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[klerushund]

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<div>There's not one solid argument for starting Relf:</div><div>
</div><div>Relf helps Ballard & Perkins. WRONG. The running game's best friend is the threat of passing game. With Relf, that threat is non-existent.</div><div>
</div><div>Relf is a Senior. Who cares? You think Pete Carroll cared that Mitch Mustain & Aaron Corp were upperclassmen? No. He played Matt Barkley because he was the best. That's what winning coaches do. They play the best player. You can't look your team in the face if you don't.</div><div>
</div><div>The offense is geared toward Relf. Hey coach, you're getting paid big bucks. Re-tool the 17ing offense. Tim Tebow isn't walking through that door. Let's run a system that plays to our players strengths, not turn a tight end into a quarterback just so we can run the same stuff you ran at Florida.</div><div>
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[aTotal360]

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<div>TR starts, Ralph is the 6th man.</div><div>You hardly ever see the "pure passer" come off the bench to replace the "Wildcat" guy. I'm not saying itdoesn'thappen though.</div><div>Also, I think Ralph's game works better when the D is not as fresh.</div><div>
</div><div>As long as TR is not throwing pics and the game is close, you keep him in. </div><div>
</div><div>I just hope there isn't some fixed gameplan that ignores the ebb and flow ofthegame. Like Ralph first half and TR second. </div><div>Mullins has made some odd personnel changes this season. Like when Ralph was finally moving down the field against UGA, then he decides to put in mini Favre.</div>

 

[RiverCityDawg]

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Will Tyler Russell's passing be able to setup the run? Or should we use Relf's rushing threat to setup the pass?

The problem is that Relf's passing has been so bad, it doesn't matter if the pass is set up. Besides, we haven't been able to run it with an extra man in the box, so neither the run or the pass works with Relf in.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

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Wow, how quickly people have turned on Relf.<div>
</div><div>I think Russell's play vs terrible non-conference opponents is fools gold. Every time Russell has played vs a good SEC defense it's been a nightmare, and SC probably has as good a combination of pass rush from the front 4 and a good secondary as anyone in the SEC. I'm not saying we shouldn't start Russell, but I don't think it's going to go like a lot of you think it is. I agree that we've brought Russell in the game in unfair situations to him against the LSU's of the world, when we were behind and they knew we were going to throw every down, but still, he hasn't had great results.</div><div>
</div><div>And what is always going to make the spread offense run at its highest level is a QB that can run, and while we aren't doing that as well this year, if we could get back to that and improve in that area, that's still our best bet. </div><div>Relf ran for over 100 yards on Auburn, over 50 vs Memphis, and if you take out the sack yardage vs UGA, Relf on designed runs ran for 59 yards on 11 carries (5.36 ypc) We just aren't calling plays like we did last year, keeping ourselves ahead of the chains like last year, and creating manageable 2nd and 3rd downs. Relf's not going to be good in obvious passing situations, but Relf in a manageable down and distance is better than taking our chances throwing it all over the place and taking sacks with Russell against good defenses.</div><div>
</div><div>At the end of the day though, if we can't run the zone read effectively with Relf and put ourselves ahead of the chains, we have to play Russell, but I'm going to go ahead and call it now that Russell isn't going to get the desired result and people won't know what they want again after this week</div><div>
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[bulldogbaja]

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I know Monday Morning Coaches have a short memory, but it's not like we haven't tried Russell this year before. He's gotten his shot against good teams, and he hasn't done any better than Relf. UAB's secondary is basically the equivalent of Memphis; TR's performance in the second half means nothing. I would also remind the Sixpack Coaches that there was another major change in the second half: we put in Carmon at LT, after he did not play in the first half. That is as big as any QB change.
Relf's performance in the first half WAS pitiful, and he needs to get his head out of his *** and get up to gamespeed. But we need his ability to run and to take hits, heaven knows he's going to take some this weekend.

 

[bulliegolfer]

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Russell has earned the opportunity and the team seems ready for him. Time to start his future now.

 

[cldawg]

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I don't think it is fair to say people have turned on Relf. There is something going on with him. It might be confidence, mental, or physical, but something is going on. Mullen runs a tight lipped ship, so it doesn't get out to us. It looks like they have nursed him along in games since Auburn, hoping it will just click. I've been thinking that Mullen has been trying not to damage his confidence for good. Personally I thought Russell might have been the guy going into the UGA game, but it looks like the knee held him out of it. We could afford to start Relf against UAB and give him a half. Look for Russell to start Saturday because we can't dig a hole.

I really believe that we would have been having this discussion after the La Tech game if Tyler had been healthy. This is not to say that I believe he is going to set the world on fire this season either.

The one play to know something is going on with Relf was the 3rd down play near the goal line in the first half of the UAB game. Watch that sack on replay a few times.

 

[Tds &amp; Beer]

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I know Monday Morning Coaches have a short memory, but it's not like we haven't tried Russell this year before. He's gotten his shot against good teams, and he hasn't done any better than Relf. UAB's secondary is basically the equivalent of Memphis; TR's performance in the second half means nothing. I would also remind the Sixpack Coaches that there was another major change in the second half: we put in Carmon at LT, after he did not play in the first half. That is as big as any QB change.
Relf's performance in the first half WAS pitiful, and he needs to get his head out of his *** and get up to gamespeed. But we need his ability to run and to take hits, heaven knows he's going to take some this weekend.

You can't give me one good reason to start Relf. He has not looked good yet this year. He even looked bad a lot against memphis and Auburn, nomatter what the stats say. He hasn't looked like a legitimate quarterback yet this season. He's not very bright. He makes terrible reads. He's not the same player. If you judge him based on this year alone, there is not one reason for him to be in the game. He takes forever to get the ball out when he throws it. He doesn't even run the option aswell as Russell this year. But let me tell you the real reason Relf should not start. Last year, we had a great offensive line. This year we do not. Last season, people would load the box and we could still run on them which really opened up the passing game for Relf. He cannot be a quarterback if he is having to make difficult throws. That's why he was effective last year. This season, we have a different line and a different team. We cannot just line up and run at people, even UAB. Therefore this season, in order to be successful, we have to be able to pass as often as run. The only way you do that is start Russell. He can actually get the ball out quickly if the defense is blitzing. Relf can't get the ball out of his damn hands fast enough to handle a blitz and if he does, he is inaccurate. Once Russell gets going, it opens up our running game. That's the only way we can run the ball this year. We have to be able to pass in order to run. With Relf in, we can't do either. Russell is a no brainer, and that is not my opinion, it is fact. Relf can't move the ball on UAB. It's time to put our studrecruit QB in. He's ready now. Blee Dat! Let's beat some cock, damnit!

 

[kired]

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but it's not like we haven't tried Russell this year before. He's gotten his shot against good teams, and he hasn't done any better than Relf.

You mean the handful of snaps he played against LSU this year?That's theonly shot he got against good teams this year. Or do you mean last year as a freshman when we threw him to the wolves against Auburn, LSU, and Bama?

I wanted Relfto be successful as much as anybody (heck, I'd love for him to win back the starting job) butthe time has come to make a change.

 

[DAWG61]

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their wouldn't even be a discussion. Russell's performance in the second half was like a rb getting 150yds n 3 tds while Relf was like 15yds on 10 carries. Come on people Russell dominated Relfs performance in the same 17ing game. Russell starts because he WON the game for us. Relf was about to lose it.

 

[FISHDAWG]

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good game against "GOOD" teams as well .... so what would you do ??? continue the status quo ???

 

[bulldogbaja]

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[olemissbydamn]

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have failed.

Doesn't look like Relf is getting to 25 TDs and 2500 yards, Peaches.

 

[ThreePack]

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Russell hit 90% of his passes last week in practice but Mullen started Relf. If Relf stayed in the entire game we probably would have lost the game. <div>
</div><div>I image Russell will not have as good a game this week as last but Relf will probably have as bad a game as last week if he leads the team. Russell can hand the ball off probably better than Relf and can sure pass better than Relf. Relf is not running very good this year which was his only advantage. We have Ballard, Perkins, and Griffin that can run the ball.</div>

 

[slickdawg]

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Crooms say start the secret weapon Dak and let him play one series.

 

[gravedigger]

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They are pretty good against the pass. Notas much against the run. Therefore, we'drun first with Relf, AND obviously use somepass there to keep them fromcrowding the line.

Then, when that stalled, We'd bring inrussell andpass first, butrun someoption and bubble screens to keep them honest. Either way, I'dbring inrussell about the 3rd series to make Ellis Johnson change his defense and work for his money.

This game might be the purest definition of a 2 q b system in my eyes as their defense wants to come after you and confuse the qb.

Lots of short quick hitters in the beginning for Relf, then pounds their ***.

Lots ofquick strike mid range passeswithRussell and then let him qb draw when they back off too quickly.
I't probably wont work as USC is pretty good on defense, but it may be the only way to keep them off balance

In the mean time, we have to get some turnovers early.

The spread is 3 and the over under is 48. We are just a very poor bet right now in that regard.

They can stop our pass, we are having a more diffucult time stopping the run.

We wont keep our end of the scoring up so the play on saturday will be for the under. No matter who you think will win.

 

[drunkernhelldawg]

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Relf has had some bad games and some bad plays, but that doesn't mean his talent has disappeared. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I hope Russell's improvement continues. He looked excellent against UAB.

 

[Tds &amp; Beer]

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They are pretty good against the pass. Notas much against the run. Therefore, we'drun first with Relf, AND obviously use somepass there to keep them fromcrowding the line.

Then, when that stalled, We'd bring inrussell andpass first, butrun someoption and bubble screens to keep them honest. Either way, I'dbring inrussell about the 3rd series to make Ellis Johnson change his defense and work for his money.

Don't you realize that UAB's defense is terrible. SC might not have a good run defense, but I guarantee you it is better than UAB's. Once Russell made a few passes, we were finally able to run it on UAB. This year's team cannot just line up and run it on anyone except memphis. We have to be able to pass in order to run this year. Russell is the only way that happens. If Relf starts, get ready for more stagnant offense. If our coach wants to start the best man for the job, he'll Start Russell. There's no way you are going to convince anyone that Relf should start. It's just not right. There's a reason Russell was highly touted and Relf wasn't. It's time for him to do what he came to State to do.

 

[Political Hack]

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Huge recruiting weekend for us. Some kids will be at their first game. If the first thing they hear when Relf takes the field are boos, it's probably not going to go over too well with them. Of course, if you want to be a typical State fan and continually do things to hurt our recruiting, feel free.</p>

 

[Maroon Eagle]

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[chew1095]

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[gravedigger]

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USC's pass defense is the 2nd best in the best conference in the country.

USC's run defense is 5th best in the same conference. I'd say that makes them ever so slightly weaker at stopping the run.

And you are right. UAB's defense was pathetic and russell did well against it. I'm saying that the comparison might lead one to conclude that running against them (if mixed with passes) will be easier in the beginning than passing and trying to run to complement that.

Maybe I'm wrong. We probably wont have much success at either, but poor passing is a recipe for the opposing team LIGHTING up the scoreboard where as poor running keeps it closer for a longer period.

I think Mullen, as long as the game is close, will run the ball to shorten the game.

Hopefully, if he starts russell, he'll hang with them. IF not we have no other rabbits in the hat.

 

[Dixon4Heisman]

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I think Russell could be like Bray if we give him the chance.

 

[gravedigger]

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if it's down side didnt produce a game we are out of by the 2nd quarter.

If the run doesnt work, we still have time and probably are within a score or two to catch up with the pass.

If the pass doesnt work we can all leave early because the run aint going to do ****.

 

[bulldogbaja]

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professional, division 1, college football coach. Mullen sees every play of every practice, is in every meeting, watches game footage over and over, sees these guys every day. Have you ever even met either one of them?
I enjoy occasionally yelling at my TV or at the field to quit running that same stupid play- but the fact is the coaches worked like 80 hours that week getting ready to run about 60 plays, and I spent my week drawing parts or leading meetings and my knowledge of MSU football comes from what I read on Sixpack.
Anyway, that wasn't really the point of my original post; I stick by my claim that Ralph should start, and I will be surprised if he doesn't. I just hope somebody gets it done.

 

[Repeat Offender]

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start, but there is no reason for anyone to boo if Relf comes out as the starter. Itmakes us lookclassless and itcould affect a recruit's opinion of us, we need to keep the positive vibes that have been growing over the past three years going and just support our coach and team. That being said,if Relf playsthe entire first quarterandperforms like he has recently while USC is digging a hole for us and there is no change by Mullen, I am probably going to have to either boo or just go home. Russell needs to be in the game starting with the first series, Relf can relieve him if he gets rattled or is turning the ball over, but Russell deserves to start.