No game today, so here is my B.S. tangent for the day

doneagain

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The College Gameday bunch was at it today, already dismissing the B12 for a shot at the playoffs. It’s funny how they are now back on the P12 bandwagon a bit and dismissing the B12. Oklahoma could still end up 12-1 with a win over a ranked Baylor and a win over a probably ranked opponent in the B12 title game... or Baylor could theoretically go 13-0 which would get them in the playoffs as they would likely have to face Oklahoma twice which would help offset their weak nonconference schedule.

Only yesterday on ESPNU Radio, Greg McElroy was dismissing Oklahoma after losing 1 game, but then went on to say that Georgia losing to a bad South Carolina team was only an anomaly and they shouldn’t be counted out of the playoffs yet. Kansas State could go on to win 10 games which would certainly make Oklahoma’s loss to them look like the mythical good loss voters talk about, as opposed to Georgia’s bad loss.

Now what I am about to say will undoubtably offend and trigger the sensitive side of the connoisseurs of only the finest football available here on the message board. That said...

As much as I like the round robin style of play in football in the B12, there is a clear advantage for the conferences only playing an 8 game conference schedule each season. Obviously you can’t take away the fact that Clemson and Alabama are just flat out elite teams, but even with the weakened ACC overall, their teams are getting opportunities for nonconference wins that bolster even what little success they appear to have on the field which makes Clemson’s resume look better than it actually is.

The B12 needs to follow suit with the 8 game conference schedule model. This would include the scheduling of the annual patsy game in November the SEC is so fond of. Make note that on November 2, 2019 (i.e. today) reigning national champion Clemson is playing Wofford. Even they are copying SEC scheduling practices to the letter. For the B12 to do it effectively, they need to grow by two teams.

Obviously not playing Texas and Oklahoma every year would be a hit to the schedule for fan interest, but WVU looks committed to playing 11 P5 teams each year. If we were able to get an additional regional game like a PSU, Pitt, VT, Maryland, each year, or even a Miami, UVA, or some other P5 opponent that would generate interest it would offset not playing both teams a little. And some years we might still face both Texas and Oklahoma. It would also open up opportunities for Texas to maybe begin playing A&M annually again, and Maybe Oklahoma to face Nebraska, and Kansas to face Missouri, etc...
  • Bring in Cincinnati and Memphis
  • Do not create divisions, which allows for the 2 best teams to face each other in the B12 title game
  • Potentially prevents annual rematches in B12 title game
  • Both schools are geographic fits and bridge the gap between WVU and the rest of the conference
  • Committed to being competitive in football though will still have growing pains for a while.
  • Fed Ex sponsorship for B12 was offered previously if Memphis invited to B12 http://archive.commercialappeal.com...edex-involvement-32868a03-954-378891691.html/
  • Quality basketball programs which enhance the B12’s basketball strength
  • Top 50 tv markets for both programs
  • Allows for 8 game schedule model which has benefited ACC and SEC
  • For WVU specifically it affords another opportunity for an additional regional rival game each season due to having 4 non conference games each season
  • Also for WVU, it creates drivable conference matches for road games.
  • Potential to benefit Big 12 by having more potential 10-game winning teams at end of each season which helps appearance of strength of playoff resume for a team like Oklahoma that might beat a few conference opponents that end up with 8, 9, or 10 wins because they aren’t playing each other for 9 conference games. A B12 team might end up with 8 wins instead of 7, or 9 instead of 8, etc... because the additional nonconference game each season instead of a B12 team having an additional guaranteed loss due to head to head conference matchups.
  • It would add more available content to the Big 12 platform on ESPN+
  • ESPN would probably be on board because it would mean more subscribers in top 50 markets to ESPN+ expanding the B12 conference footprint.
  • There is a conference tv contract provision that adds revenue to the league contract if it expands; Cindy and Memphis would receive partial shares of revenue for the first several years, and the revenue they did not receive due to receiving partial shares would be distributed among the other members.
I know no matter what, some will turn their nose up at the idea of adding schools like Memphis or cincy, and that is fine, but I believe adding them has more advantages than disadvantages and unlike the Big East that needed to add anchor schools but couldn’t, the B12 already has anchor schools in Oklahoma and Texas. Allowing Texas and Oklahoma to maintain their current TV deals will help ensure they stick around into the future.
 

Charleston Mountie

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The College Gameday bunch was at it today, already dismissing the B12 for a shot at the playoffs. It’s funny how they are now back on the P12 bandwagon a bit and dismissing the B12. Oklahoma could still end up 12-1 with a win over a ranked Baylor and a win over a probably ranked opponent in the B12 title game... or Baylor could theoretically go 13-0 which would get them in the playoffs as they would likely have to face Oklahoma twice which would help offset their weak nonconference schedule.

Only yesterday on ESPNU Radio, Greg McElroy was dismissing Oklahoma after losing 1 game, but then went on to say that Georgia losing to a bad South Carolina team was only an anomaly and they shouldn’t be counted out of the playoffs yet. Kansas State could go on to win 10 games which would certainly make Oklahoma’s loss to them look like the mythical good loss voters talk about, as opposed to Georgia’s bad loss.

Now what I am about to say will undoubtably offend and trigger the sensitive side of the connoisseurs of only the finest football available here on the message board. That said...

As much as I like the round robin style of play in football in the B12, there is a clear advantage for the conferences only playing an 8 game conference schedule each season. Obviously you can’t take away the fact that Clemson and Alabama are just flat out elite teams, but even with the weakened ACC overall, their teams are getting opportunities for nonconference wins that bolster even what little success they appear to have on the field which makes Clemson’s resume look better than it actually is.

The B12 needs to follow suit with the 8 game conference schedule model. This would include the scheduling of the annual patsy game in November the SEC is so fond of. Make note that on November 2, 2019 (i.e. today) reigning national champion Clemson is playing Wofford. Even they are copying SEC scheduling practices to the letter. For the B12 to do it effectively, they need to grow by two teams.

Obviously not playing Texas and Oklahoma every year would be a hit to the schedule for fan interest, but WVU looks committed to playing 11 P5 teams each year. If we were able to get an additional regional game like a PSU, Pitt, VT, Maryland, each year, or even a Miami, UVA, or some other P5 opponent that would generate interest it would offset not playing both teams a little. And some years we might still face both Texas and Oklahoma. It would also open up opportunities for Texas to maybe begin playing A&M annually again, and Maybe Oklahoma to face Nebraska, and Kansas to face Missouri, etc...
  • Bring in Cincinnati and Memphis
  • Do not create divisions, which allows for the 2 best teams to face each other in the B12 title game
  • Potentially prevents annual rematches in B12 title game
  • Both schools are geographic fits and bridge the gap between WVU and the rest of the conference
  • Committed to being competitive in football though will still have growing pains for a while.
  • Fed Ex sponsorship for B12 was offered previously if Memphis invited to B12 http://archive.commercialappeal.com...edex-involvement-32868a03-954-378891691.html/
  • Quality basketball programs which enhance the B12’s basketball strength
  • Top 50 tv markets for both programs
  • Allows for 8 game schedule model which has benefited ACC and SEC
  • For WVU specifically it affords another opportunity for an additional regional rival game each season due to having 4 non conference games each season
  • Also for WVU, it creates drivable conference matches for road games.
  • Potential to benefit Big 12 by having more potential 10-game winning teams at end of each season which helps appearance of strength of playoff resume for a team like Oklahoma that might beat a few conference opponents that end up with 8, 9, or 10 wins because they aren’t playing each other for 9 conference games. A B12 team might end up with 8 wins instead of 7, or 9 instead of 8, etc... because the additional nonconference game each season instead of a B12 team having an additional guaranteed loss due to head to head conference matchups.
  • It would add more available content to the Big 12 platform on ESPN+
  • ESPN would probably be on board because it would mean more subscribers in top 50 markets to ESPN+ expanding the B12 conference footprint.
  • There is a conference tv contract provision that adds revenue to the league contract if it expands; Cindy and Memphis would receive partial shares of revenue for the first several years, and the revenue they did not receive due to receiving partial shares would be distributed among the other members.
I know no matter what, some will turn their nose up at the idea of adding schools like Memphis or cincy, and that is fine, but I believe adding them has more advantages than disadvantages and unlike the Big East that needed to add anchor schools but couldn’t, the B12 already has anchor schools in Oklahoma and Texas. Allowing Texas and Oklahoma to maintain their current TV deals will help ensure they stick around into the future.


Your first point makes the rest of it DOA. Not because I think Cincinnati (certainly) and Memphis (not really) could be useful additions, they would be. What is the problem is that like it or not, believe it or not, Texas runs expansion. To add 2 new members, one of them has to be inside Texas and thus a command vote for the Texas Cabal. Looking around in Texas you can find only two arguable choices, Houston and SMU. SMU has never recovered from its dark days and it does not look like they ever will.

Houston. Do we really want to go there to get to 12? Before some get started that this is an anti-Dana concern on my part. It isn't. I think his days would be numbered trying to perform to expectations with Houston in the Big-12 - far worse than his resources at WVU. My problem is that Houston of today has a lot in common with SMU of yesterday. More and more of that is going in all across the college football landscape, but Houston seems to be one of those vanguard schools acting on it like a fully fledged SEC member.

If everyone in the conference voted for Houston and Cincinnati, I think we would go to 12 tomorrow. But, not making the 11th choice either Houston or SMU, makes the whole exercises DOA.

Also to be considered is how this is going to play out for WVU. Texas and their 5 partners will certainly, form a division, it just makes too much sense. The other schools will form the other division. That means Morgantown will not Texas except every 4th year unless they make the CCG. WVU will only see any of those schools from the division, once every fourth year in Morgantown. Is that acceptable? We would play 8 games and suddenly need to find a filler for that current 9th conference game. That usually has a price tag. So another loss, even if it is a rent-a-win. It would be a way to Pitt or VT permanently however, provided either of those institutions thought it was a good idea.
 

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SMU is 8-0 this year.

Well, yes. That is great for them this year, but as an institution their program - not their team - has yet to recover. They have a long way to go to add endurance to their program. WVU is a far more established program and we are dealing with the same issue this year. It takes very little to knock a school down the list and it is a lot of work, money and time to move up. SMU has struck gold this year, and they might do ok next year, but over the longer term, they are not all that - for now.
 

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@doneagain , Or you could go with the nuclear option and go to 12 teams, preferably other than Cincy and Memphis, and stay with the no division premise and the round robin. Yes, play 11 conference games and have every B12 team open at home with a patsy before starting conference play. Make the B12 the absolute toughest conference in cfb.
 

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Hell will freeze over before the Big 12 adds Cincy or Memphis. The Big 12 is staying as is for the forseeeable future.

2025 is when the "grants of rights" expires and when something might happen.

WVU needs to start scheduling more local past rivals and in fact that's exactly what is coming up in the next few years.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/west-virginia/
 

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1. Nothing will happen until the GOR expire.
2. Where will Texas be playing in 2026?
3. Where will Oklahoma be playing in 2026?
4. Who will follow the two schools in points 2 & 3?

In six years the whole landscape of college athletes will change. That may be when the Blue bloods separates to form their own division and leave the TCU, WVU, K State, etc far behind. But in football only.

Just something else to consider.
 

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@doneagain that my friend is one long bit of info to read.

I personally don’t think Oklahoma is getting in. This playoff, and it’s NOT a playoff, has nothing to do with the best 4 schools. It is espn getting the best 4 schools for TV which is for ratings cause they massively overpaid for this. Year 1 showed that with TCU and Baylor BOTH dropping out of the top 4 despite winning in the final week before the final ranking. And a weekly ranking/selection show is the most ratings grabbing attention ***** thing I have ever seen. Imagine IF the NCAA basketball committee did that with 68 schools throughout the last month plus of the season-haha. I could see Joe Lunardi saying how this committee has NM School of Chiropractic Teaching at 69 is something I can’t fathom when they have ITT Technology and Religious Institute in at 64.

Btw The B1G has been shut out twice since going to FOX. You think that’s an accident?

And it’s NOT a playoff. It’s a committee decision, not much if actually better than what was there before with the BCS/BCA/BA. And the reason for the committee is to protect and keep in existence the STUPID 40+ Bowl Games of which 30 are not watched or attended. ESPN broadcasts 90% of these empty to half empty stadium games.

If they want a playoff, go to 16 teams like every other division in the NCAA. Yeah 2 Division 1-aa and 2 Division Iii schools play 15 games. It could happen. Make Conference champs automatic. I bet this super conference stuff would go away real quick. At large births are given by a numerical system for wins and losses like in the basketball RPI.

First Round games are home games to the highest 8 seeds. Seeding is based on RPI and Conference Champs. It would make more sense than what we have now.

It won’t happen in our lifetime unless these Bowl games start losing money whoch I’m helping at that every season now by not going to anymore. I instead go to two road games which are a better value and more fun.
 
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Correct. Current system is not a playoff. It is, like current conferences, made for tv money grab. Other divisions have it tight. Just another reason rhat college football...except for the few...is fading.
 
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1. Nothing will happen until the GOR expire.
2. Where will Texas be playing in 2026?
3. Where will Oklahoma be playing in 2026?
4. Who will follow the two schools in points 2 & 3?

In six years the whole landscape of college athletes will change. That may be when the Blue bloods separates to form their own division and leave the TCU, WVU, K State, etc far behind. But in football only.

Just something else to consider.

If OU and Texas want to remain relevant they will stay where they're at. Texas will go independent before giving up their LHN.

But if a new division of teams break away from NCAA then yes Big 12 is done for. I predict new form of College football will have 32 teams. Notre Dame will have to join a conference if they want in that party.
 

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I know this would never fly but I want to throw it out there.

Eliminate the conferences all-together. Schools get to keep all the money including any TV rights they can negotiate.

Divide into regions and/or subregions.

Make it a 10 game schedule - 5 home, 5 away.

Allow everyone to become independent and play who they want. That way teams could schedule games with schools near them that could draw interest and fill stadiums while simultaneously allowing a team to schedule a home and home with other schools that would bring curiosity.

Allow the winners of the regions to play in a playoff until a national champion is crowned.