have to deploy concepts that your players can execute, nothing but time & pressure will change that.
When the 2020 class are in middle of their Junior year, thats when Ill start seriously analyzing offensive prowess. NOBODY expected much this year, I mean, look at this team. How many upperclassmen NFL caliber players are playing major roles? Also, you keep saying the Defense is worse, and anybody with a brain knows better. Defense stats is often negatively effected when the offense is poor. If you dont think offense can effect defensive metrics, then you simply do not understand football.. Bottom line, its week 3 of year 2 under a staff who is obviously far more focused on improving the talent level & building for long term success. #PATIENCEPAYS
You are def not a fan, just here to stir the pot and try to create a rift in the fanbases support of our current staff, Im not buying it.
Buuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!! More fail from buckpeckereer.
Hey buck butt. If you don't freaking like it go be a herd fan. Quit being stupid.
The people that arent fans are the people making excuses. The people lying about the results of the previous coach and the success of the current one.
Its clear to actual fans that WVU football has taken steps back since the previous staff -- these same attack trolls would be screaming bloody murder if Holgorsen had such poor outcomes. We know this because they DID scream bloody murder.
These same fools keep trying to push off success years down the road but theres really no evidence of improvement from last year-- the passing under Doege seems to have taken a step back in fact. No scoring improvement. D last year and this are less effective than under Holgorsen.
Covid gives this year somewhat of a pass even though all other schools are under the same situation.
WVU needs to make major changes or they wont be competitive in football in this league.
Its clear to actual fans that WVU football has taken steps back since the previous staff -- these same attack trolls would be screaming bloody murder if Holgorsen had such poor outcomes. We know this because they DID scream bloody murder.
These same fools keep trying to push off success years down the road but theres really no evidence of improvement from last year-- the passing under Doege seems to have taken a step back in fact. No scoring improvement. D last year and this are less effective than under Holgorsen.
Covid gives this year somewhat of a pass even though all other schools are under the same situation.
WVU needs to make major changes or they wont be competitive in football in this league.
The left is the only thing staving off utter chaos and the end of the United States of America. But hey ignore reality and go ahead and worship your antichrist dicatator and his thug party trying to steal the election, end social security, medicare, medicaid, healthcare, destroy the environment, destroy unions, steal everyones money and give it all to the wealthy, take away the rights of the majority of the citizenry etc etc. You obviously hate everyone and everyone but yourself, its YOU that has the problem and the rest of you ignoramous right wingers.
Darth Vadeer owned the Liquor store Dana frequented in Morgantown. His sales are down 90%
So Dana was too busy gambling, drinking and doing lines of cocaine.
I feel for Bucky.
He misses Dana. They probably had a good time together.
I just want to know was Dana really drinking tequila out of Bucky's bellybutton.
I feel for Bucky.
He misses Dana. They probably had a good time together.
I just want to know was Dana really drinking tequila out of Bucky's bellybutton.