Not at all. Joker took a program that was on the upswing and destroyed all of the momentum. IMO he did as much or more damage than probation did.
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Not at all. Joker took a program that was on the upswing and destroyed all of the momentum. IMO he did as much or more damage than probation did.
I'm not comparing the two as coaches but the time it takes at UK. Stoops has to make adjustments as a head coach obviously, not those of us that think the post Joker era was going to be a huge success quickly were mistaken. Next year will be telling of our progress. However, the schedule is brutal.
If we get all 4 and 5 stars, I could coach them. What happened to getting coaches that can coach lesser players up? I have seen coaches that have coached for 20 yrs and never had a losing season. Did they have great talent each and every year? No, they knew how to get the best out of what they had.
Next season is when CMS has to show that he has learned how to be a head coach and he has to show progress. If he doesn't, Mitch has to start making a list of who to go after after if the trend continues and be ready to bite the bullet at the end of 2017. He can't afford to do that now with the microwave move he made to give CMS an extension and a raise too early.
Next season is when CMS has to show that he has learned how to be a head coach and he has to show progress. If he doesn't, Mitch has to start making a list of who to go after after if the trend continues and be ready to bite the bullet at the end of 2017. He can't afford to do that now with the microwave move he made to give CMS an extension and a raise too early.
right, he was killing it so he needed to go and should have been let go earlier. tell me how that's diff than now?? Stoops is doing just as much damage - you might argue even more damage because he's getting Joker results with the better talent he's brought in.
I get this!
Other friggin knowitalls don't!
It may take 5-6 years and several exiting recruiting classes to get out of this.
There is quick fix. Fire the coach, hire a competent one. Look, I get the build the program theme but you're just ignoring red flags from this staff that shows Stoops is way over his head here.
1. Mis mgt of clock
2. Lack of adjustments in game
3. Can't pick or stick with a QB
4. Possibly has lost the locker room
5. Lack of leadership on the team
6. Two straight years of second half collapses.
You just can't ignore this stuff and say lack of depth as an excuse. He'll get a 4th year but unless there are major changes we'll be lucky to win 5 games again not year. What are you going to say if this team is 4-8 next year?
1. Mis mgt of clock
2. Lack of adjustments in game
3. Can't pick or stick with a QB
4. Possibly has lost the locker room
5. Lack of leadership on the team
6. Two straight years of second half collapses.
You just can't ignore this stuff and say lack of depth as an excuse. He'll get a 4th year but unless there are major changes we'll be lucky to win 5 games again not year. What are you going to say if this team is 4-8 next year?
I disagree on the same amount of damage. If, IF, Stoops were to leave it be fired the roster is full of talent. That's the biggest difference.
Fans shouldn't have to look for a quick fix at this point. We've been awful for over half a decade. The long solution should be in full swing right about now and we should be getting better.
Except this program has no solution, plan or leadership to speak of.
Except this program has no solution, plan or leadership to speak of.
True but that was with a University Administration that was not focused on the Football Program. Say what you want about Barnhart, but no one can deny he's trying to give the Football Program everything it needs to be successful. This season is on Stoops & this Staff. Because what else can Barnhart have done to help Stoops out?
With today's social media, fan patience has gotten shorter. I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing, just the reality of the situation. Universities have to respond quicker before there is a organized boycott and they lose significant revenue.
I don't think we're there yet... but you combine the state at which Stoops inherited the program and a huge Internet fan base... I don't think Stoops has 7 yrs if things continue like they are now.
NOT sign him to a 5 year extension, thus tying his own hands if Stoops failed.
We can say plenty about Barney, the fact that he blew his wad faster than Pitino with that ridiculous extension, that he waited 15 years to finally make some improvements to the facilities, that he insulted the fans, that he promoted Joker, hired Stoops...he's useless.
Barnhart didn't wait 15 years before improving the facilities. The University of Kentucky did that. Lee Todd's financial model for UK was to put all available resources into the UK Hospital. UK Athletics would have to wait until the hospital was finished before they would get any Bond potential.
You want to blame Barnhart for the extension, that's fine. But you can't blame him for his bosses not giving him any money to work with until 2013. Btw, look at all the sports facilities upgrades going on now.
*PS - Lee Todd's model worked btw. UK is swimming in money.
Because no athletic department could lose that revenue? Football pays for everything that year. It was also clear that Joker wasn't going to work out at UK.
There are 2 separate pots of money at UK (or every university). Athletic Money and University Money. The University doesn't want to give the Athletic Department money because Athletics should be self sustaining.
But when it comes to facilities, you either need $200 Million of cash laying around (which NO athletic department has) or you have to ask your university for some of their bonding potential (from their respective state government). UK didn't want to give UK Athletics any of their state bonding potential because they needed all they could get for UK Hospital and other academic facilities around the university. You are only allowed so much money from the state, per year.
So it wasn't until UK finished the Hospital and UK sold off all their dorms to a private developer, that enough bonding potential opened up allowing UK Athletics to ask the state if they could borrow some money (bonds) to renovate the stadium. In return, the state asked for a financial plan proving they can pay back the state tax payers 100%... which UK COULD prove by having one of the only profitable athletic departments in the country.
Ticket revenue pays for the yearly athletic budget. Without football fans, the yearly athletic budget would go into the red. Which would hurt UK's credit rating... which would hurt their future bonding potential.
So you see, UK can still be swimming in money... but you still have to balance a budget if you want to build anything in the future.
So you see, it's ok to question Mitch's hires... or his decision to give Stoops a contract extension... but his patience with UK's Administration and making sure everything was in line financially for when his day came, should be commended. No one is 100% correct at their job... but no one is 100% wrong either. Sometimes people are good at some stuff and make mistakes in other areas. So being angry at Barnhart's coaching hires is ok... but refusing to acknowledge he's done OTHER parts of his job well for the Athletic Department is ignorant.
totally wrong - only when faced w no other options did the school have to pony up. most big time programs ADs focus almost solely on raising money. Barnhart is abysmal at this. so the school had to step in when it was clear there was no other way.
It's kind of like hiring a guy to run Apple that sells lots of Apple magazines, Apps, covers for iPhones, tons of other accessories but screws up the IPhone. You would applaud him for his great minor stuff sales but can him for destroying your number one revenue product.
The Billy G fiasco cost us about six million and two miserable years . Joker fiasco about 15 to 30 million depending upon how you count. This one we shall see when season ticket sales are completed next year. Doesn't look good. I think many are refusing to drink the blue Koolaide any longer.
I never mentioned Barnhart's ability (or inability) to connect and raise money from boosters. You are correct, Barnhart isn't the best at connecting with UK's Boosters. Is that something to be concerned about? Possibly... but that wasn't the discussion in this thread. His lack of new facilities was what was being called into question.
If you believe, back in 2006-2012, Mitch should've raised $10 Million - $15 Million for a new recruiting room, you're not crazy to argue that. Mitch had a different philosophy on how the money should be used. He's not always right and it's not illogical to disagree with that philosophy. In fact, in terms of the recruiting room... I would agree with you. Mitch probably should've made THAT a priority simply due to the much smaller cost and immediate necessity.
But when it comes to projects at the magnitude of stadium renovations ($100 Million +) you need more (much more) than athetic booster donations. You need bonds and UK was not going to allow the athletic department (nor any other department) to ask for state bonds until the UK Hospital was completed. That was the university's top priority during the Lee Todd years. He wanted to make sure UK was on a strong financial footing for the foreseeable future. He succeeded at that.
I won't go into how I know this beyond saying that my work, works closely with UK on all facilities.