Observations about Ole Miss Football Game

Dental Dawg

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1. This team can play and Freeze can coach.
2. Espn would not shut the 17 up about how great RN, Treadwell, Connor......etc are as players. If you didn't get sick of it last night, get ready. It will be beat to death this entire year. Alabama never got this much media love.
3. Freeze started his talented freshmen. Look for this as a strong sales tool for immediate playing time with future recruits.
4. Ole Miss has made it a point to always get talent at the skill position. It makes for exciting football.
5. Guys, as bad as I hate to admit it, this ain't good.
 

haildearoldstate

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Here's another observation. Ole Miss has holes in their D and that is obvious.

Vandy's QB is NOT good. He's very indecisive and a horrible decision maker. If that VU offense hangs 35 on them, they got problems. Yes, the Ole Miss offense is pretty darn good but having watched Vandy, I think they take a step back this year. Franklin should've left when he had the chance. Now back to your fellating.
 
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Seinfeld

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Well, you have to admit... when a team signs three #1s along with a #2 at their position and they're all starting on Day 1, it makes for pretty intriguing tv. I was a little underwhelmed by Nkemdiche, but Treadwell and Connor look like some serious players.

As far as Freeze deciding to let them start, I'm taking a wild guess here but I doubt he had a whole lot of choice. Players like that aren't going to sign with OM or State to ride the bench.

One thing I completely agree with, though, is that the Rebs do seemingly always find a way to beat us out on skill players. At times, that bites them in the *** with idiots like Brassell and Singleton, but they do a good job landing them.
 

Dawg1976

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Agree. I just don't see Vandy being a 30+ scoring machine this year. OM might tighten up the D a little as the season wears on, but they looked pretty much the same to me. Good receivers though.
 

Shmuley

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Freeze does an excellent job with recruiting and he has a good "atmosphere" in which to ply his trade. We have a guy still trying to figure it out coupled with Bracky.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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Yes OM plays hard, and they won

But:
They gave up 426 yards, including 300 passing

Vandy had Four turnovers, to None for Om

And it still took to the bitter end to win the game. Against Nerds.

Congrats Bears.
 

121Josey

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Lot of speed on defense. Otherwise, first game of the year on the road. Expect better.
 

was21

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Agreed but find little agreement with that argument on this board.
 

J-Dawg

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Yeah, folks were slobbering over little Kimdahsimandfadnian, but what was his stat line? 3... maybe 4 tackles and a PBU? Decent game, but if it were some Joe Schmo unknown, it wouldn't have even been mentioned. He did show a good bullrush, though.
 

MSUDC11

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They have a very impressive offense and a very mediocre defense.

If you can protect your QB against them, he will rip their secondary to shreds.
 

Seinfeld

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In his defense, I will say that it's a little hard to live up to expectation when you're looking for the next Clowney like I was. He's just not that player, but he'll be good.

On another note, seeing the board this morning made me realize how rough the next week is going to be if we end up getting pounded by OSU. I may have to take a week off if that happens.
 

J-Dawg

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Good point. It's obvious to see the talent, for sure, but I thought the other freshmen were much more impressive.
 

Heawww

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I don't think you could tell that much. Remember, this is Vandy talent they are playing against. Treadwell is a beast, I was wrong about him. Bo Wallace is the reason things are clicking for them. You can handle them easily if you got get pressure. That's about all I know at this point.
 

PhredPhantom

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This was primarily a recruiting game for Freeze.

His recruiting philosophy is this: appeal to highly-rated recruits with the promise that they will start and then actually do start them in the early games which are typically warm-up games for the rest of the season when the going gets tougher. TSUN already has a higher likelihood of winning these early games even if they do have less experienced players starting the game. Then, a game or two later, he can easily not start them claiming (perhaps rightfully) that they "didn't work out" but at least he can use this to prove to new prospective recruits that when he tells them they will start as a freshman (or JUCO transfer) if they come to TSUN, he means it.

Starting games is a big, big motivator and a point of pride to guys when they are recruited. These new guys, as talented as they are, may or may not start as the competition toughens later in the season but Freeze can lay it off on them when the real reason is that, although they may have raw talent, experience is a valuable thing and sometimes a less-talented but experienced guy is worth more than a really-talented but inexperienced player; especially when the real SEC play begins.

That's my opinion and one I happen to agree with.
 

muhstate

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OM looked alright, not more or less impressive than last year IMO.

With a young group, they well live and die by the momentum they carry throughout games. Based on what I saw, they will play everyone close for a quarter, then depth and experience will take over. Texas, LSU, Bama and A&M will win by atleast two TDs.
 

TSUNBearHunter

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Vandy had two turnovers. Turnovers are part of the game. They mean you did something right usually unless a guy just smooth puts one on the ground untouched.

We did give up 426 yards, but we put almost 500 yards (over 200 rushing) and we well against the Vandy run.

Getting Mathers back healthy will go a long way in helping our run game, which lacked a bigger back last night.

We aren't world beaters right now. Our CBs are pretty terrible, but we should get Golson back to 100% soon. Sawyer is still hurting too. They won't make us good there, but we'll be better there than last night. Still, teams will pass for a lot of yards on us again this season. Getting CJ back fully healthy should help our DBs.

Our offensive guards looked pretty terrible. Morris, who rehabbed most of the summer, showed up for fall camp way overweight and out of shape. It showed last night.

We missed two FGs. One of them was excusable and neither were chip shots, but we have to correct that. Otherwise, we could drop a game due to a missed FG opportunity. I'm not sold on Ritter as placekicker yet. Noble and Pappanastos might be better options inside of 45 yards.

Nkemdiche is going to be pretty good once he gets his technique down, learns to use his hands, learns some moves, and quits relying on the bull rush. I think he and Chris Jones will look an awful lot alike in their freshman seasons. Channing Ward on special teams is scary. He may not be very bright. He may struggle with a playbook. But he brings the wood.



Despite the wishes of a group not to be named, it appears that Bo Wallace's arm has healed. He didn't looked polished. And his arm strength may not be 100%, but he played pretty well and wasn't afraid to run.

Our freshman, Tunsil, Ingram, Conner, Nkemdiche, and Treadwell, are as advertised. In fact, they were better than I anticipated. I expected a lot of freshmen growing pains, but other than a Conner facemask, there weren't many big mistakes. Gholson did struggle on the interior offensive line, but offensive line is a tough position for a freshman in their first game. All in all, coming out on top in an adverse situation on the road in the SEC will help that group of freshman mature quickly.

Vandy is a solid middle of the road SEC team. I still expect them to get to 6 wins, but it got a little tougher after last night. We were fortunate to get out of there with a win last night. History hasn't been kind to Thursday night road teams.

Jordan Matthews is a winner. I'm glad we won, but hate that Matthews had to be the guy on the tipped INT.

I expect Auburn to be much improved. Playing them in Jordan-Hare will be tough. If we can win that game, stay healthy at key positions, and get to 3-2 headed into the A&M game, we have a good chance to bowl and possibly get to 7 or 8 wins. Another bowl season coupled with the true freshmen getting TV time will do wonders for our recruiting this year if we maintain.

We are very young. Look out in 2014. That will be our year assuming everyone is healthy.

After watching the SC game and our game, its apparent that the uptempo offense is tough to deal with even when you prepare for it. SC, though the much better squad, got very tired in the second half. Same for Vandy. The uptempo created an advantage for us in the second half. It will be interesting to see how you guys deal with it against Ok State's tempo.
 
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grimedawg1

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"Turnovers are part of the game. They mean you did something right usually unless a guy just smooth puts one on the ground untouched."

Turnovers are indeed part of the game. But, having a ball sail right through Matthews hands at the end was not something that Ole Miss did right. And, having Vandy miss on a few opportunities to get some field position by taking one of a few Wallace throws that could have been intercepted was unfortunate for Vandy.

A big difference in the game was that Ole Miss was more experienced at the most important position, and Vandy was less experienced. I think it contributed greatly to Vandy's slow start on O in which Ole Miss got the ball twice deep in Vandy territory to put up 10 points.

Another momentum stopper for Vandy was when Matthews went out of the game early in the 3rd quarter and stayed gone a while to get IV fluids for cramps.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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Looked at two different box scores

to see 4 turnovers. Pulled up ESPN Box score just now, and it indicates 2...so ok.

Have a nice day, just don't gloat too much.

There is a tab up top to help you get to Nafoom.
 

kired

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I don't see it as just a recruiting tool. These guys are the best thing they have on the roster. There were only 5 or 6 true freshmen that saw legitimate playing time. And keep in mind UM doesn't have a full, healthy roster. I'm not sure if they have 80 guys on scholarship.

Engram @ TE - he may be the only healthy TE on scholarship

RN @ DE - you don't sign the #1 recruit in the nation for him to sit on the sidelines

Tunsil & Golston @ OL - I don't know enough about their oline to say whether these guys are the best they got... but the OL as a whole looked terrible in the 1st half

Conner & Treadwell - obviously talented enough to get playing time for most middle of the road SEC teams, especially one lacking depth
 

TSUNBearHunter

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Cody Prewitt catching it after it was tipped by Matthews was what he did right. It's not as easy as it looks to catch a ball after it is tipped from a few feet away as you are preparing to make a hit.

And Cody Prewitt put a little fear in Matthews earlier with the big hit. That definitely contributed to him missing that ball. He heard the steps.

Wallace may have more SEC experience than Carta-Samuels, but this is Carta-Samuels fourth year of playing D1 QB. He is no rookie. He has played almost twice as many D1 snaps as Wallace.
 
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Drebin

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I don't see it as just a recruiting tool. These guys are the best thing they have on the roster. There were only 5 or 6 true freshmen that saw legitimate playing time. And keep in mind UM doesn't have a full, healthy roster. I'm not sure if they have 80 guys on scholarship.

Engram @ TE - he may be the only healthy TE on scholarship

RN @ DE - you don't sign the #1 recruit in the nation for him to sit on the sidelines

Tunsil & Golston @ OL - I don't know enough about their oline to say whether these guys are the best they got... but the OL as a whole looked terrible in the 1st half

Conner & Treadwell - obviously talented enough to get playing time for most middle of the road SEC teams, especially one lacking depth


The best part about having all these guys play last night is that they will have to eventually vacate that win.
 

Heawww

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Ya'll know better than to argue with that homer. Come on. Don't attract him. Just like illegal immigration, if you remove the desire to come here, he'll go away.
 

MichiganReb22

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Look! A mature, adult comment from RabbitDawg. Totally not BSing you here, but thanks for making up for your crazy friends on SPS. Ok, I'm finished posting.
 

MichiganReb22

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This was primarily a recruiting game for Freeze.

His recruiting philosophy is this: appeal to highly-rated recruits with the promise that they will start and then actually do start them in the early games which are typically warm-up games for the rest of the season when the going gets tougher. TSUN already has a higher likelihood of winning these early games even if they do have less experienced players starting the game. Then, a game or two later, he can easily not start them claiming (perhaps rightfully) that they "didn't work out" but at least he can use this to prove to new prospective recruits that when he tells them they will start as a freshman (or JUCO transfer) if they come to TSUN, he means it.

Starting games is a big, big motivator and a point of pride to guys when they are recruited. These new guys, as talented as they are, may or may not start as the competition toughens later in the season but Freeze can lay it off on them when the real reason is that, although they may have raw talent, experience is a valuable thing and sometimes a less-talented but experienced guy is worth more than a really-talented but inexperienced player; especially when the real SEC play begins.

That's my opinion and one I happen to agree with.

Yeah. It's all an evil scheme. You totally pegged that ****.

"That's my opinion and one I happen to agree with." I'm glad you're so adept at agreeing with yourself. It can be hard sometimes.

Really, you guys need to listen to yourselves, 'cause I'm trying to not be a dick but you're making it really difficult.
 

maroonmadman

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Breaking the win streak that perennial SEC doormat Vandy had on ole miss is the first step to a national championship for the ol reb black bear land sharks. **
 
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1. This team can play and Freeze can coach.
2. Espn would not shut the 17 up about how great RN, Treadwell, Connor......etc are as players. If you didn't get sick of it last night, get ready. It will be beat to death this entire year. Alabama never got this much media love.
3. Freeze started his talented freshmen. Look for this as a strong sales tool for immediate playing time with future recruits.
4. Ole Miss has made it a point to always get talent at the skill position. It makes for exciting football.
5. Guys, as bad as I hate to admit it, this ain't good.

What? Did you watch the same game I watched? Vandy got 420 yards on them and Vandy is not that good. I thought they looked like ****.
 

Wizard.sixpack

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They are a few players away from being a legit force in the upcoming years...I hate to admit that but its true. A top 10 recruiting class this year and they will be scary.
 

MichiganReb22

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Thought you were done posting...

Maybe I...just can't quit you...

****, I hope I'm done posting now. We shall see. That last one was a little too good not to address. I mean "it's my opinion and one I happen to agree with"? Really? How could I not say something? Hell, one of you all should have said something to limit the embarrassment of it, then I could've just kept my mouth shut.
 
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I don't know why a lot of yall seem to think Vandy sucks, so any standout bear players arent that good because of the lack of competion. Vandy is a legit mid-level SEC team. My confusion is why does Freeze start every play--including 3rd or 4th and short in a shotgun formation? Except for Scott, he barely used his RBs except as receivers. So much for establishing the run. I thought Kimdeechee had a good first game, and noticed he drew double coverage on passing downs. As for his sub-par performance--he had as many tackles yesteday as CLowney did...