Not that we didn't already know that Cotton Mills was dead

LTblows

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Does anyone know what Mark Castleberry has developed?

A development like this isn't easy. I think a firm with a portfolio of urban-type projects should be considered. Castleberry could have done complex developments, but he doesn't have a website, so I'm just going to assume he's a small town guy who's done smaller projects.
 

Maroonbulldog

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He's a developer living in Columbus that has done a lot of different projects- hotels included. There is a better than ever chance now that this gets done
 

mobowhunter27

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He is a pretty good developer from the area. He was the one who transformed the shopping center where UMI's and SportsCenter is at now. He also developed the Comfort Inn right across from campus years ago. He is the developer of the 18th street project in Columbus that has two or three hotels and a Logan's Roadhouse. He is also working with the city of Columbus to develop a boutique hotel near its downtown area. He has alot of experience, and he always seems to do a top-notch job. I am actually excited to hear he is getting in on the project because he has a history of actually doing projects and getting them finished on time. Hopefully we'll see some footsteps moving forward with this project now.
 

Maroonbulldog

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He developed the building the COlumbus Visitors bureau is in along with the Renasant Wealth MAnagement/ Mortgage division where I personally work. This is mixed with several condo units on the second floor as well. But is a top notch building. He also has done numerous projects in Tennessee and in Columbus, the strip
Mall were McAllisters/ Dunkin Donuts is. If I'm not mistaken he may also be involved with several hotels.
The guy knows what he is doing
 

Moonlight Graham

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I want it to get done buuut I want it to be done right.

Here's my rant: This is HUGE for the university and city and could make Russell St a destination point. The big opportunity not being taken advantage of with the current master plan is bringing building fronts up to the street to create a main st type feel. It's the main entrance to campus and walking distance from the football stadium but it's dangerous as hell for a pedestrian to cross that HWY 12 right now. Bars/restaurants/retail on bottom floor condo units above would transform the area not to mention the impact that the EE Cooley building being remodeled into a conference center would have for the area. I just hope it's not a huge parking lot with a couple of apt buildings and restaurants. I think the main priority now should be to just get the conference center completed first.

These are renderings of recommendations by Placemakers inc a few years ago.





 

LTblows

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This is the truth. There's a huge opportunity to make a fantastic place that can help change perceptions of Starkville, but it needs to be done right.
 

vandaldawg

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I approve this message. And further more needs to be built with innovative sustainable practices. Not just shooting for LEED Silver, etc, but rain/stormwater capture and treatment, energy efficiency as well as production. And so on and so on. Incentives for home-grown restaurants and businesses need to be developed for leased space so it's not like an Atlantic Station in Atlanta, where there are so many good ideas, but it ends up looking like any other **** mall, just outside. Do this. Do it right. Watch it flourish.
 

EAVdog

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Renovating the Cotton Mill Bldg itself will make it nicer than Atlantic Station.

But the rest of Residential Portion will be just like Atlantic Station. At least from the last renderings I saw. It'll be 4-5 story Type 3B construction with ample parking, and a little street-life feel to it with Sidewalks and such. I think the best we can hope for is something more along the lines of the Town Brookhaven development by Sembler. Ignore the Costco since there won't be any big box in the Cotton Mills project. http://townbrookhaven.net/gallery/ (some pics). Sembler also did Edgewood Station which is not too bad, it's mainly commercial with some big box anchor stores. But it's about the best I've seen for an in-town development with a Target, Lowes, Best Buy and Kroger.
The project could get LEED silver in it's sleep with re-use of the old building but that's not saying much. However you won't get anything higher than that if they even go that route. Not that it really matters at that level. With the site, the adaptive re-use, and following the current building/energy codes it'll be the equivalent without the paperwork.
I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer here but nobody is going to give a developer financing to go the extra mile for Sustainability right now. The budget/scope will probably be cut as it is. But that's the problem with the economy right now. No matter what people say Capital is not flowing even for projects that are almost certain no-brainers.
Maybe the best solution would be to phase the project to focus on the commercial portion/adaptive reuse portion first. That's a pretty signifiant chunk of the project. But they may be relying on the residential portion to feed the retail, although 20k college students next door is a good target to have in your backpocket. Either way they'd have to just about try to screw up this project. I just hope they realize what they have and that they can demand a higher than market rate for rents and design/build to that level. If so it'll be alright in the end.
 

Xenomorph

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That bottom drawing...

...is as bout as likely to become reality as the fan-made renderings of DWS seating 100K.
 

vandaldawg

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EAV, I hear you that Town Brookhaven might be the best we can hope for, but I would hope something more like Glenwood Park is possible - higher density, hidden parking, good scale and public spaces. I think my skepticism comes from every other development ever done in Starkville - outside of what Dan Camp has done, of course. I mean, there is a history of crap that you can't ignore. I agree, in a rational world you are right - they'd just about have to try to screw this up - but my fear is...they will. People in the know need to keep up the pressure to ensure this work is done intelligently.

Edgewood Station is indeed not bad. There is a lot to like there, but they blew it on the interior. They should have worked to find more parking in the deck and underground, and used the center portion as an anchor with maybe some public space or some time of plaza/square. The interior lot is a nightmare, and it almost ruins the town center feel they have created with the other "streets". Interweaving he big box with a more human scale mixed use feel was successful, but they dropped the ball on that main interior portion.

And big-picture thinking needs to be in play here. The Russell Street connection to downtown along with the adjacency to the Cotton District is huge. That needs to be focused on density, mixes of uses and connectivity with the existing nodes. On top of that, there is an AMAZING amount of raw space available in the downtown core waiting for money and good ideas. Downtown needs to expand south from Mainstreet, and move from JUST a main street strip to a true core. Changing the law from disallowing bars from within a certain small amount of linear feet from a church would greatly help that, I think.
 

EAVdog

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Oh yeah I agree an all acounts. For Starkville everything from Maxwell Street in from Downtown to 82 should be considered part of the core. Even old 25/Veterans Mem should be developed into a Boulevard with street trees and walkability. All the dead strip malls should be turned into urban density living. It'll happen eventually, the land is too valuable to sit with decaying buildings and parking. But I think the University will need to get closer to 30k before we see that type of developed density.
The way the Edgewood Center faces the street is really the best part about it. The Caroline Street Commerical is alright, but overall it's a nice project in the sense that the worst part is tucked away. We always park in the underground parking but it's never utilized. Not sure why. We won't see a Glennwood Park type Residential model. Perhaps the high density blocks along Glennwood Avenue maybe, I doubt any townhome type units are included. These buildings are much more like SoNo or whatever it is right across from Glennwood.
I take it you are a fellow Atl/Sarc/Dog?
 

vandaldawg

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Indeed I am. Since '04. I'd be more active with the Atlanta alumni, but they do everything OTP.
 

johnson86-1

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Why would you load a difficult project down with "sustainable" practices?

I approve this message. And further more needs to be built with innovative sustainable practices. Not just shooting for LEED Silver, etc, but rain/stormwater capture and treatment, energy efficiency as well as production. And so on and so on. Incentives for home-grown restaurants and businesses need to be developed for leased space so it's not like an Atlantic Station in Atlanta, where there are so many good ideas, but it ends up looking like any other **** mall, just outside. Do this. Do it right. Watch it flourish.

Is there a federal program that will give it grant money for using resources inefficiently and adding uneconomic features? I'd be happy if they just completed it and did a good job with it. Let other towns waste money so they can talk about how sustainable their practices are.
 

EAVdog

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If I go OTP during the weekend I consder it a loss.

Been here 7 years, probably about to bail though. Looking to be closer to home. You ever do any stuff with the AIA YAF?
 

dawgpound11

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He is a pretty good developer from the area. He was the one who transformed the shopping center where UMI's and SportsCenter is at now. He also developed the Comfort Inn right across from campus years ago. He is the developer of the 18th street project in Columbus that has two or three hotels and a Logan's Roadhouse. He is also working with the city of Columbus to develop a boutique hotel near its downtown area. He has alot of experience, and he always seems to do a top-notch job. I am actually excited to hear he is getting in on the project because he has a history of actually doing projects and getting them finished on time. Hopefully we'll see some footsteps moving forward with this project now.
You're right about the 18th Avenue project in Columbus, Mark is responsible for that development. He did not, however, transform the shopping center where Umi's and Sportcenter are. Nor did he build the Comfort Inn. He is now associated with Peachtree Hotel Group, who now owns both the Comfort Inn and the Hampton in Starkville, but they didn't build them. On the 18th Avenue project in Columbus they have constructed a Fairfield Inn and Suites and are about to build a Courtyard by Marriott and a Hampton Inn.

I have it on good authority that a Marriott is planned for the Cotton Mill site along with a conference center, office space, at least one restaurant, and a 4 level parking garage. Mark is a good developer, he finishes what he starts, and apparently Peachtree is strong enough to obtain multi-million dollar financing packages. But Mark's attempt at this project will be similar to Nicholas'...a lot rides on tax credits for the Cooley Building, TIF bonds, and CDBG grants. It has a lot of moving parts and is a difficult project.
 

vandaldawg

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Hey EAV…

Been here 7 years, probably about to bail though. Looking to be closer to home. You ever do any stuff with the AIA YAF?

Where's home? Yeah I've been trying to get to New Orleans forever. Easier said than done I'm afraid. I'm a landscape architect, so no AIA, but I work at an A/E firm, so many of my colleagues are active.