Not that Hutzler hasn't done a decent job but in a group text...

[dawgstudent]

it was said Hutzler has a contract through 2028. Google agrees. Who signs an assistant to a 5 year contract?

Hutzler, who was hired on December 7, 2023, will make an annual gross salary of $1 million through the 2028 season. Hutzler's salary would put him just outside of the top-50 paid assistant coaches in college football last season, on par with Florida's Sean Spencer and Rob Sale, Auburn's Philip Montgomery and South Carolina's Dowell Loggains.

Tracking coaching salaries: Mississippi State DC Coleman Hutzler to make $1 million through 2027 season

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[patdog]

We’ve given up 140 points in 4 SEC games. Two vs teams with terrible offenses. He’s improved over last year but he still sucks. And we have idiots in the AD & head coach jobs of that contract length is true.

 

[8dog]

We’ve given up 140 points in 4 SEC games. Two vs teams with terrible offenses. He’s improved over last year but he still sucks. And we have idiots in the AD & head coach jobs of that contract length is true.

We have given up 101 in the 4 sec games in regulation. 14 points are OT. 14 of TN points were defensive scores. And 11 of TX points were on ST.

 

[patdog]

In the Ot touchdowns the defense was like the parting of the Red Sea. As bad as our ot offense has been, the ot defense is just as bad. And 7 of TX points were in special teams.

 

[basedawg]

We’ve given up 140 points in 4 SEC games. Two vs teams with terrible offenses. He’s improved over last year but he still sucks. And we have idiots in the AD & head coach jobs of that contract length is true.

I don't think he has done a bad job patdog, lack of depth is a killer especially in the fourth quarter. Our defense has really stepped up against some really good offenses. We lost our best defensive guy up front. We are still a work in progress, if we improve this much next year, look out, LOL!

 

[8dog]

In the Ot touchdowns the defense was like the parting of the Red Sea. As bad as our ot offense has been, the ot defense is just as bad. And 7 of TX points were in special teams.

11. We committed a penalty on a FG that turned 3 into 7. Not to mention giving them a 37 yd drive bc we went for it on fourth. Defense hasn’t closed. Thats my biggest problem.

 

[bulldoghair]

We’ve given up 140 points in 4 SEC games. Two vs teams with terrible offenses. He’s improved over last year but he still sucks. And we have idiots in the AD & head coach jobs of that contract length is true.

He doesn’t suck. He’s just fine as I said all last year. He got a few better players this year. You can’t have a shut down defense if you can’t keep the ball out of the opponent’s hands. Not to mention at the same time putting them back out on field in high leverage situations because of failed 4th downs. At best, when the hurry up gimmick is working, you’re lucky and have shootouts. Hutzler is good, but his head coach doesn’t play complementary football at all whatsoever. A defense can be good and effective, but it is always vulnerable to being worn down by an offense that is not able to control the game or support its defensive counterparts.

 

[Maroon13]

A school that can't get anyone else to take the job.

Lebby was a brand new coach. With no staff. States football program was in terrible shape when Lebby and then Hutzler were hired.

I think State fans greatly over estimate the attractiveness of State football jobs.

 

[DT4248]

So in other words.

We're averaging giving up 25 points a sec game in regulation by just the defense itself. On top of the other teams losing a possession by getting a freebie TD per game. And we haven't stopped anyone in OT. Against two "good" offenses and two "bad" offenses based on perception.

I really hope the buyout/guarantee is only for a single year on this dude cause there's a reality where Lebby can't retain him.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

A school that can't get anyone else to take the job.

Lebby was a brand new coach. With no staff. States football program was in terrible shape when Lebby and then Hutzler were hired.

I think State fans greatly over estimate the attractiveness of State football jobs.

Yeah, and I'll say our fan support is the wrong kind of billboard to get that turned atound. When it comes to vehicle engines, what does a wet belt mean? And then you get to look forward to playing a top five difficulty schedule in the country every year with that lack of fan support.

And being that Lebby was brand new in the head coaching scene you had a lack of quality coordinators will to chance their career. We have one of the worst offensive line coaches in the nation to go with all that because nobody wants to work for Lebbyy.

 

[Podgy]

We’ve given up 140 points in 4 SEC games. Two vs teams with terrible offenses. He’s improved over last year but he still sucks. And we have idiots in the AD & head coach jobs of that contract length is true.

We had to give him that nice contract. We might have lost him to UL-Monroe or Arkansas State.

 

[POTUS]

The defense has improved. There was only one way to go really. 2024 defense was the worst I've seen in my time watching us play football. With some more depth, I bet we'd improve even more.

My question is, how does a DC have a 5 year contract when the limit is 4 for HCs?

 

[ETK99]

He doesn't "officially" have 5 yr contract but the extra yr can be done privately. State only allows 4 years. Hutz is doing a good job, so why worry about it?

 

[ckDOG]

A school that can't get anyone else to take the job.

Lebby was a brand new coach. With no staff. States football program was in terrible shape when Lebby and then Hutzler were hired.

I think State fans greatly over estimate the attractiveness of State football jobs.

This. I don't think we're stuck with the perception forever by any means but an untimely passing of Leach and poor/negligent University leadership to get through it put us at rock bottom. How long did we go without an AD? We pressed pause on football and paid the price.

That said, I do see a glimmer of hope and potential with this staff but watching them learn to win on the job is very very frustrating.

 

[bulldoghair]

That said, I do see a glimmer of hope and potential with this staff but watching them learn to win on the job is very very frustrating.

Lebby runs his offense and makes overall decisions like a little kid playing Madden. I recommend neither. All you will ever see is are glimmers of hope as you say. Fools gold.

 

[22yardpunt]

What’s the problem? It’s not like we are blowing 17 point leads and opponents are scoring like 24 points in the fourth quarter or anything like that.

 

[The Peeper]

In the Ot touchdowns the defense was like the parting of the Red Sea. As bad as our ot offense has been, the ot defense is just as bad. And 7 of TX points were in special teams.

And in the OTs, we've scored ZERO.

We've scored 31 in the 2nd half of both of those OT games while giving up 52. For kicks and grins throw in the 2nd half of the AZ St game, we were outscored 17-7 there, that's outscored 69-38 in the 2nd half of those 3 games. Apparently teams are adjusting to our defense in the 2nd half and we are not adjusting to what they are doing

 

[bddawg]

He doesn't "officially" have 5 yr contract but the extra yr can be done privately. State only allows 4 years. Hutz is doing a good job, so why worry about it?

Yes he does. Not the small amount from the state. But the part from the bdc/foundation was 5 years. As was lebby's.

 

[johnson86-1]

A school that can't get anyone else to take the job.

Lebby was a brand new coach. With no staff. States football program was in terrible shape when Lebby and then Hutzler were hired.

I think State fans greatly over estimate the attractiveness of State football jobs.

This is just false. We have two analysts that are more qualified on paper to be DC than Hutzler. And they came after a year of grace period had already been burned and the long term prospects looked even worse. So we definitely could have gotten better candidates to be DC last year.

I've got no problem with the current defensive staff. I dont' know how much improvement is due to better players versus Hutzler getting a year of on the job training versus having to experienced and well qualified coaches to help him, but despite how bad that 4th quarter looked, I think we generally still have depth problems and it doesn't seem to be coaching problems.

But regardless of how we look now, we ended up with Hutzler as a DC and no real experience to help a first time head coach and first time defensive coordinator because of poor decisions by Lebby and incompetence at the AD position. Being able to fix it this year doesn't change the fact that it was a terrible process last year.

 

[patdog]

Yes he does. Not the small amount from the state. But the part from the bdc/foundation was 5 years. As was lebby's.

We are literally the dumbest athletic dept in the NCAA. At least when it comes to football.

 

[columbiadawg2]

When you have an opportunity to lock up Coleman Hutzler you do it, no questions asked

 

[Maroon13]

This is just false. We have two analysts that are more qualified on paper to be DC than Hutzler. And they came after a year of grace period had already been burned and the long term prospects looked even worse. So we definitely could have gotten better candidates to be DC last year.

I've got no problem with the current defensive staff. I dont' know how much improvement is due to better players versus Hutzler getting a year of on the job training versus having to experienced and well qualified coaches to help him, but despite how bad that 4th quarter looked, I think we generally still have depth problems and it doesn't seem to be coaching problems.

But regardless of how we look now, we ended up with Hutzler as a DC and no real experience to help a first time head coach and first time defensive coordinator because of poor decisions by Lebby and incompetence at the AD position. Being able to fix it this year doesn't change the fact that it was a terrible process last year.

I should have added In my original post, "At the time we hired him".

Because the program was an absolute train wreck at that time. Also I was told by someone who knows, it is true that we had to beg Hutz to take the job because that who was left with any interest in the job in December of 2023.

Now I agree hiring lebby over Odom as HC is incompetence at the AD position.

 

[ckDOG]

Lebby runs his offense and makes overall decisions like a little kid playing Madden. I recommend neither. All you will ever see is are glimmers of hope as you say. Fools gold.

Indeed. And it results in periods of high execution followed up with brain farts. I'm not saying he's coaching at a high level. I'm only saying that he's still green and I would expect that he improves. Am I happy we went with the route of having to be patient with a guy learning on the job? No. But it doesn't mean potential isn't there either. Safe money says bust but I don't think he's near a write off yet. If we keep busting at QB portal and OL talent, I'm done. If you can't excel at your bread and butter the whole thing will fail.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

He doesn’t suck. He’s just fine as I said all last year. He got a few better players this year. You can’t have a shut down defense if you can’t keep the ball out of the opponent’s hands. Not to mention at the same time putting them back out on field in high leverage situations because of failed 4th downs. At best, when the hurry up gimmick is working, you’re lucky and have shootouts. Hutzler is good, but his head coach doesn’t play complementary football at all whatsoever. A defense can be good and effective, but it is always vulnerable to being worn down by an offense that is not able to control the game or support its defensive counterparts.

That defense got the roughing the passer that started that whole snowball rolling or we win that game

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Lebby runs his offense and makes overall decisions like a little kid playing Madden. I recommend neither. All you will ever see is are glimmers of hope as you say. Fools gold.

It's killing you his offense is out producing those ****** Leach offenses lol

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

I think a lot of bad deals had to be made thanks to our idiot president hiring arnett and taking the interim tag off. Everyone should got hired under arnett minus like two coaches all got canned in one season so I think we had to offer dumb contracts that first year under Lebby thanks to that for assurances. Which is probably why most will be retained through next year even if we go 0-16 in conference

 

[bulldoghair]

It's killing you his offense is out producing those ****** Leach offenses lol

0-12 conference record.

It’s called complimentary football and situational awareness, that evidently neither you or Lebby have.

 

[johnson86-1]

I should have added In my original post, "At the time we hired him".

Because the program was an absolute train wreck at that time. Also I was told by someone who knows, it is true that we had to beg Hutz to take the job because that who was left with any interest in the job in December of 2023.

Now I agree hiring lebby over Odom as HC is incompetence at the AD position.

We didn't look any better when we hired Rhoads and Macintyre. We still looked like a dumpster fire, but a dumpster fire that had made another bad hire that was probably going to be fired in two years if not one. Macintyre wasn't available when we hired Hutzler but Rhoads was. So it's just asinine to say we couldn't get anybody to take the job when we were able to get analysts within a year more qualified on paper than what we ended up with. If we could fine a candidate at Gulf Shores high school that was more qualified on paper than the guy we hired, I find it hard to believe there weren't a dozen (if not dozens) of other coaches out there with at least experience as a defensive coordinator that would have been reasonable candidates. We just had an inexperienced AD who did not learn from the mistakes that he was having to clean up, and he hired a first time head coach without a reasonable plan for the staff.

 

[ronpolk]

I think all of you guys are going way overboard with this “improvement”…. Lebby and company was such dog **** last year that you guys are watching the slightly less dog **** this year and acting like they are good. They are still dog ****.

Texas on offense has had total yards of 175 (Kentucky), 302 (Oklahoma), 341 (Florida), 340 (Utep) and 336 (Ohio state). Texas had 445 against us.

Florida has had offense of 319 (A&M), 457 (Texas), 141 (Miami), 366 (lsU) and 355 (south Florida). They had 452 against us.

The only really good team we have played this was A&M and that was an *** kicking. A&M had 479 yards of offense to our 219.

I’m just amazed you guys continue to buy into this huge improvement. Our schedule so far has been fairly favorable and we’ve messed it up.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

A school that can't get anyone else to take the job.

Lebby was a brand new coach. With no staff. States football program was in terrible shape when Lebby and then Hutzler were hired.

I think State fans greatly over estimate the attractiveness of State football jobs.

We are just now starting to dig out of the ashes caused by Cohen.

 

[patdog]

That defense got the roughing the passer that started that whole snowball rolling or we win that game

I don't put everything on that one play. But these are the 4th quarter drives Texas had. Mind you, this is one of the worst offenses in the conference:
80 yards TD
75 yards TD
53 yards FG
25 yards TD (OT)

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Yes he does. Not the small amount from the state. But the part from the bdc/foundation was 5 years. As was lebby's.

I wonder how that works, though? Seems like the best they can do is promise to pay him if he is still employed as DC in 2028. If he gets fired, it seems unlikely he could successfully sue for payment on that fifth year.

But I doubt any of these type deals ever go to court to find out. If he gets fired, they will just negotiate a lump sum payment.

 

[bulldoghair]

I don't put everything on that one play. But these are the 4th quarter drives Texas had. Mind you, this is one of the worst offenses in the conference:
80 yards TD
75 yards TD
53 yards FG
25 yards TD (OT)

And here’s our

I don't put everything on that one play. But these are the 4th quarter drives Texas had. Mind you, this is one of the worst offenses in the conference:
80 yards TD
75 yards TD
53 yards FG
25 yards TD (OT)

And here’s our complimentary football offensive drives during that same time in the 4th quarter:

3 plays- 45 seconds
3 plays- 1:30
3 plays- 2:15

 

[The Cooterpoot]

I think all of you guys are going way overboard with this “improvement”…. Lebby and company was such dog **** last year that you guys are watching the slightly less dog **** this year and acting like they are good. They are still dog ****.

Texas on offense has had total yards of 175 (Kentucky), 302 (Oklahoma), 341 (Florida), 340 (Utep) and 336 (Ohio state). Texas had 445 against us.

Florida has had offense of 319 (A&M), 457 (Texas), 141 (Miami), 366 (lsU) and 355 (south Florida). They had 452 against us.

The only really good team we have played this was A&M and that was an *** kicking. A&M had 479 yards of offense to our 219.

I’m just amazed you guys continue to buy into this huge improvement. Our schedule so far has been fairly favorable and we’ve messed it up.

That dogshit was Leach and Arnett talent

 

[patdog]

And here’s our

And here’s our complimentary football offensive drives during that same time in the 4th quarter:

3 plays- 45 seconds
3 plays- 1:30
3 plays- 2:15

Yeah, our offense ain't that great either. And throw in special teams too for the Texas game (though they've generally been pretty good all season), had a FG blocked, committed a penalty that gave TX a 1st down, got stuffed twice on ill-advised kickoff returns, and of course the punt return.

 

[The Peeper]

You can’t have a shut down defense if you can’t keep the ball out of the opponent’s hands.

Sorry, that argument doesn't hold much water. In the TN, TX, and FL losses, our total time of possession was 92:27. Our 3 opponents had it 87:33 i.e. our offense had the ball longer than those 3 teams had it in all 3 games.
The only game where the opponent had the ball more than us was TX A&M, and it wasn't even close on that one. Their T.O.P. was 38:17 to our 21:43 but, that's what happens when on 10 of 12 drives you run 5 plays or less w/ your Lebby/Shapen offense. On 11 out of 12 possessions against the Aggies, our drives were 2:19 or less each.

 

[Seinfeld]

I think all of you guys are going way overboard with this “improvement”…. Lebby and company was such dog **** last year that you guys are watching the slightly less dog **** this year and acting like they are good. They are still dog ****.

Texas on offense has had total yards of 175 (Kentucky), 302 (Oklahoma), 341 (Florida), 340 (Utep) and 336 (Ohio state). Texas had 445 against us.

Florida has had offense of 319 (A&M), 457 (Texas), 141 (Miami), 366 (lsU) and 355 (south Florida). They had 452 against us.

The only really good team we have played this was A&M and that was an *** kicking. A&M had 479 yards of offense to our 219.

I’m just amazed you guys continue to buy into this huge improvement. Our schedule so far has been fairly favorable and we’ve messed it up.

Yeah, one thing that has really annoyed me lately is the mindset that this is year 1 for Lebby, and yet we have to give him credit for significant "improvement".

People can't have it both ways by saying that last year doesn't count since Lebby was handed a dumpster fire, but then come back and talk about the incredible improvement. What is this winless SEC team an improvement from? Leach? Morehead? The Arnett debacle that everyone associated with the program readily admits was an abject disaster?

This team is still just meeting bare minimum expectations for an MSU coach to not be fired, and it may be enough for this year, but it won't be in year 3.

 

[ronpolk]

That dogshit was Leach and Arnett talent

Why is lebby not held responsible for the talent last year? Huff down at USM is about to post a double digit win season and maybe a conference title in year 1…. After taking over a terrible team. You know why he can do that? Because he was a prepared head coach that knew how to come in and hit the ground running. 1.5 from Lebby and he still has no idea what he’s doing.

 

[bulldoghair]

Sorry, that argument doesn't hold much water. In the TN, TX, and FL losses, our total time of possession was 92:27.

Ever heard of situational time of possession or a contextual analysis of time of possession?

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Why is lebby not held responsible for the talent last year? Huff down at USM is about to post a double digit win season and maybe a conference title in year 1…. After taking over a terrible team. You know why he can do that? Because he was a prepared head coach that knew how to come in and hit the ground running. 1.5 from Lebby and he still has no idea what he’s doing.

Huff is in the sunbelt and lost to Lebby badly, brought in own team from Marshall with him too, who happened to win that conference last year. Huff hasn't had to recruit there yet and may never recruit there. Are you really this dumb? Come on man!