I try not to be critical of the powers that be, but the VHSL executive committee should reconsider making the post season a four-week affair (like it once was) instead of five weeks. I realize there will be four regions in each classification next year, but it's still going to be a maximum of 32 teams qualifying at each level just like it is now. Last night 47 of 85 games were decided by 24 or more points. While I know there are bound to be lopsided scores event if the field is decreased, post season play should be as competitive as possible
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The issue that is much more concerning to me is the new 1A East Region Alignment Plan for 2017-2019. This concern is because the regions are not only unbalanced but completely unfair in its distribution of sporting schools and powers.
It has been said that this was not decided on by the VHSL. Maybe not, still it runs counter to the Mission Statement of the VHSL and must be corrected and resolved. I have posted on this before. However, it needs repeating. Most folks don't think about issues/problems until it is too late to fix them.
1A - Region A (Far East) has 17 teams in its region to compete with including many powers/strong teams in various sports.
Region B has only 10 teams competing, with only 5 schools that are any good or are even competitive in most sports.
In fact, I will just go ahead and put Altavista and Riverheads in the state tournaments in almost every sport to represent Region B.
If you don't agree, care to place some bets....I didn't think so.
http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-final-24-region-alignment-plan1.pdf
It has been said that this was not decided on by the VHSL. Maybe not, still it runs counter to the Mission Statement of the VHSL and must be corrected and resolved. I have posted on this before. However, it needs repeating. Most folks don't think about issues/problems until it is too late to fix them.
1A - Region A (Far East) has 17 teams in its region to compete with including many powers/strong teams in various sports.
Region B has only 10 teams competing, with only 5 schools that are any good or are even competitive in most sports.
In fact, I will just go ahead and put Altavista and Riverheads in the state tournaments in almost every sport to represent Region B.
If you don't agree, care to place some bets....I didn't think so.
http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/alignment-final-24-region-alignment-plan1.pdf
I noticed the same thing. There should not even be a Region B in 1A, they should put some of the B schools in A and the rest in C
I noticed the same thing. There should not even be a Region B for 1A, they should put some of the B schools in A and the rest in C
Evrn if they don't it only leaves 7 schools in Region B that actually play football and Cumberland didn't even play a schedule that qualified them for the playoffs this year, Rappahannock County hasn't played one for years and Stonewall has been down for awhile so it's basically a 4 team region.
Riverheads remains in 1A. I have no problem with that, just give them and Altavista some competition not a pass to states in basically every sport.
Region A teams have to still basically fight just to get out of their old districts in every major sport (football, volleyball, basketball, soccer, softball, baseball).
Not sure who supported these measures but the differences in overall quality between A and B are a joke.
Region A teams have to still basically fight just to get out of their old districts in every major sport (football, volleyball, basketball, soccer, softball, baseball).
Not sure who supported these measures but the differences in overall quality between A and B are a joke.
VHSL should not be the decider of who is "good" or not. That is for the student athletes to decide. The issue in 1A is easily solved by moving the Tri-Rivers teams from Region A to Region B. The fact that they are in Region A now is the fault of the schools' ADs, not VHSL.
I do a head count of all the kids in the Riverheads District . Sometimes you really have to ruff somebody up to get them to transfer out ! Smack em around , Pay the rent on the other side of town , whatever it takes to keep it below 474 ! LMAO !!!!!! Go Big Red !!!!!
That's not the way Riverheads keeps it under 475. They do manipulate the system in a couple ways. It was recently exposed in a letter and proof to the vhsl. The "official" or "real" enrollment for Riverheads is well over 530. Facts. Argue all you want to. Mark my words, 2017 will be their last in 1a.
They should just do away with the whole system and just do a state playoff like the division 1AA college football playoffs just take the top 16 teams period if the east has more teams so be it and vise verse but the top 16 teams in division 1A east and west combined this will get rid of weak scheduling because everyone will be playing for power ratings to get a spot in the playoff and it will generate more money because the games will be competitive every week in the playoffs. What do you guys think about this proposal? Should this be presented to the committee?
No way tri rivers is region A The NND teams are closer in distance to riverhead and AltaVista that is a long ride for franklin to travel to those schools on a Friday night I remember when I was in school and we had to play nandua we had to get out of school early just to get ready for the game and be there on time would be great for competition level be way to expensive on the schools to accommodate for traveling that's the real reason for the new alignments trying to keep the cost down.
No way tri rivers is region A The NND teams are closer in distance to riverhead and AltaVista that is a long ride for franklin to travel to those schools on a Friday night I remember when I was in school and we had to play nandua we had to get out of school early just to get ready for the game and be there on time would be great for competition level be way to expensive on the schools to accommodate for traveling that's the real reason for the new alignments trying to keep the cost down.
Are you planning a move to or building a subdivision in Greenville , if so bring some good fast athletes to our school ! We could use some since we are moving up to 2A . Get Real Dude !!!!!!!!!
oldballcoach13 is either one of PM coaches or someone close to the team but I'm betting he is the coach because he called out something fort89 said up here on the message board during the speech to the team Friday night and fort89 heard about it.so Xcross watch what you say up here somebody is trying to get riverhead out of 1A and his name is oldballcoach13
I would like to move up , beating the same old 1 , 2 , 3A teams year after year sure is boring ! 500 minus 26 is aaaaaaaaaa another State Title . lmao
Do this and then break them into quads after they have qualified for the playoffs.
Travel has more to do with gate $$ than being competitive in 1A.
FYI - the next cycle is a 4 year cycle with a possible regrouping/shuffle of a few teams at the midpoint of that cycle based on a 5% gain/loss in enrollment.
I actually feel bad for Riverheads. They are geographically isolated and don't fit easily into any region- not their fault. They are in 1A b/c that is where they should be.
I don't know what the fuss is about travel for the playoffs. You only have to travel to Riverheads during that time and it's not like every team has to go there. Once it might be Essex, once it might be Surry, once it might be Mathews...... Plus it's part of the experience come playoff time - I know it sucks for the parents/families.
15/16 schools from Region 1A voted in favor of this alignment knowing the mid-east region was going to benefit come regional playoff time (W&L b/c they were in 2A did not get a vote)
I actually feel bad for Riverheads. They are geographically isolated and don't fit easily into any region- not their fault. They are in 1A b/c that is where they should be.
I don't know what the fuss is about travel for the playoffs. You only have to travel to Riverheads during that time and it's not like every team has to go there. Once it might be Essex, once it might be Surry, once it might be Mathews...... Plus it's part of the experience come playoff time - I know it sucks for the parents/families.
15/16 schools from Region 1A voted in favor of this alignment knowing the mid-east region was going to benefit come regional playoff time (W&L b/c they were in 2A did not get a vote)
naw don't break it up keep the field of 16 and let all the head coaches pick their opponents name out of the box kind of like lottery
Same for all levels. Last week's 2A matchup between #8 Madison and #9 Nandua would have drawn a good sized crowd if both teams were local. I counted less than 25 Nandua fans that made the 4 hour trip.
Some schools will travel well regardless of how far. East teams don't usually travel as well for whatever reason. But a team out West will have 2000-3000 travel the same distance. Always have wished teams out West had the same kind of fan support
Best thing about traveling to Riverheads for most teams ,is it's the last trip they will take for the season ! lol
I've said it before, If you don't like what it is changing to-- give it until 2019 or 2021 and it will change to something else. I personally like the 5 weeks of post season. Whether they do it as 2 regions like it is now, or do 4 regions with 6 or 8 teams qualifying (obviously wont happen in region B with the alignment plan). The regions will vote on what they want. I like 6 getting in with top 2 getting a bye but I also think that in Region A and Region D, that 8 would be a better fit.
1A isn't the only one with numbers issues, 6A will have Region B with 8 schools while C and D have 18 and 17. At most 8 of those 18 will get in, while 4 or 6 of the 8 in Region B will be in.
So the VHSL got away from conferences which most people didn't like, to what will probably be teams on the borders trying to get into the easier region once they see a team that went 3-7 get in while they are at home at 6-4 or 7-3.
1A isn't the only one with numbers issues, 6A will have Region B with 8 schools while C and D have 18 and 17. At most 8 of those 18 will get in, while 4 or 6 of the 8 in Region B will be in.
So the VHSL got away from conferences which most people didn't like, to what will probably be teams on the borders trying to get into the easier region once they see a team that went 3-7 get in while they are at home at 6-4 or 7-3.
Just took a quick look at the VHSL points for this year with the new regions:
The VHSL website does have a 5 week period set for playoffs/championship. So there should be at least 6 from each region.... unless a whole region gets a bye.
Playoff teams with 2016 points and 2017 alignment:
4 Teams:
Region A- Sussex, Colonial Beach, Franklin, Essex
Region B- Riverheads, Central-L, Altavista, William Campbell
Region C- Galax, GW, Parry McCluer, Narrows
Region D- Hurley, Chilhowie, PH, JI Burton
6 Teams:
Region A- Sussex, Colonial Beach, Franklin, Essex, Northumberland, Chincoteague*, Charles City
Region B- Riverheads, Central-L, Altavista, William Campbell, Rapp County*, Stonewall Jackson,
Region C- Galax, GW, Parry McCluer, Narrows, Covington, Rural Retreat
Region D- Hurley, Chilhowie, PH, JI Burton, Castlewood, Twin Valley
8 Teams:
Region A- Sussex, Colonial Beach, Franklin, Essex, Northumberland, Chincoteague*, Charles City, Surry, Lancaster
Region B- Riverheads, Central-L, Altavista, William Campbell, Rapp County*, Stonewall Jackson, Cumberland*, No more football schools
Region C- Galax, GW, Parry McCluer, Narrows, Covington, Rural Retreat, Bland, Auburn
Region D- Hurley, Chilhowie, PH, JI Burton, Castlewood, Twin Valley, Twin Springs, Honaker
*- Schools ineligible for the playoffs because of schedule
Note: Luray, Fort Chiswell, and Radford are all on the VHSL's 2A alignment.
The VHSL website does have a 5 week period set for playoffs/championship. So there should be at least 6 from each region.... unless a whole region gets a bye.
Playoff teams with 2016 points and 2017 alignment:
4 Teams:
Region A- Sussex, Colonial Beach, Franklin, Essex
Region B- Riverheads, Central-L, Altavista, William Campbell
Region C- Galax, GW, Parry McCluer, Narrows
Region D- Hurley, Chilhowie, PH, JI Burton
6 Teams:
Region A- Sussex, Colonial Beach, Franklin, Essex, Northumberland, Chincoteague*, Charles City
Region B- Riverheads, Central-L, Altavista, William Campbell, Rapp County*, Stonewall Jackson,
Region C- Galax, GW, Parry McCluer, Narrows, Covington, Rural Retreat
Region D- Hurley, Chilhowie, PH, JI Burton, Castlewood, Twin Valley
8 Teams:
Region A- Sussex, Colonial Beach, Franklin, Essex, Northumberland, Chincoteague*, Charles City, Surry, Lancaster
Region B- Riverheads, Central-L, Altavista, William Campbell, Rapp County*, Stonewall Jackson, Cumberland*, No more football schools
Region C- Galax, GW, Parry McCluer, Narrows, Covington, Rural Retreat, Bland, Auburn
Region D- Hurley, Chilhowie, PH, JI Burton, Castlewood, Twin Valley, Twin Springs, Honaker
*- Schools ineligible for the playoffs because of schedule
Note: Luray, Fort Chiswell, and Radford are all on the VHSL's 2A alignment.