NY Times is caught in yet another lie

WVPATX

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How low did I go? I mocked you for using an unverifiable and completely irrelevant source. I did not mock your daughter, nor did I call you a liar. Grow up.

"Look pal, do you even have a daughter in journalism school?"

Sure seems like your questioning my integrity. That is essentially calling me a liar. So yes, you stooped very low. Is this par for the course for you?

I also just posted (above) from Reuters their basic journalistic standards. I asked you to prove my daughter's statement wrong. When you didn't or couldn't, I looked it up.

http://handbook.reuters.com/index.php?title=Vetting_tips&oldid=3127
 

WVUCOOPER

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"Look pal, do you even have a daughter in journalism school?"

Sure seems like your questioning my integrity. That is essentially calling me a liar. So yes, you stooped very low. Is this par for the course for you?

I also just posted (above) from Reuters their basic journalistic standards. I asked you to prove my daughter's statement wrong. When you didn't or couldn't, I looked it up.

http://handbook.reuters.com/index.php?title=Vetting_tips&oldid=3127
lol. Good grief you are thin skinned.

Look it's real simple. I trust the NY Times, you don't. End of story. I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
 
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The NY Times had a story they wanted to tell. They told that story. Never contacted the White House to confirm. Journalism 101. This is the epitome of fake news. They had a standard method to confirm the story and CHOSE to not make that call.
The NY Times had a story they wanted to tell. They told that story. Never contacted the White House to confirm. Journalism 101. This is the epitome of fake news. They had a standard method to confirm the story and CHOSE to not make that call.
PATX, I'll agree that someone should have at least known that the NYT had already covered the phone call in another story the same day. I'd like to see the link to the story you quoted to see the context of the statement. Do you have it?
 

WVPATX

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lol. Good grief you are thin skinned.

Look it's real simple. I trust the NY Times, you don't. End of story. I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

You didn't hurt my feelings. I just have a better idea of your character.

Is this source more relevant for you (Reuters)? Should the Times have verified their story first based on a discussion with the source of the article? If they should have and didn't, what does that say about them?
 

moe

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No, I need to show a complete lack of basic journalism that caused them to mislead and then have to update a story.
Ok, I finally looked at the link you provided from somewhere that shows the article corrections. What is that? what is the source? how would anyone even have access to that? Ok, let's pretend that it is a legit document shown. If they missed that a phone call had been made, how does that change the substance of the story? What would be the Times' angle? In your twisted mind, would the Times be trying to give the impression that the prez doesn't call China very often? What kind of bad light do you contend that the Times was trying to shine on the prez? I'm not following this at all. If the Times was trying to deceive, wouldn't they leave the article incorrect? This seems like the biggest nothing thing that you could bring to the board even if it's true. I'd guess that journalists make minor errors sometimes, find out about it, then change the on line version but they surely can't change the printed version. Corrections are printed all the time, you linked us to one where someone's name got spelled wrong. Was that person lying? of course not, they just made a mistake. You've got such an agenda that it just colors your whole outlook on the world and keeps you living in some kind of alternate reality, kind of like your one for the ages so called prez.
 
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Fake news and called out immediately. Change their story soon thereafter.


When the White House announced this week that President Trump had sent President Xi Jinping of China a letter wishing him a happy Chinese New Year, it did not disclose a major reason for the friendly gesture: Mr. Xi hasd not, at that point, gotten on the phone with Mr. Trump…

…Stung by an earlier, and unorthodox, telephone call between Mr. Trump and the president of Taiwan, Mr. Xi hasd not spoken to Mr. Trumpthe American leader since Nov. 14, the week after he was elected.

President Donald Trump’s response is one for the ages:



President Trump: “The failing @nytimes does major FAKE NEWS China story saying “Mr.Xi has not spoken to Mr. Trump since Nov.14.” We spoke at length yesterday!”
It turns out there is a simple explanation for why the newspaper in Trump's hand did not reflect his conversation with Xi: The paper was printed before the White House told the media about the phone call. A snowstorm that battered the Northeast Thursday prevented a more up-to-date edition from reaching the president's desk.

“The original story published [online] at 9:03 last night,” the Times explained in a statement. “The story was updated at 11:35, after the White House readout on the call came at 11:04. The first national edition (delivered in D.C.) went to print before the update, and there was not a second national edition last night because of the snowstorm. The city editions (in New York) did have the updated story. And the updated story has obviously been online since 11:35 last night.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...by-the-new-york-times/?utm_term=.9d5a89aec860
 

WVPATX

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PATX, I'll agree that someone should have at least known that the NYT had already covered the phone call in another story the same day. I'd like to see the link to the story you quoted to see the context of the statement. Do you have it?

I'm confused. The NY Times did not vet the story, they never called the White House to verify. They went with their story and then 90 minutes later, upon learning of the call, updated it. I posted the revisions they made to the original story in a prior link. That link provides the original story and the updated story.

The NY Times only did one story, got it wrong because they didn't vet and then updated it once they learned about the call. My whole point has been they didn't exercise basic, very basic journalism. You should always contact the subject of an article before publishing to "get their side." If they had, they would have learned about the call.
 

WVPATX

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Ok, I finally looked at the link you provided from somewhere that shows the article corrections. What is that? what is the source? how would anyone even have access to that? Ok, let's pretend that it is a legit document shown. If they missed that a phone call had been made, how does that change the substance of the story? What would be the Times' angle? In your twisted mind, would the Times be trying to give the impression that the prez doesn't call China very often? What kind of bad light do you contend that the Times was trying to shine on the prez? I'm not following this at all. If the Times was trying to deceive, wouldn't they leave the article incorrect? This seems like the biggest nothing thing that you could bring to the board even if it's true. I'd guess that journalists make minor errors sometimes, find out about it, then change the on line version but they surely can't change the printed version. Corrections are printed all the time, you linked us to one where someone's name got spelled wrong. Was that person lying? of course not, they just made a mistake. You've got such an agenda that it just colors your whole outlook on the world and keeps you living in some kind of alternate reality, kind of like your one for the ages so called prez.

They were trying to make Trump look bad by insisting that he sent the letter but had not spoken with the Chinese President since November. This makes him look bumbling, at best.

Yes, they tried to deceive. They violated basic journalistic standards to do so. It was no mistake. They are professional journalists. It would have taken a mistake on the part of the reporter and the same mistake on the part of the editor. Not buying it.
 
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I'm confused. The NY Times did not vet the story, they never called the White House to verify. They went with their story and then 90 minutes later, upon learning of the call, updated it. I posted the revisions they made to the original story in a prior link. That link provides the original story and the updated story.

The NY Times only did one story, got it wrong because they didn't vet and then updated it once they learned about the call. My whole point has been they didn't exercise basic, very basic journalism. You should always contact the subject of an article before publishing to "get their side." If they had, they would have learned about the call.
Maybe you should have vetted your post better. I found the story from the Washington Post with a couple of clicks.

Bad Journalism on your part. Maybe you should ask your daughter for help in "doing the right things".
 

WVPATX

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It turns out there is a simple explanation for why the newspaper in Trump's hand did not reflect his conversation with Xi: The paper was printed before the White House told the media about the phone call. A snowstorm that battered the Northeast Thursday prevented a more up-to-date edition from reaching the president's desk.

“The original story published [online] at 9:03 last night,” the Times explained in a statement. “The story was updated at 11:35, after the White House readout on the call came at 11:04. The first national edition (delivered in D.C.) went to print before the update, and there was not a second national edition last night because of the snowstorm. The city editions (in New York) did have the updated story. And the updated story has obviously been online since 11:35 last night.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...by-the-new-york-times/?utm_term=.9d5a89aec860

Very poor excuse and irrelevant to my point. I would buy the excuse if the White House could not be reached for comment because of the storm. It was the NY Times responsibility to contact the White House for comment before publishing their original version. They later found out about the call and updated the article. They should have known all along about the call if they had even bother to follow basic practices.

Just answer one simple question. Why did the NY Times publish an article, claiming no phone call since November, without even asking someone at the White House for comment or verification?
 

moe

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They were trying to make Trump look bad by insisting that he sent the letter but had not spoken with the Chinese President since November. This makes him look bumbling, at best.

Yes, they tried to deceive. They violated basic journalistic standards to do so. It was no mistake. They are professional journalists. It would have taken a mistake on the part of the reporter and the same mistake on the part of the editor. Not buying it.
How about this. Let's say that it takes 4 hours to write that news story and the writer started around 6pm. Let's say they called the White House about any phone calls and were told that the last time the prez spoke w/China was Nov. 14 (true at that time) but by time the article got posted, the prez had spoken with the Chinese. Journalist finds out fairly quickly and makes the correction before midnight, good to go. The version of events that I just made up is every bit as plausible (actually way more) than the conspiracy theory that you're proposing. Don't you have better things to do with your time? apparently not.
 
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It was the NY Times responsibility to contact the White House for comment before publishing their original version.

I'm sure DJT and the WH would love for every newspaper in the country to run everything by them for approval first. What part of Free Press would that be?
 

WVPATX

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I'm sure DJT and the WH would love for every newspaper in the country to run everything by them for approval first. What part of Free Press would that be?

The White House has an entire media complex just for this purpose. Look, Trump says and does many stupid things almost daily. They don't need to lie or deceive in order to make him look like a fool. He does that all on his own. Just report the facts.

Again, it is basic journalistic standards.
 

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How about this. Let's say that it takes 4 hours to write that news story and the writer started around 6pm. Let's say they called the White House about any phone calls and were told that the last time the prez spoke w/China was Nov. 14 (true at that time) but by time the article got posted, the prez had spoken with the Chinese. Journalist finds out fairly quickly and makes the correction before midnight, good to go. The version of events that I just made up is every bit as plausible (actually way more) than the conspiracy theory that you're proposing. Don't you have better things to do with your time? apparently not.

You are making one hell of a lot of assumptions. But I can assure you these phone calls are not spontaneous and planned generally days in advance. Keep trying though.