Now the bidding war begins for one Nick Schuessler**
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And it looks like CJ Beathard is now headed toward Iowa. If Ward slips off to Bama then their class will be almost a complete wash save for the SP kids and Mathers.
For all of Freeze's touted recruiting ability he's whiffing a whole lot more than he's hitting. I know, they got some commits this weekend, and it has ruined Arkansas State's day but pickin's are slim. Freeze has barely been able to hold the class Nutt put together and only added one impact player, which is now in doubt. He better be working on 2013 cause 2012 is looking like a lost cause.
For all of Freeze's touted recruiting ability he's whiffing a whole lot more than he's hitting. I know, they got some commits this weekend, and it has ruined Arkansas State's day but pickin's are slim. Freeze has barely been able to hold the class Nutt put together and only added one impact player, which is now in doubt. He better be working on 2013 cause 2012 is looking like a lost cause.
all about building relationships with the coaches and that Freeze hasn't had time to do that.........It is definitely plays a part in it but so does winning and right now, we have that momentum.....
He had been recruiting a lot of players to Ark State as well. Like R. Brown. Personally I think Freeze went after big fish and has let a number of decent guys like DJ Thompson, Vernon Butler, etc... slip out of state. No way a Cody Core type guyis better than DJ Thompson. If you go back and look at a lot of their offers they got pick pocketted by Fedora at UNC pretty bad, USM got a couple they were after as did La Tech.
Like I said he better be working hard on 2013.
Like I said he better be working hard on 2013.
because they argued that Freeze was a good hire BECAUSE he already had contacts in Mississippi! Now, I don't think it was realistic to expect a great class this year but they are really doing badly even with the late start. They essentially hired a coach from a Div 1A creampuff and he's bringing that quality of player with him.hotdigitydog said:
AssEndDawg said:
When I look at our 2005 and 2008 transition classes, the 2012 crop is comparable.
In each case, the classes left by the coach before weren't ready-made, and a lot of ground had to be made up on prospects for the class. It looks like we may undersign.
I don't like the idea of having to do that, but long term with the new signing limit rules, it will be better for the program if we undersign in a class where the staff doesn't have contacts built and save those scholarships for December when they've had time to work on the next class.
The difference between this class and the 2005 and 2008 classes is that Orgeron and Nutt could sign an unlimited number of B-listers on signing day and not have to worry about it impacting how many they could sign the next year. With the limits on signing players, it's probably better to undersign when you miss on the top prospects on your board, so you can save those scholarships for the following class. That's what Mullen did with the 2011 class. Rather than back fill too much with B listers, he saved a few scholarships for 2012, and he's used them for this class.
Freeze has put out a lot of offers, it hasn't been all about saving schollys. Frankly I really thought he could have gotten a better class than it's turning out to be. I think he overlooked a couple of guys that could have been good players.
I'll still give him a pass for this year, but I'm much less worried about his recruiting prowess than I ever had been.
I'll still give him a pass for this year, but I'm much less worried about his recruiting prowess than I ever had been.
Orgeron was a great recruiter, and the biggest coups of his first class were Oher (we all know the story there) and Powe (who had zero chance to qualify immediately).
He also signed Peria Jerry, a SP grad who had been at Hargrave and was coming to Ole Miss no matter what. In fact, he was already committed when Orgeron was hired. He signed John Jerry, another SP guy, who wasn't going to qualify, ended up at Hargrave. And he signed Mike Wallace in that class, though no one really wanted Wallace. All three of those were lightly recruited, and 2 of them were coming no matter what.
Past that, we had monster attrition in that class because he loaded up on players who were leftovers and bad apples with not many other offers. It's just tough to come in and make headway in a short period. Most coaches who have good transition classes only have good transition classes because they had a ready built class in place for them, and all they had to do was go after a few that were in limbo and work on building relationships with guys who already wanted to be there.
I've never felt like you could judge a guy's recruiting ability (positive or negative) based on a transition class. Given our situation in the transition, no hire was going to save the 2012 class for us. The hope is that we have a couple players from this class turn out to be pretty good players and then have most of the rest at least prove to be good enough to provide some depth in the future. If we get that, then the class wasn't a loss.
We just need don't need to have back to back weak classes. Any program can survive one weak class. Two weak classes in a row creates a hole on your roster.
He also signed Peria Jerry, a SP grad who had been at Hargrave and was coming to Ole Miss no matter what. In fact, he was already committed when Orgeron was hired. He signed John Jerry, another SP guy, who wasn't going to qualify, ended up at Hargrave. And he signed Mike Wallace in that class, though no one really wanted Wallace. All three of those were lightly recruited, and 2 of them were coming no matter what.
Past that, we had monster attrition in that class because he loaded up on players who were leftovers and bad apples with not many other offers. It's just tough to come in and make headway in a short period. Most coaches who have good transition classes only have good transition classes because they had a ready built class in place for them, and all they had to do was go after a few that were in limbo and work on building relationships with guys who already wanted to be there.
I've never felt like you could judge a guy's recruiting ability (positive or negative) based on a transition class. Given our situation in the transition, no hire was going to save the 2012 class for us. The hope is that we have a couple players from this class turn out to be pretty good players and then have most of the rest at least prove to be good enough to provide some depth in the future. If we get that, then the class wasn't a loss.
We just need don't need to have back to back weak classes. Any program can survive one weak class. Two weak classes in a row creates a hole on your roster.
it's about getting good players and depth on your team. You don't have it.
Your 2008 and 2009 classes sucked. 2010 and 2011 were average (ranked highly, but overrated obviously). You're obviously still way below average right nowoverall, and this current 2012 class is not helping that at all.
Nobody's saying that your 2013 class won't be good. It might be. Butafter the current class you're just one more year behind the curve. Not to mention that Mullen isn't going away, so you're going to have to scrape and claw to earn a good class next year. We're likely to have another winning season while Ole Miss, quite frankly, won't.
Your 2008 and 2009 classes sucked. 2010 and 2011 were average (ranked highly, but overrated obviously). You're obviously still way below average right nowoverall, and this current 2012 class is not helping that at all.
Nobody's saying that your 2013 class won't be good. It might be. Butafter the current class you're just one more year behind the curve. Not to mention that Mullen isn't going away, so you're going to have to scrape and claw to earn a good class next year. We're likely to have another winning season while Ole Miss, quite frankly, won't.
He spent way too much time chasing B. Brown, Kivon Coman,Quay, Brandon Hill, etc.. other peoples commits. He really could have gotten a fewsolid plays when USM was without a coach. I really think he could have gotten DJ Thompson, Vernon Butler, Todd Mays (as an ATH), Caleb Peterson, and a few others. But they've slipped off and he may be empty handed.
Our 2007 class was bad, especially with attrition. That was driven in large part by our academic committee hamstringing Orgeron due to APR concerns, but regardless of how it happened, it happened. The 2008 class was bad because it was a transition class. No one ever denied that. Like this transition class, we hope it gives us something, but we won't hope for much.
The 2009 class was bad because of way too much attrition.
Plain and simple, you had way better classes in 07, 08, and 09 period, and it showed on the field. Those 3 classes are THE reason Houston Nutt is no longer our coach, and they are THE reason we won 6 games combined the last two seasons.
The jury is still somewhat out on the 2010 class, though we've had a little bit of attrition from that class that I would classify as bad attrition already. At this point, I'd say that hopefully that class turns out to be average. There are some decent pieces left from that class that could grow into a solid class. We will know this fall though.
The 2011 class looks good on paper, even after a season in the books, but again the jury is still out on that class.
We definitely had 3 bad classes in a row (07-09). 2 bad classes in a row will give you at least one losing season. 3 in a row guarantees multiple losing seasons. It's possible we could have 4 in a row, though I'm holding out hope for 2010 to be mediocre.
As I've always said, I follow recruiting, but this is the way I follow it. Screw the signing day rankings. They're one part of the process, and a small part of it at that. Let me follow that class for 3 years, and let's see where we are.
Right now, we need the 2011 class to live up to its billing. The 2012 class is going to be a rough one. The 2013 class will hopefully be a good one and it'll fill some gaps. If so, we could be moderately respectable by 2013 and could be back on our feet in 2014. We just can't afford for 2013 to be a bad class, and we need 2011's class to live up to its billing with talent development and low attrition. If we can book end the 2012 class with solid groups, you won't see much negative impact from it. If not...
The 2009 class was bad because of way too much attrition.
Plain and simple, you had way better classes in 07, 08, and 09 period, and it showed on the field. Those 3 classes are THE reason Houston Nutt is no longer our coach, and they are THE reason we won 6 games combined the last two seasons.
The jury is still somewhat out on the 2010 class, though we've had a little bit of attrition from that class that I would classify as bad attrition already. At this point, I'd say that hopefully that class turns out to be average. There are some decent pieces left from that class that could grow into a solid class. We will know this fall though.
The 2011 class looks good on paper, even after a season in the books, but again the jury is still out on that class.
We definitely had 3 bad classes in a row (07-09). 2 bad classes in a row will give you at least one losing season. 3 in a row guarantees multiple losing seasons. It's possible we could have 4 in a row, though I'm holding out hope for 2010 to be mediocre.
As I've always said, I follow recruiting, but this is the way I follow it. Screw the signing day rankings. They're one part of the process, and a small part of it at that. Let me follow that class for 3 years, and let's see where we are.
Right now, we need the 2011 class to live up to its billing. The 2012 class is going to be a rough one. The 2013 class will hopefully be a good one and it'll fill some gaps. If so, we could be moderately respectable by 2013 and could be back on our feet in 2014. We just can't afford for 2013 to be a bad class, and we need 2011's class to live up to its billing with talent development and low attrition. If we can book end the 2012 class with solid groups, you won't see much negative impact from it. If not...
We won the instate battle that year anyway, according to the guys on Bill King's show back then.
I'll give you 2011, it was the year of OM. And a damn good retort to Mullen's instate recrootin ribbing. Even though some of those guys you beat us on didn't make it (Mayers, Wood).
I'll give you 2011, it was the year of OM. And a damn good retort to Mullen's instate recrootin ribbing. Even though some of those guys you beat us on didn't make it (Mayers, Wood).