Northwest Rankin hires a new coach.
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Considering that the top two alleged candidates were Lance Pogue and Marcus Boyles.
IF they could have gotten Boyles, they definately missed the boat.
IF they could have gotten Boyles, they definately missed the boat.
I'd say it's not an opinion. It's a fact. Not that I'm particularly criticizing them. Back in the day, my high school had a RB who was named MS POTY, and the only coach who ever coached against both him and Marcus Dupree said our guy was the better RB. But he was so freaking stupid, he couldn't even get into college before Prop 48. Not even at USM.
There was a RB named Ducksworth down there who was a beast. However, according to an old teammate of mine, they had to put a blue wristband on one arm, and a red wristband on the other. Then they'd call "red" or "blue", so he'd know which way to run.
Years later, he supposedly was killed by the cops after trying to rob someone.
Years later, he supposedly was killed by the cops after trying to rob someone.
he'd ask the QB which way to run, even though the play call wasn't any more complicated than "lead right" or "lead left." After he left West Jones, he played a year at Tyler, TX JUCO where he made All-American. But he couldn't even cut it there academically, and then wound up at some school in Montana. That was where he got into some kind of trouble with a cop. Cop winds up shooting him, but before he died he got the gun away from the cop and shot him. They both died. I'm still pissed at him for that.
coaches that get kids declared special education for the sole purpose of getting them on the football field without having to worry about district and MHSAA rules regarding academic progress would not do well at a school like Northwest Rankin, a Level 7 STAR school, one of 10 in the state.
If you read the press release from Rankin County, they point out that Hurt won 10 games last year and his team had a 3.25 GPA. That's what got him the job.
If you read the press release from Rankin County, they point out that Hurt won 10 games last year and his team had a 3.25 GPA. That's what got him the job.
WJ had a string of greats in late 70's early 80's. Randy worked in my buddies Chicken houses when I was growing up. I could believe the wristband thing.
Powe was put in special ed around the 6th grade and that was before Boyles got to Wayne County. Don't know about Pogue. All districts have GPA requirements even if they are minimal. The 3.25 GPA was not in the CL article so kudos to Center Hill. WC's was 2.70
One season of success at Center Hill apparently goes a long way. That and a 21-16 record at Clinton.
Marcus Boyles has been successful every he has been and with a overall record of 205-27. He would be successful or off the field at NW Rankin.
One season of success at Center Hill apparently goes a long way. That and a 21-16 record at Clinton.
Marcus Boyles has been successful every he has been and with a overall record of 205-27. He would be successful or off the field at NW Rankin.
I am friends with a good portion of Coach Hurt's staff at Center Hill and have lived through the transformation. The one good year comment is very skewed. He came into a brand new school and started with nothing but 10th graders. Every good up and coming player that could moved to stay at Olive Branch, which I can't blame them for. They were horrible and basically made a good playoff team out of nothing.
Compare that to Pogue. He inherited a team that should never lose and maintained success with a bunch of D1 players. I believe I could be successful with the talent at South Panola. Ya'll are comparing Florida's program with South Alabama's. There is something to say for a coach that can do a lot with a little (See Dan Mullen).
Compare that to Pogue. He inherited a team that should never lose and maintained success with a bunch of D1 players. I believe I could be successful with the talent at South Panola. Ya'll are comparing Florida's program with South Alabama's. There is something to say for a coach that can do a lot with a little (See Dan Mullen).
How is that a knock on Pogue, Boyles, or any other coach? Morons playing football have been around since anybody started playing football. You can bet Hurt has coached some. Have they had some problem players? You bet. A long, long, list awaits that. And yes, they were going to be sitting on the porch waiting on a check anyway, regardless of whether or not they can block or tackle. Everybody has a share. The demographics at Central Hill and NW Rankin are different than those of Batesville and Waynesboro (among many other places). But you can bet your boots and your house cat that there are some at NW Rankin and that they will play. Hurt is not going to sit a guy that can be a play maker.
that kids that are lazy and don't want to go to class are lazy and don't want to go to class, not necessarily special ed. They need their *** beat, or at least chewed, to put the effort in things that matter. Lazy doesn't always equate to stupid or moronic. If a coach gets a kid declared special ed to circumvent the academic requirements, that's sorry in my opinion.
Now, I personally believe that just like it takes drive and discipline to achieve success on the football field, it takes drive and discipline to achieve success academically. Its the same, except, of course, one us more fun, one gets more fame, etc. If someone is a good athlete, there is no reason that they can't be a good student, they just have to work just as hard - and its the same the other way as well.
You blame it on demographics - that's moronic and simply an excuse.
Now, I personally believe that just like it takes drive and discipline to achieve success on the football field, it takes drive and discipline to achieve success academically. Its the same, except, of course, one us more fun, one gets more fame, etc. If someone is a good athlete, there is no reason that they can't be a good student, they just have to work just as hard - and its the same the other way as well.
You blame it on demographics - that's moronic and simply an excuse.
a factor. See JPS vs. Rankin or Madison County schools. You said that Pogue and Boyles put academics on the bottom. I cannot speak about Pogue, but I can about Boyles. He does not put academics at the bottom. You threw out a remark about coaches getting players declared special ed to avoid grade requirements that appeared to include Boyles. I don't disagree that a lot of coach's do that. Nor do I disagree that a lazy player is not necessarily special ed and yes he needs to be pushed into doing well in school. Just don't throw a blanket over a number of coaches and act like the Hurt hire is all about the moral high ground of education. Patdog said it was a decent hire, not a great one and he is right.
And I am not be a moron. I scored 10 points on the English portion of my ACT...................
And I am not be a moron. I scored 10 points on the English portion of my ACT...................
we are quick to accept it.
I'm not convinced that you can't go down to JPS, take the laziest, dumbest offensive lineman you can find, put him in a good school and if he works as hard on his academics as he does on the field, he will be a success in the classroom. I've seen it happen like this too many times, usually goes like this.
Student achieves highly in athletics, cheerleading, etc.
Student is lazy, doesn't put any effort into work.
Lazy attitude leads to poor grades
Poor grades lead to the threat of being suspended from athletic activity, or possibly failing a class.
Student begins to "cram" for tests, study more to achieve grade to keep them from being suspended or failing.
Student achieves academically at a high level because of commitment and effort, and avoids failing or being suspended from activity.
Student returns to lazy ways.
Repeat every 6-9 weeks. If you don't believe me, ask around. 90 percent of diagnosed learning disabilities are complete hogwash in my opinion. Kids are either lazy, or need a little extra help. There's a big difference between that and having a certified learning disability.
I'm not convinced that you can't go down to JPS, take the laziest, dumbest offensive lineman you can find, put him in a good school and if he works as hard on his academics as he does on the field, he will be a success in the classroom. I've seen it happen like this too many times, usually goes like this.
Student achieves highly in athletics, cheerleading, etc.
Student is lazy, doesn't put any effort into work.
Lazy attitude leads to poor grades
Poor grades lead to the threat of being suspended from athletic activity, or possibly failing a class.
Student begins to "cram" for tests, study more to achieve grade to keep them from being suspended or failing.
Student achieves academically at a high level because of commitment and effort, and avoids failing or being suspended from activity.
Student returns to lazy ways.
Repeat every 6-9 weeks. If you don't believe me, ask around. 90 percent of diagnosed learning disabilities are complete hogwash in my opinion. Kids are either lazy, or need a little extra help. There's a big difference between that and having a certified learning disability.
The original point was that too many kids get labeled "borderline retarded" when they're really just lazy, and that's true. But if a kid has an IQ of 70, it doesn't matter how hard he works, he will never be a good student. He just won't. Just like a kid that weighs 120 lbs and runs a 5.2 40 will never be a good football player, no matter how hard he works at it.
because they put academics at the bottom. Then the rabbit of student effort/ability got jumped. That's how we got here.
You were dead on about the hire. It surprised some other coaches too, not just Boyles and Pogue.
You were dead on about the hire. It surprised some other coaches too, not just Boyles and Pogue.
your input towards the original post, I still disagree. Obviously, if someone is retarded they can't be Einstein with a little work.
a little off topic, but at this point it just amazes me that none of the highschools in the state have come calling for a guy like Rob Morgan (Qb's coach at Starkville High) backed up Madkin in the late 90's. One hell of a football coach</p>
Like I said in another thread, Rankin talent is deluded by having seven high schools plus Pearl High school. Hell Ranking could easily made Puckett, Pelahacie and Brandon one high school. Hell they could have add Mclaurin High school to Brandon. They could have made Richland and Florence into one high school. Madison school district is going to get a little more deluded with the new school being opened. Hell If Ranking school district only had NW Ranking and Brandon high schools, they would be hell on wheels. Rankin school district grows by 500 students a year. I suspect NW Rankin and Brandon will split making another high school one day.
