NYCK HARBOR
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UT defensive scheme. Beamer talked about how they were covering him.
Regardless, he has been amassing stats this season and the reason for the change Saturday was UT decided to take him away and take their chances on others beating them.
I'll leave the "not a WR" discussion for others to enjoy.
I'm not trying to pile on about him. He was targeted at least once and he was open-ish, on a streak play down the sideline but he dropped it or it wasn't catchable or something. It would have been a big play but IIRC he tried to catch it with his body instead of his hands and it didn't work out.
In other words, he didn't go up and get it like he should have. I think it was late 3rd or early 4th qtr. I can't remember exactly.
In other words, he didn't go up and get it like he should have. I think it was late 3rd or early 4th qtr. I can't remember exactly.
I saw him open on deep routes but wasn’t targeted, the most glaring was the Miss st loss.
I said this last year... it ought to be a set play, mandatory, ..... bomb it downfield to Harbor, I don't care if he's triple covered. Yes, it might be dropped, intercepted, or caught, and you live with all 3 outcomes because if you do that at least twice per half, it WILL loosen up the D for the run game.
He's not a threat if you never take the shot. Needs to be hammered into Sellers head that it is a set play, and you gotta let it fly no matter what.
Here it is....Regardless, he has been amassing stats this season and the reason for the change Saturday was UT decided to take him away and take their chances on others beating them.
I'll leave the "not a WR" discussion for others to enjoy.
14:17 mark. I don't know who this guy is breaking it down or even if he's right or wrong. I just remember that this is play I was talking about.
The Bobby Bowden / Steve Spurrier method of the 90s heaving the ball isn't popular anymore because the odds of an incompletion or INT vastly outweight the catch because of defensive alignments today. Big deal if incomplete right? Well the computer models and odds don't like the throwaround down and want a higher % play. Personally, I'm with you on this one for the excitement but that's why you don't see it more often. Also, Harbor really hasn't proven that he's good in that role. He's better hitting him 20 yards downfield on a slant or something and letting him run.
I'm not seeing a NH problem there. On that play I see him with some separation and he has to slow up for (another) underthrown ball. That's a LS problem, but at this point it's common knowledge he has consistency issues. If he leads NH, it's likely 6 (purely speculative on him making the catch). Even the best aren't at their best when QB inaccuracy handicaps them.
The issues I've seen with NH revolve around route-running technique, having soft hands and other WR skill set issues. He was Usain Bolt Jr. when he got to USC, not Randy Moss Jr. They thought/hoped he could be Moss but it doesn't seem to be progressing as quickly as they thought/hoped.
But the OP asked "what changed" from the previous games to the UT game. The answer was defensive scheming that resulted in decreasing stats, not that he isn't a WR... because he apparently wasn't one when he accrued the prior stats.
I'm not seeing a NH problem there. On that play I see him with some separation and he has to slow up for (another) underthrown ball. That's a LS problem, but at this point it's common knowledge he has consistency issues. If he leads NH, it's likely 6 (purely speculative on him making the catch). Even the best aren't at their best when QB inaccuracy handicaps them.
The issues I've seen with NH revolve around route-running technique, having soft hands and other WR skill set issues. He was Usain Bolt Jr. when he got to USC, not Randy Moss Jr. They thought/hoped he could be Moss but it doesn't seem to be progressing as quickly as they thought/hoped.
But the OP asked "what changed" from the previous games to the UT game. The answer was defensive scheming that resulted in decreasing stats, not that he isn't a WR... because he apparently wasn't one when he accrued the prior stats.
Yeah, I agree with your assessment on that play. It was definitely underthrown. I think he could have gone up and got it but that's very debatable.
Hopefully they'll both play lights out against OU on Saturday.
After seeing that crazy long throw by Sellers, through the end zone, you would think with his arm strength and Harbor's speed just a longer to develop go route where he just sprints straight, would have a chance once in a while.
amassing?? FL receiver had that in a half this year.Regardless, he has been amassing stats this season and the reason for the change Saturday was UT decided to take him away and take their chances on others beating them.
I'll leave the "not a WR" discussion for others to enjoy.
Pick your favorite word to describe: accumulated, accrued, etc. The point is he went from some to none and the OP wanted to know why. Talk to King if you're into wordsmithing.
I'm more the engineering/physics type. 
Ultimately, it can be to our advantage to use him as a decoy. Especially if they are running that 2 deep safety and forcing one on ones on the corners ala Clemson. Runn him deep every play and empty out the middle for Mo Brown. That was one our most effect "set" plays of hte day.Pick your favorite word to describe: accumulated, accrued, etc. The point is he went from some to none and the OP wanted to know why. Talk to King if you're into wordsmithing.
lol. What in the world.
SOS just "heaved" it down field? Bobby Bowdens' offenses too? First...under Jeff Bowden - maybe you're right. One of the worst pass offenses (scheme and coaching) I can remember for those 4-5 years under Jeffy boy.
But, you mentioned two of the foremost, innovative pass attacks in the 80s and 90s. FSU with McDuffie with his spread, Brad Scott (fast break) and then Richt. Funny too that two of the guys on this list have been USC head coaches at one time.
Also....20 yard slants?
come on man.
Zackly. A player doesn't have to get the ball or make the play to heavily influence the game. Double and triple teaming Stewart gives others opportunities to wreak havoc.
Say it a little louder for those in the back!! (I think those in the back are the coaching staff.....
)I've been screaming this for 3yrs now! The last couple of years, Sellers didn't have the time to let such a play develop; this year, there's time!
I'll say this; Whatever they do, we NEED to see more Mo Brown!!!! Dude makes something happen every time he is given the chance!!
Harbor didn't take the step forward I was hoping he would based on his progress from 2024 to 2025. At least when he makes a catch it seems to be a big gainer.
Problem with that is it’s close to just throwing away a down because the throw has to be perfect; if it’s a shade long Harbor won’t lay out for it (neither will no. 85) and if it’s a shade short he won’t go up and fight for it (he may not know how, who knows.) Dropping a ball in on someone that moves as fast as Harbor is like a 40 foot putt; just try to get close.Say it a little louder for those in the back!! (I think those in the back are the coaching staff.....
I've been screaming this for 3yrs now! The last couple of years, Sellers didn't have the time to let such a play develop; this year, there's time!
Its success rate might be low, but it would force the defense to accomodate somewhat. May pay dividends on other plays when Harbor is not involved.
Oh yeah for sure; good stuff in theory. Just saying if you watch harbor he doesn’t sell super convincingly, and he eventually will get weary of sprinting 60 yards as a decoy. I’m all for three-four long balls per game; just like to see him a bit more aggressive.
Agreed. No doubt throwing to him would be much more effective if he was just more aggressive and went after it.
I think Harbors game is just a less impactful version of Sellers game at this point. Things to critique and scratch your head about, but the raw attributes shine through. The most underrated part of his game is his physicality. He does need to be on the field most of the time, but I’d rather see Mazeo and DJ Black getting the majority of the targets.
Sounds crazy but, he gets off to a slow, lumbering start.
He is fast.
He is not quick.
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