OC discussion

[ThinnyJ]

So I'm torn here... I feel like DL did a decent job at putting folks in a position to make plays (a good bit of the time) but I also hated the "run up the middle for minimal gain" plays that seem to never go away.

I also feel like Sellers' individual play really helped him save face several of those games... We could have easily lost A LOT more games had Sellers not been a magician.

I didn't feel like DL schemed well for our inept offensive line. The game plan against Clemson was just flat out no good imo. We really shouldn't have won with all things considered. (Thank God we did, so we don't have to listen to all the crap)

Not that I was unhappy with the OC... I defended him a good bit - especially at the beginning of the year - I'm just saying, maybe this is going to be a step in the right direction overall... I hate the inconsistency of change, but I'm hopeful we can find a good X's and O's guy that can be a help.

Not sure who, though.... What say you?

 

[KOTR]

The thing with running up the middle is to make the defense have to defend it. It's incredibly frustrating when it gets bottled up, but it's also very satisfying when one yields a big play. Overall, I actually feel like he did a good job while here. Having said that, I do feel as though his traditional run plays left something to be desired.

I wonder who is going to call plays for the bowl game. I'm not a sports junkie like many are, so I'm not sure about potential replacements. I have seen several people talking about the idea of Elliott or Shula getting the nod. I'm not sure how I feel about either.

 

[Bubba Fett]

I say he was good enough, but still lacking. Weather we miss him or not will depend entirely on how good the replacement is.

I didn't want to hear the talk about Elliot, but after stepping back and looking at it, I must say there is a strong suspicion that they brought Elliot back for this very purpose.

He might be good. Might not. Who knows?

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

Shula likely interim OC

 

[92Pony]

I like reading the UVA report that Shula has the backing of the players and that they’d be happy with him. Hopefully they have him call the bowl game as a working interview (however, im aware that a similar situation with the previous staff got us bmac as OC <shudder>). We know Beamer isn’t making a hire before the bowl game, so I’m guessing that’s what will happen. Hopefully there’s a home run hire out there, but if not, maybe we roll with Shula (with input from Elliott) and build off of what we did this year. I think Beamer has made it clear he wants to run a pro-style O, so we won’t get anything innovative and exciting regardless…..

 

[18IsTheMan]

I say he was good enough, but still lacking. Weather we miss him or not will depend entirely on how good the replacement is.

I didn't want to hear the talk about Elliot, but after stepping back and looking at it, I must say there is a strong suspicion that they brought Elliot back for this very purpose.

He might be good. Might not. Who knows?

That's how I would assess Loggains: good enough.

 

[HI Cock1]

The thing with running up the middle is to make the defense have to defend it. It's incredibly frustrating when it gets bottled up, but it's also very satisfying when one yields a big play. Overall, I actually feel like he did a good job while here. Having said that, I do feel as though his traditional run plays left something to be desired.

I wonder who is going to call plays for the bowl game. I'm not a sports junkie like many are, so I'm not sure about potential replacements. I have seen several people talking about the idea of Elliott or Shula getting the nod. I'm not sure how I feel about either.

We ran a lot of Power this year - with Sanders, Sellers and Adaway. We had a lot of stuffs, but in total we were much more successful this year. It helps that we had true RBs on the team this year. The QB power plays were very successful - think 75 yds vs LSU. In general, our run blocking was better this year than past couple years.

Our pass blocking was pretty bad on the whole, and if not for Sellers, we would be lucky to have won 7 games. That must improve under the next OC as well as Sellers development as a passer. I'm not sure if guys aren't getting open or if Sellers isn't seeing them, but we didn't get the ball to WRs anywhere near enough. He's not going to be able to run for 100+ very often without getting killed.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I like reading the UVA report that Shula has the backing of the players and that they’d be happy with him. Hopefully they have him call the bowl game as a working interview (however, im aware that a similar situation with the previous staff got us bmac as OC <shudder>). We know Beamer isn’t making a hire before the bowl game, so I’m guessing that’s what will happen. Hopefully there’s a home run hire out there, but if not, maybe we roll with Shula (with input from Elliott) and build off of what we did this year. I think Beamer has made it clear he wants to run a pro-style O, so we won’t get anything innovative and exciting regardless…..

My initial reaction was "Please don't make an internal hire!" but I forgot about Shula on staff.

I'd still prefer we do a thorough search, but he's got the NFL chops a lot of players are looking for these days.

 

[muscleknight]

How about Eric Kimmery for OC?

 

[KOTR]

I know! G.A. Mangus!

 

[Hoganman1]

I'm not sure an internal hire (or promotion) is a bad thing. Both Shula and Elliott know the players and the system. I would think continuity would be important after the season we just had. Obviously, if there is a big name OC that wants the job we should take a look.

 

[ThinnyJ]

No matter what happens, we need a new offensive line coach.....

 

[18IsTheMan]

I would be sorely disappointed if we promoted Elliott to OC.

I don't know why some fans are so sold on him as a great coach. I think he's ok.

 

[18IsTheMan]

So I'm torn here... I feel like DL did a decent job at putting folks in a position to make plays (a good bit of the time) but I also hated the "run up the middle for minimal gain" plays that seem to never go away.

I also feel like Sellers' individual play really helped him save face several of those games... We could have easily lost A LOT more games had Sellers not been a magician.

I didn't feel like DL schemed well for our inept offensive line. The game plan against Clemson was just flat out no good imo. We really shouldn't have won with all things considered. (Thank God we did, so we don't have to listen to all the crap)

Not that I was unhappy with the OC... I defended him a good bit - especially at the beginning of the year - I'm just saying, maybe this is going to be a step in the right direction overall... I hate the inconsistency of change, but I'm hopeful we can find a good X's and O's guy that can be a help.

Not sure who, though.... What say you?

TBH, I really don't know what the attraction was for App State. Loggains has been ok-ish. This year. Last year was not so good.

Maybe he's the best P5 coordinator they could afford.

 

[Cackmandu]

We ran a lot of Power this year - with Sanders, Sellers and Adaway. We had a lot of stuffs, but in total we were much more successful this year. It helps that we had true RBs on the team this year. The QB power plays were very successful - think 75 yds vs LSU. In general, our run blocking was better this year than past couple years.

Our pass blocking was pretty bad on the whole, and if not for Sellers, we would be lucky to have won 7 games. That must improve under the next OC as well as Sellers development as a passer. I'm not sure if guys aren't getting open or if Sellers isn't seeing them, but we didn't get the ball to WRs anywhere near enough. He's not going to be able to run for 100+ very often without getting killed.

I'm thinking he just doesn't have enough time to throw, Clemson saw that with our pass rush and took advantage of it with the quick release stuff. We never figured that out and that's on Loggains!

 

[Lakemurraycock]

Maybe on Shula. How is he at recruiting? Got to be good at both coaching and recruiting. He is 59. But the players like him so hopefully he can still relate and communicate with them.

 

[KingWard]

The thing with running up the middle is to make the defense have to defend it. It's incredibly frustrating when it gets bottled up, but it's also very satisfying when one yields a big play. Overall, I actually feel like he did a good job while here. Having said that, I do feel as though his traditional run plays left something to be desired.

I wonder who is going to call plays for the bowl game. I'm not a sports junkie like many are, so I'm not sure about potential replacements. I have seen several people talking about the idea of Elliott or Shula getting the nod. I'm not sure how I feel about either.

The play that Georgia ran to win the SEC Championship game was a thing of beauty to me. But we don't block inside runs like they do.

 

[The Reel Ess]

So I'm torn here... I feel like DL did a decent job at putting folks in a position to make plays (a good bit of the time) but I also hated the "run up the middle for minimal gain" plays that seem to never go away.

I also feel like Sellers' individual play really helped him save face several of those games... We could have easily lost A LOT more games had Sellers not been a magician.

I didn't feel like DL schemed well for our inept offensive line. The game plan against Clemson was just flat out no good imo. We really shouldn't have won with all things considered. (Thank God we did, so we don't have to listen to all the crap)

Not that I was unhappy with the OC... I defended him a good bit - especially at the beginning of the year - I'm just saying, maybe this is going to be a step in the right direction overall... I hate the inconsistency of change, but I'm hopeful we can find a good X's and O's guy that can be a help.

Not sure who, though.... What say you?

The run-up-the-middle-for-no-gain play is something everyone does. You have to. It sets up the play action passes that follow. LBs and safeties can't react to both. No matter who you get as an OC that play is not going away. We might alter the blocking or execute it better or worse depending on personnel.

 

[The Reel Ess]

We ran a lot of Power this year - with Sanders, Sellers and Adaway. We had a lot of stuffs, but in total we were much more successful this year. It helps that we had true RBs on the team this year. The QB power plays were very successful - think 75 yds vs LSU. In general, our run blocking was better this year than past couple years.

Our pass blocking was pretty bad on the whole, and if not for Sellers, we would be lucky to have won 7 games. That must improve under the next OC as well as Sellers development as a passer. I'm not sure if guys aren't getting open or if Sellers isn't seeing them, but we didn't get the ball to WRs anywhere near enough. He's not going to be able to run for 100+ very often without getting killed.

The QB being a serious threat to run is the key here. LBs have to concern themselves with 2 or three possible runners instead of 1.

 

[The Reel Ess]

My initial reaction was "Please don't make an internal hire!" but I forgot about Shula on staff.

I'd still prefer we do a thorough search, but he's got the NFL chops a lot of players are looking for these days.

I forgot he was even on the staff. Honestly, he's forgotten more than most people will ever know about offenses.

 

[The Reel Ess]

The play that Georgia ran to win the SEC Championship game was a thing of beauty to me. But we don't block inside runs like they do.

Or outside runs, or screens, or bubble passes...

 

[KingWard]

I like reading the UVA report that Shula has the backing of the players and that they’d be happy with him. Hopefully they have him call the bowl game as a working interview (however, im aware that a similar situation with the previous staff got us bmac as OC <shudder>). We know Beamer isn’t making a hire before the bowl game, so I’m guessing that’s what will happen. Hopefully there’s a home run hire out there, but if not, maybe we roll with Shula (with input from Elliott) and build off of what we did this year. I think Beamer has made it clear he wants to run a pro-style O, so we won’t get anything innovative and exciting regardless…..

Give him a shot.

 

[anon1735250271]

Is shula experienced enough maybe do a dual oc with a younger OC that can be the future OC while learning behind shula

 

[DeBoer31]

Is shula experienced enough maybe do a dual oc with a younger OC that can be the future OC while learning behind shula

LOL...yeah I mean... former SEC head coach and OC in the Pros...I think he's qualified.
With that said...I don't want to go Shula.
IF they did that...I like your suggestion of tagging a younger co-OC that has some ideas/philosophies outside what we all know Shula will do.

 

[anon1735250271]

What do u think of smu OC under shula