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18IsTheMan

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This is apparently the latest.

What a debacle. I know we aren't gonna be a draw for a P4 coordinator, but there are LOTS of OCs out there at smaller programs in G5 and FCS. We can compensate very competitively.
 

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This is apparently the latest.

What a debacle. I know we aren't gonna be a draw for a P4 coordinator, but there are LOTS of OCs out there at smaller programs in G5 and FCS. We can compensate very competitively.
Word gets around college coaching ranks. There is no respect for Beamer AND, it is known that Beamer is a short-timer, very likely fired next season. What sailor wants to get on a sinking ship?
 

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Word gets around college coaching ranks. There is no respect for Beamer AND, it is known that Beamer is a short-timer, very likely fired next season. What sailor wants to get on a sinking ship?
Same could be said about Paris and our Baseball coach.
Like I said previously I dont believe a AD can replace all 3 in a calendar year.
 
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18IsTheMan

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Word gets around college coaching ranks. There is no respect for Beamer AND, it is known that Beamer is a short-timer, very likely fired next season. What sailor wants to get on a sinking ship?
I hope Donati knows what he's doing. Others have stated on here that Donati is obviously smart and has a plan.

I really didn't think it would be that hard for us to snag an OC from a smaller program given that we are in the SEC and can pay competitively.

Is there a perception that OCs are failing here because of how Beamer wants things to run or that he meddles in the offense too much?
 

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I hope Donati knows what he's doing. Others have stated on here that Donati is obviously smart and has a plan.

I really didn't think it would be that hard for us to snag an OC from a smaller program given that we are in the SEC and can pay competitively.

Is there a perception that OCs are failing here because of how Beamer wants things to run or that he meddles in the offense too much?
Would not shock me to see Furrey promoted.
 

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If Furrey is promoted to OC, why did it take Beamer so long to fire Shula? Whoever Beamer hires, including Furrey, will be presented as a "great" hire. If Beamer had the "right" man on staff all season and didn't promote him earlier, that's a bad look for Beamer.
 
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Just skimming his bio on the Navy football page, he seems interesting - Sounds loads better than what we currently have.
I don't think he'd be anyone's top pick, but, yes, a sure improvement over Furrey.

We're not getting our top pick...whoever that may be. We couldn't even snag ECU's OC.
 
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Would not shock me to see Furrey promoted.
I said he would over 3 weeks ago and was told I was a fool ,basically! That’s Beamer’s
way and has been since he got here! He wants someone he can control that won’t
overshadow him, I believe he has a major complex about his ability to coach pee-wee
ball, much less SEC ball!
He is a good recruiter and a used-car salesman,…..but is a pitiful HC!
 

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I said he would over 3 weeks ago and was told I was a fool ,basically! That’s Beamer’s
way and has been since he got here! He wants someone he can control that won’t
overshadow him, I believe he has a major complex about his ability to coach pee-wee
ball, much less SEC ball!
He is a good recruiter and a used-car salesman,…..but is a pitiful HC!
As a recruiter, Beamer is on par with Muschamp and no better than Spurrier and Holtz. When he was being pushed to be Head Coach here, we were told he was some sort of super recruiter who would bring in talent like never before seen at Carolina. That argument has NOT come to fruition.
 

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As a recruiter, Beamer is on par with Muschamp and no better than Spurrier and Holtz. When he was being pushed to be Head Coach here, we were told he was some sort of super recruiter who would bring in talent like never before seen at Carolina. That argument has NOT come to fruition.
I'll say his recruiting isn't a liability. We haven't seen a bump, but we also haven't seen a dip. I think we're about where we always have been recruiting-wise: Mid-teens to low 20s nationally, bottom half of the SEC.

The 20th ranked recruiting class nationally sounds pretty good, until you realize you play conference games against 5 or 6 teams who are annually higher.
 
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I'll say his recruiting isn't a liability. I think we're about where we always have been recruiting-wise: Mid-teens to low 20s nationally, bottom half of the SEC.

The 20th ranked recruiting class nationally sounds pretty good, until you realize you play conference games against 5 or 6 teams who are annually higher.
We are currently 9th in the 16-team SEC. 4 of the 7 we are currently ahead of are in the midst of Head Coaching changes. That looks pitiful.
 

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This is apparently the latest.

What a debacle. I know we aren't gonna be a draw for a P4 coordinator, but there are LOTS of OCs out there at smaller programs in G5 and FCS. We can compensate very competitively.
Shane's uncertain job status has to factor in too
 

18IsTheMan

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Shane's uncertain job status has to factor in too
More than I thought, to be honest. I knew it would be a deterrent, but I thought we could fairly easily get a G5 OC who would relish the chance to work in the SEC for a very competitive salary.
 

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I don't think he'd be anyone's top pick, but, yes, a sure improvement over Furrey.
C'mon dude. You don't know that. Furrey was thrown into a bad situation. It's not even his playbook or schemes.
In no way would I imply Furrey is the answer, but no one can say he isn't based upon this past season. No one knows.
Any OC will need time to install their "system" & get the right pieces in place.
 
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18IsTheMan

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C'mon dude. You don't know that. Furrey was thrown into a bad situation. It's not even his playbook or schemes.
In no way would I imply Furrey is the answer, but no one can say he isn't based upon this past season. No one knows.
Any OC will need time to install their "system" & get the right pieces in place.
Our situation is such we need someone who has actually run an offense somewhere besides Limestone. Shane doesn't have the benefit of bringing on OC who has a learning curve.
 
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More than I thought, to be honest. I knew it would be a deterrent, but I thought we could fairly easily get a G5 OC who would relish the chance to work in the SEC for a very competitive salary.
I have thought the same, even if it's a one year stop. Have a good family friend who is beginning his journey into coaching and intends to be a college coach. He knows frequent moving is coming his way and accepts it. Given that is part of the job I would have thought that Beamer could find someone from the lower ranks who fits the bill. Granted, we have no idea what is actually happening. So for comparison's sake, it doesn't look good that with so many HC vacancies everyone is filling them up rather quickly save for Penn St. That may mean nothing at all for SC, but if its a fair comparison it doesn't bode well.
 

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Just skimming his bio on the Navy football page, he seems interesting - Sounds loads better than what we currently have.
I've been saying he has a track record of turning offenses around and COY Awards and making programs winners.
His background is similar to Connor Shaw's, GA HS coach's son and immersed in football all his life.
I can see him coming back south if offered.
 

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As a recruiter, Beamer is on par with Muschamp and no better than Spurrier and Holtz. When he was being pushed to be Head Coach here, we were told he was some sort of super recruiter who would bring in talent like never before seen at Carolina. That argument has NOT come to fruition.
And he had a network of coaches wanting to come here
 
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As a recruiter, Beamer is on par with Muschamp and no better than Spurrier and Holtz. When he was being pushed to be Head Coach here, we were told he was some sort of super recruiter who would bring in talent like never before seen at Carolina. That argument has NOT come to fruition.
Definitely not, but in his defense, NIL and the portal have screwed the mid and lower tier teams, we just don't have the NIL money to spend against many that we recruit against. Sad.
 

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C'mon dude. You don't know that. Furrey was thrown into a bad situation. It's not even his playbook or schemes.
In no way would I imply Furrey is the answer, but no one can say he isn't based upon this past season. No one knows.
Any OC will need time to install their "system" & get the right pieces in place.
Might not be his system, but when you have it 3rd and 3 in the 4th quarter, with time running down, and you throw it downfield 20 yards it tells me a lot.
 

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Not sure why so many get so worked up over being slightly "lower ranked" in the recruiting rankings. I'd be more concerned about addressing the needs of the team and finding the right players for the system and organization than what some "recruiting analyst" thinks of them (they're typically less accurate than your beloved weatherman).

Gary Patterson never had a top 20 recruiting class at TCU (often ranked from the 40s to the 80s) yet routinely had Top 10 teams. Maybe development and fit are more important than winning an imginary recruiting title?
 

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Gary Patterson never had a top 20 recruiting class at TCU (often ranked from the 40s to the 80s) yet routinely had Top 10 teams. Maybe development and fit are more important than winning an imginary recruiting title?
South Carolina is an example of this. Does anyone disagree that the 2 best Head Coaches we have ever had are Steve Spurrier and Joe Morrison? Those 2 coaches were not considered to be great recruiters. Their strength was on the coaching end of the job. That's the only type of coach who can succeed here. We are in a small state with a recent national championship rival and within a short drive from other recent national championship opponents. It's tough to recruit here.
 

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I said he would over 3 weeks ago and was told I was a fool ,basically! That’s Beamer’s
way and has been since he got here! He wants someone he can control that won’t
overshadow him, I believe he has a major complex about his ability to coach pee-wee
ball, much less SEC ball!
He is a good recruiter and a used-car salesman,…..but is a pitiful HC!
agree with the majority of this. He's pretty cunning in these hires during his tenure. I've said it on here many times....he keeps picking "lesser thans" that "never have" done much.
I don't buy the whole "the SEC is too tough...OCs want a softer schedule ,etc". We see hot shot OCs get hired all the time in conference. We just don't have the hiring admin/group that is willing to go after one that might upstage the current HC.
 

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Might not be his system, but when you have it 3rd and 3 in the 4th quarter, with time running down, and you throw it downfield 20 yards it tells me a lot.
Tells me that had our qb given our guy a chance it likely would have worked; catch or PI. Remember rattlers throw to Adkins in 2022; changed the game. It was a two down call but the shorts haven’t exactly been gimmes this year or that game; calls are only bad when someone doesn’t execute.
 
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Tells me that had our qb given our guy a chance it likely would have worked; catch or PI. Remember rattlers throw to Adkins in 2022; changed the game. It was a two down call but the shorts haven’t exactly been gimmes this year or that game; calls are only bad when someone doesn’t execute.
I thought it was a two down call as well. I just didn’t like it because 1) we were shoving it down their throats for the first time all game will the read and now you break that momentum, 2) I thought it was a predictable pattern we established Saturday (although it was a terrible throw or a terrible route), and 3) the 4th down play I did not think was a great call (boot against his throwing side on what I assumed was a qb run/pass option even though they were spying him on every play)…just thought the design limited options to make a play.

I’d made them stop the read again on third down. But again I ain’t making the big bucks!
 
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Yeah, I've been told by someone who hear from someone else who was told Decker is the guy. That would be a solid hire, imo.
 
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Names that keep coming up in inner cycles (decide for yourself what that means): Decker, Beck and Wells.

Wells, would definitely be my last choice of the 3. He would meet the minimum basic requirement of "upgrade over Shula" though.
 

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Not sure why so many get so worked up over being slightly "lower ranked" in the recruiting rankings. I'd be more concerned about addressing the needs of the team and finding the right players for the system and organization than what some "recruiting analyst" thinks of them (they're typically less accurate than your beloved weatherman).

Gary Patterson never had a top 20 recruiting class at TCU (often ranked from the 40s to the 80s) yet routinely had Top 10 teams. Maybe development and fit are more important than winning an imginary recruiting title?
Scar almost always finishes ranked above Missouri in recruiting. Working out better on the field for them than us.