When artificial ethics and concern begin overruling common sense such as the Tubman case.
Yeah! Why should ethics and morality be a concern of anybody working at a university?
That's another huge part of the problem. With exceptions for minors and few other situations, our legal process is public. These kangaroo courts act with impunity, in secret. They are shielded from rebuke by legal protections. I find that ironic.I'm just curious, not being argumentative, because I think UK really screwed this up, but why not tell the media factually what happened? I think the media snooping around is what is needed to clean up these kinds of things. If they have to defend what they did, and I would suspect they can't, then it looks really bad on them. That is what needs to happen. They need to be asked tough questions and put on the spot to defend their process and why they think it brings justice instead of biased rulings.
I said I think Tubman got a raw deal here but I also understand and believe the safety of women on campus takes higher precedence over sports. I don't agree with their decision but I understand it and the one thing I do know is nobody can say they know for sure what happened.When artificial ethics and concern begin overruling common sense such as the Tubman case.
That was well stated, but in my opinion, misguided. Why support a system that denies individuals their Constitutional rights?I said I think Tubman got a raw deal here but I also understand and believe the safety of women on campus takes higher precedence over sports. I don't agree with their decision but I understand it and the one thing I do know is nobody can say they know for sure what happened.
I'm not siding with this girl but I am trying to give the people in charge of making the UK campus a safe place the benefit of the doubt. We can and probably do agree about Tubman here but I will remain supportive of those people who try to provide security for all the students on UK's campus.
To my way of thinking if this had not happened on campus it would have been a completely different outcome. That said I would also probably support the school if they did not readmit this woman if the stories I have read about her since are true. When you have the responsibility of making these decisions it is not as easy as forming an opinion from the cheap seats. No connotation intended.
I'm not sure that applies in this instance. Students are often expelled for their behavior even though they have broke no laws. I don't know, I'm not a legal mind nor do I know all of UK's rules and I'm sure there are some here that came into question. I wish Tubman was on our team,he was a big loss. Overall though I think athletes get far more consideration than most students. I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying we were not the people tasked with this decision and it is easy for us to criticize.That was well stated, but in my opinion, misguided. Why support a system that denies individuals their Constitutional rights?
well the media wants to drag Lloyd thru the grinder..as a current Coach at Seneca I really don't want the publicity..Nothing will change sadly.I'm just curious, not being argumentative, because I think UK really screwed this up, but why not tell the media factually what happened? I think the media snooping around is what is needed to clean up these kinds of things. If they have to defend what they did, and I would suspect they can't, then it looks really bad on them. That is what needs to happen. They need to be asked tough questions and put on the spot to defend their process and why they think it brings justice instead of biased rulings.
I'm not one who cares about Lloyd as a football player. I really couldn't care less. But as I have posted in numerous articles, judges are starting to take this seriously and they clearly don't think these kangaroo courts, my words, are Constitutional. That's really the end of the discussion. Schools most provide due process. UK didn't and no University does. That will change.I'm not sure that applies in this instance. Students are often expelled for their behavior even though they have broke no laws. I don't know, I'm not a legal mind nor do I know all of UK's rules and I'm sure there are some here that came into question. I wish Tubman was on our team,he was a big loss. Overall though I think athletes get far more consideration than most students. I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying we were not the people tasked with this decision and it is easy for us to criticize.
We can only hope. It always amazes me that the very institutions charged with educating students about these very concepts are the ones who don't seem to be able to logically think through the process of due process.I'm not one who cares about Lloyd as a football player. I really couldn't care less. But as I have posted in numerous articles, judges are starting to take this seriously and they clearly don't think these kangaroo courts, my words, are Constitutional. That's really the end of the discussion. Schools most provide due process. UK didn't and no University does. That will change.
And worse, we have their defenders who would be railing against the system if one of their own ever got caught up in the net.We can only hope. It always amazes me that the very institutions charged with educating students about these very concepts are the ones who don't seem to be able to logically think through the process of due process.
Well when that comes to pass it will clarify things and maybe that's what needs to be done but right now that isn't the case. Not all judges agree on a given subject either. There are also exceptions like try and enforce your 2nd amendment rights on an army base.I'm not one who cares about Lloyd as a football player. I really couldn't care less. But as I have posted in numerous articles, judges are starting to take this seriously and they clearly don't think these kangaroo courts, my words, are Constitutional. That's really the end of the discussion. Schools most provide due process. UK didn't and no University does. That will change.
What a red herring deflection. Tubman's getting kicked out has nothing to do with sports other than possibly the pc police having it in for male athletes.I said I think Tubman got a raw deal here but I also understand and believe the safety of women on campus takes higher precedence over sports.
There is zero reason to give a WOMAN nor the people n charge the benefit of the doubt at the expense anyone else. IT's completely bogus reasoning. By giving such a benefit you truly are siding with the woman. Stop trying to have it both ways. You clearly don't care that the guy didn't have due process.I'm not siding with this girl but I am trying to give the people in charge of making the UK campus a safe place the benefit of the doubt..