No way Iran will cheat on the nuke deal...
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If they do, there isn't a single option for us that has been taken off the table.
By doing this deal we enter into it with a coalition, had we backed out of it we would have been on our own.
I'm still waiting to see the better deal that was proposed ... and waiting ... and waiting ... and waiting
By doing this deal we enter into it with a coalition, had we backed out of it we would have been on our own.
I'm still waiting to see the better deal that was proposed ... and waiting ... and waiting ... and waiting
As usual, Whitetail is misinformed or just stupid. Rubio released a plan weeks ago. Since oil prices have tumbled, Iran is desperate. They urgently need this deal. We should have ramped up sanctions, not eliminated them. Iran will get their nuke with the world's Blessing. What a disgrace.
Yes, we always have the option to apologize for US or Israel stealing one of their nukes.
Just because you knew of nothing on the table doesn't mean you take a horrible one. I'll sell you my 2013 Tacoma for $60,000.
My point being that all of those people blustering in congress about how bad this deal is had every opportunity to come up with a better one and none did.
This deal isn't just us.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/joe-manchin-iran-nuclear-deal-israel/2015/07/28/id/659243/
Some people simply don't understand that doing nothing is an option that is perfectly acceptable.
Pave way for Iran to build/buy - option #1 preferred by Obama
Go to war with Iran - Option #2 offered by Obama as a threat
Do nothing - Option #3 maintain status quo and if Iran moves, remove them from game. Israel is going to have to act at some point.
Options one and two suck and we have allowed Iran to take charge and deliver ultimatums. US was once a strong and proud nation.
We've delayed the inevitable, that's all we've done, at a significant cost. In addition, Iran will use that significant cost to cause more chaos in the ME. It's a great deal. :victory:
This president is just so damn naive. It's to be expected though when every liberal I listen to sounds like a 12 year old child.
I know that's a popular talking point, but ... exactly how are we paving the way for Iran to build/buy nuclear weapons?
Uranium
Iran will remove 2/3 of its centrifuges (19,000 to 6,104), which are used to enrich uranium. All of the pipework that connects these centrifuges and allows them to enrich uranium will be dismantled, removed and kept under continuous surveillance by the IAEA.
For a decade Iran will only be able to operate roughly 5,000 centrifuges at Natanz. Iran will not be able to enrich uranium or keep any fissile materials at Fordow for 15 years.
Iran will have to reduce its stockpile of enriched uranium by 98 percent (10,000 kg down to 300 kg). This cap will last for 15 years.
For 15 years, Iran has agreed to not enrich uranium over 3.67 percent.
For 10 years, Iran will only be allowed to use its first generation, IR-1 centrifuges for enrichment purposes. There will also be strict limitations on research and development.
With this deal, Iran’s so-called “breakout timeline” – the amount of time it would take Iran to acquire enough fissile material for one nuclear weapon if Iran breaks it commitments – will be extended from roughly the current 2-3 months, to at least one year during the first decade.
Plutonium
The core of Iran’s heavy water reactor at Arak will be removed and filled with concrete so it can never be used again. The U.S. will be part of the international partnership that will approve the plan to redesign the reactor so that it will not produce weapons grade plutonium.
For the next 15 years, Iran will not be able to build any additional heavy water reactors or accumulate excess heavy water.
Iran will ship out all spent fuel for present and future power and research nuclear reactors for 15 years and has committed to rely on light water for future nuclear reactors.
Inspections
There will be 24/7 monitoring of Iran’s declared nuclear facilities, including Natanz, Fordow, and Arak.
The deal will also require that Iran grant the IAEA access to any suspicious locations within 24 days.
International inspectors will have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain – its uranium mines and mills; its conversion facility; its centrifuge manufacturing and storage facilities; and its other declared nuclear sites – critical elements which will be under watch for 25 years.
Iran has agreed to provide the IAEA with the information necessary to address the possible military dimensions (PMD) of Iran’s past program. Iran will not receive sanctions relief until the IAEA gets the cooperation it needs to complete its investigation into PMD.
Sanctions
Iran must complete its key nuclear steps before it begins to receive sanctions relief beyond the limited relief provided for under the interim deal. The U.S. anticipates that it will take Iran from 6 months to a year to complete these key steps.
Since the President will be using waiver authority to provide relief, the U.S. can quickly reimpose its unilateral sanctions if Iran cheats. Additionally, the U.S. will be keeping in place other unilateral sanctions that relate to non-nuclear issues such as support for terrorism and human rights abuses.
For the first decade of the deal, there will be an automatic snapback of the multilateral sanctions if Iran violates the deal– a snapback that cannot be vetoed by Russia or China. In addition, for years 11-15, the P5+1 has agreed to re-impose sanctions if Iran violates the deal.
This would be the point where you question the validity/credibility of the source.
Based on Iran's history and its support of terrorist organizations, what makes one believe that Iran will keep its word? One cannot assume that the Iranian government will do what it promises. Iran is desperate to obtain nuclear weaponry. Iran is willing to lie to the Great Satan and its allies to give it leeway to develop nuclear weaponry in secret. Iran will then use nuclear weaponry. There is an echo in here - Neville Chamberlain's disastrous agreement with one Adolf Hitler (at least Hitler didn't have a nuclear weapon).
The real reason Iran wanted to make this deal were the sanctions. Any bombs they could come up with would be very primitive compared to what Israel has in numbers and power. Israel most likely has thermonuclear bombs and they literally could wipe Iran off the face of the Earth.
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Who was supposed to propose another deal?
When the GOP gave their opinion of the deal the left called them traitors.
I would think he made the same argument about Obamacare. Where is the better deal that the GOP has, he asks? IMO, GOP does not have to offer an alternative to ever screwball proposal made by the other side. Opie is a proponent of ever suggestion offered by one party will carry the day if an opposing deal is not offered. I hope that never becomes a reality, or we will have more crazy laws on the books than can possibly be obeyed.
In some cases, but not this one. If we continued to do nothing, Iran would continue its bomb program in secret until it had a couple of weapons equal to Fat Man & Little Boy that they could either drop on Tel Aviv or hand over to Hezbollah or the Shiite rebels in Yemen.
Yeah, just leaving them alone and allowing them to develop a nuclear weapon within the year would have been the much wiser course of action.
Then we could take our $19T debt and fund another war in the ME to take away the weapons that we could have prevented them from developing in the first place. Who cares right? I mean our military is just this big nebulous force ... there aren't any real people/families that are impacted by war.
And the deficit? Nobody really cares about that or complains about it daily, do they?
Been off base for a few days, but would have thought someone would have responded. Who is watching them now? Who will watch after treaty? I doubt that you have any inside info that would give us assurance that virtually no one feels we have now. The $19 trillion debt is already spent. We will not be allowed to spend it again. No one bitched about the debt? Really? I and others ***** about the debt daily and the spending that caused it. Obamacare is bitched about daily, and the resulting debt is just beginning. Yes, the debt is a problem. Obvioulsy not for this generation, but those that follow.