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dawgstudent

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what would you do? Would you start Relf to at least let him keep some confidence and have a short leash? Do you start Russell?
 

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what would you do? Would you start Relf to at least let him keep some confidence and have a short leash? Do you start Russell?
 

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what would you do? Would you start Relf to at least let him keep some confidence and have a short leash? Do you start Russell?
 

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what would you do? Would you start Relf to at least let him keep some confidence and have a short leash? Do you start Russell?
 

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There was a stat line shown in the UAB where we were averaging somewhere around 588yds per game thru Auburn, and 244 for the next three games (including LA Tech). I do not know what happened with Relf (he's 17'n some receivers GF, he's high all the time, the OC doesn't like him, he just plain sucks, etc) but the fact is, since Auburn, something on the dynamics or our offense changed. Russell came in and atleast proved that he could make a pass downfield (albeit against UAB, but still, Relf couldn't even do that). Give Russell his chance and if he fails, get ready to be sitting home at Christmas this year.</p>
 

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The only game he has performed decent was Auburn. Since then he hasn't done anything. Its in his head- that just doesn't "get fixed" by keep putting himout there.He's had plenty of opportunities to figure it out. Our best chance to win is with Russell. Now he may go out there and throw 4 picks, but weHAVE to pass first and run second. We are not going to just line up and run the ball. Besides, Relf may be better off the bench anyway. There's a free feelingwhen coming off the bench.</p>
 

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booing if you start Relf and he has a bad series or two. Been through this multiple times before when our starter isn't performing but the coach sticks with him and its always an ugly thing when fans start booing their own starting QB and with all the positives we have with the program right now I don't want to see that. I would rather Russell start with Relf relieving him if necessary to avoid that crap. I know Mullen won't even think about that when making his decision on who starts but that doesn't mean I can't.
 

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"Give Russell his chance and if he fails, get ready to be sitting home at Christmas this year."

If Russell struggles against USC it does not mean we will lose to UTM, KYor OM. We are still in a position to go bowling. I'm not saying we will beat any of those teams, but we havea really good chance.

I just hope that our fans have a realistic approach to this game this weekend, and we don't have a complete meltdown......which is actually what I fully expect to happen.
 

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1) How has Russell practiced this year? Meaning is he looking lights out in practice as well or does the coachng staff just thing he "got hot" during the UAB game. It seems like a simple decision to us but the coaches see these guys ever day.

2) Who do the players show faith in. Have some of them gone to Mullen and specifically requested to start one or the other. Typically one guy has the faith of the locker room more than the other. You have to keep the team's faith intact more than worry about the ego of one of your QB's.
 

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Start Relf ..Play two series, if no touchdowns then insert Russell for the game...Use Relf in short yardage ..For Gods sake try some trips, reverses, misdirections, Staue of Liberty....
 

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1) Les said yesterday in an interview that Russell completed 90% of his passes in practice last week.
2)Did you watch the game Saturday? I ask this because if you did then you wouldn't have even asked that question. Hell even the defense started trying harder when Russell came in.</p>
 

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Russell has earned the opportunity to start as much as Relf as earned the opportunity to hold a clipboard. You can't preach to the team that you're putting the best 11 guys on the field and then sit Russell after the way he has outperformed Relf this year in his limited opportunities.

The team deserves to have the best guy out there from the first snap. I hope they spend the week in practice prepping a game plan for Russell - anything else is a waste of time.
 
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Winning Standard says you pull him quickly if he does not produce.

That is the Operations controlline of thought.
 

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So let it be written, so let it be done!
 

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The only question will be the length of the leash he is given. Which is always tricky. One thing I will say is I don't think we'll be able to wait til halftime this week. If we get down, we can't wait very long.<div>
</div><div>Honestly, based on what I have seen out of Chris attitude-wise the last few weeks, it makes sense to do it this way. He does not at all seem to believe that he has been under-performing and seemed ready postgame on Saturday to check out on the team totally if he wasn't the starter. So, by starting him this week you would give him one last chance to prove himself and he could either rise to the occasion or totally convince everyone on the team that a change is needed, effectively ending the controversy, giving us clearer direction for the rest of the year.</div>
 

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and print the running game on their minds ... this shouldn't take more than the first quarter of play ... then start mixing it up a little
 

stateskills

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He does not at all seem to believe that he has been under-performing and seemed ready postgame on Saturday to check out on the team totally if he wasn't the starter.

If Relf can't see on the film this week that Russell out performed him in every aspect of the game on Saturday, then he's too stupid to start for me.

And, if not starting causes him to check out mentally for the rest of the season, then what does that say about him as a teammate and a competitor?
 

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I'd bet dollars to donuts that Russell will be finishing the game. The QB is the leader of the Offense andeverything feeds off their play. Relf and the Offense managed just 118 yards in the first half against arguably one of the worst defenses in college football. Statistically speaking they are below 110, or in that range. In the second half the Offense had nearly 300 yards, scored 3 touchdowns, and Russell had an astronimcally high passer rating. Which all should be expected while playing UAB.
I think it's pretty obvious that Russell is a more talented passer. Besides being more accurate he seems to make decisions quicker and sees the field better. Relf tends to key on one receiver, maybe look for a checkdown receiver, and then look for a running lane. Defenses can simply bring up a safety to play the qb and stack the box to stop the run. When a defense is able to do that it defeats the entire purpose of the Spread Offense and renders it ineffective. Russell spread the ball around with his arm very wellwhich made UAB back off the line and allowed the running game more breathing room. Everything just worked better, like it's designed to.

My guess is Relf gets to start and plays 2 series before Russell comes in. I just hope our Defense can hold South Carolinaso we don't behind too bad.
 

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its the only choice we have if we want to develop our skill positions. The only people whobenefitfrom Relf are Ballard and Perkins. He cant spread the ball around like Russell can. Plus I think it helps us recruit. See Jason Croom.<div>
</div><div>Relf was a mirage last year. Just bided his time until Russell took his job. He isturningthe ball over this year because he is trying to do to much. Its not all his fault, the coaches are not helpig him with the play calling.</div><div>
</div><div>We are not going to have any come from behind wins with Relf in there. We can grind out a game we get up in but with USC, Bama, Ark and hell even Ole Miss coming up I doubt we have acommandinglead in any of those games.</div>
 

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It is simply because of last year. He has not looked like a good quarterback yet this season. Mullen is lying to his players and recruits about the best man starting if Relf Starts this game. I understand the short leash crap that people are saying, but why? He sucks this year. He's not the best player. Relf couldn't move the ball against UAB and LA Tech. Russell comes in and the chains start moving. It's a no brainer for me. If Relf starts, Mullen is being very hypocritical and worrying about feelings. I hope he does the right thing so I don't lose my voice from booing so much.
 

stateskills

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Why do these people saying Relf should start with a short leash want to spot USC two touchdowns before we get our best QB on the field?

It doesn't make any sense.
 

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The only thing this team has been consistent at this year is getting in a hole early in the game. If we start Relf, we are almost guaranteed to get right back in that hole. With Russell, we have a better chance of getting an early lead.

If we start off in a hole against this SC defense, the game will be over before it really gets going.

Russell is hands down the better QB, so he deserves to play. Starting Relf sends a bad message to your team. But hell, we keep trotting Charles Mitchell out there, so we'll probably see Relf and his shovel, digging us a nice hole.
 

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If Relf plays then he needs to do what he does best which is run hard and hit and pass just enough to keep them honest. He does not need to come in and try to be Tyler Russell and start flinging it. Some of his comments after the UAB game have me worried that he might think a bit highly of his deep passing skills.
 

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What I was trying to say is if Russell struggles,we could see Mullen pull the chain quickly and ride the coat tails of Relf out for the rest of the season. While I and many others appreciate what Relf accomplished for us last year, unfortunately this year, he looks like what he was rated coming out of high school; a 2 star qb with no SEC offers other than us (I'm guessing here but pretty sure that is correct. Anyone else is welcome to look it up) If we play him the whole game against UAB, damn good chance we lose. That makes mebelieve he cannot beat all 3 of the teams you mentioned.

I completely agree that Russell struggling does not mean we will lose those 3;IF Mullen keeps him at qb.</p>
 

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Hanmudog said:
If Relf plays then he needs to do what he does best which is run hard and hit
If Relf starts, it is because of last year. He has not run hard yet this year, much less passed well. He is our fourth best quarterback. Time to move on. So what you are saying he's best at, he's barely done all year. There's a huge misconception that Relf is a great runner.
 

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Will Tyler Russell's passing be able to setup the run? Or should we use Relf's rushing threat to setup the pass?

Also, how many sacks is our O-line going to give up? South Carolina
averages 2.17 sacks per game. The same number as LSU, however, they the
same number of tackles for loss as we do, 35.

Also, SCAR has forced 22 turnovers, by FAR the best number in the SEC and tied for tops in the NCAA. We need a QB who will protect the football.
 

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South Car's one of the best teams in the country against the pass, but they're terrible against the option.
 

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if y'all keep in mind that Relf hasn't run the option or ball well all year. He couldn't do it against UAB. Russell has actually been the best option quarterback this year, and he's the best passer too. Win/win.
 

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I don't know that Russell gives us any better chance to win, but our offense could not get much more stagnant under Relf.

Last year we were 2-4 when Relf averaged less than 12 yards / completion (Houston & Florida were thetwo wins) and 7-0 when averaging better than 12 ypc. This year he's only averaged over 12 ypc once... against Memphis. Simple fact is that we're just not moving the ball well enough. He's thrown 5 INTs compared to 6 all of last year, only 4 TDs (2 since Memphis), and is averaging 2.7 yards per rush.

I had high hopes for Relf this year but the offense is just not getting it done. I said I'd call for a change if we lost to UAB or Kentucky --- and I believe we would have lost to UAB had we not made the change at halftime. It's time for a change. I don't think it's so much that Relf has regressed - I think it's more the fact that our o-line requires different playcalling than last year. Teams had to scheme around stopping our run game last year so that allowed Relf to be somewhat success throwing the ball.Since theAUgamewe haven't had much of a running game so teams no longer have to commit to stopping it first.
 

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Start Russell. Let's not sugarcoat it with Relf, he lost his starting job and he has to earn it back. If he really is a senior leader and a hard worker who just had a couple of bad outings, then he will work his *** off and earn the job back if Russell falters. O-line problems or not, Russell moved the ball and scored points (can't win if you don't score).
 

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Irondawg said:
1) How has Russell practiced this year? Meaning is he looking lights out in practice as well or does the coachng staff just thing he "got hot" during the UAB game. It seems like a simple decision to us but the coaches see these guys ever day.
Brandon Marcello tweetd yesterday quoting Les Koenning saying that Tyler completed 90% of his passes in practice last week.
 

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Relf was great with the option against Auburn. He would press defenders front shoulders, made good decisions, etc. It's been pretty much down hill since then.

I think we're going to see both QBs 60/40 Russell.
 

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No way. Whoever gets it going, if that happens, takes over. 60/40 would be impossible to manage. Thisisn'tPlayStationbuddy.
 

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Russell was hittingncheck down receivers....you know...then ones relf forgets about until they are covered and the primary is open.
 

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and use Relf for an option/wildcat package. Run him in and out of the game like UF did with Tebow his first year. Relf still has value. Russell opens up the pass which opens up the run which opens up the Relf.
 

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Relf is built for a TE. A short yardage guy for first downs. He should know the routes. That would be just another weapon. I'm not saying he play every down, just work him in slowly.
 

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I really do believe that Relf should get about 15-20% of the snaps, but we need to start Russell. Sometimes it doesnt matter who takes the first snap. This time it does. <div>
</div><div>The team felt and experienced everything we did when Russell came in and put in the 5th best single game performance of the year in the NCAA for a QB (by QB rating). If he starts the game, they will go into the huddle believing they can score. If Relf starts, they will go into the huddle wondering if they can score. Like someone else said, we can't afford another slow start. </div><div>
</div><div>HOWEVER, we all have to remember that Russell still has problems. He is still a tick slow on his delivery, he still tries to force to many balls, he still telegraphs some of his passes, his deep ball floats on him a little. I thought that TD to Green was a for-sure pick, but we got lucky on that one - we were also lucky to avoid a pick on a deep throw to Bumphis. That said, I think Relf's problems > Russell's problems at this point, because Relf's problems carry with them the team's perceptions that things might go like they have the last 4 games. Anyone expecting Russell to come in and carve up USC has lost it, we have to hope he can do that, but more importantly, just hope he can do better than Relf would have done. </div><div>
</div><div>I also agree with those that note that USC has struggled against the run (specifically, the option) this year. Our staff will not ignore that. I am afraid they might overthink it and play Relf based solely on the matchup, instead of playing the QB that has produced.</div>
 

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lars larson said:
Mullen is lying to his players and recruits about the best man starting if Relf Starts this game.
 

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make SC try to figure out who we're going to snap it to. Snap it to Russell, let him hand it off to Relf, and then run out in the flat and catch Relf's pass!

BTW - Just Joking

Start Russell, see if he can be effective in the option/run game and then go from there. Either one needs to be on a short leash.</p>
 

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I think he can be very effective off the bench. You can simplify things for hima little, keep him fresh since he's only out there ~15 times a game, and it might help Russell if he's struggling to take a breather & get a view from the sidelines for a few plays.

Plus - if you put him in and a team can't stop the Relf /Ballard attack, you keep him in & run it down their throats.