Nope, because I know nothing about it so I won't pretend like I do. Unlike you, who knows nothing about rap and are pretending you do.
"Black cities are all the same and Black music and culture are for dumb asses, but I swear I'm not racist."
OFF Topic, but am I the only one lost on this Superbowl halftime show?
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I never one time said I wasn't racist. I also never said what you recited. You are the racist piece of ****. do you think that people can't go back and see what I actually said? I made no mention of race. You did. Same as you people always do.
Idiots. I mean idiots, idiots who have nothing else to say. Idiots who think every criticism is racist. I mean YOUl
Let me know if you're black, or am I talking to some dumbass white guy who want's to feel the pain of being black 200 years ago. Seriously, it makes a difference as to how stupid I think you are.
I actually think this is a pretty revealing comment. You think my views are driving by some need to feel like a victim or feel bad for being white instead of being driven by the desire to understand the reality of others. You can acknowledge the reality of race relations in America and at the same time still feel secure and comfortable being white. Those two are not mutually exclusive. It's really not hard to have empathy for others' life experiences if you put in a little effort.
^ You are indoctrinated with white savior complex and bigotry of low expectations of blacks. There couldn’t be a better time and place to be black right now than in America yet people like you perpetuate this false victimhood narrative that’s not based in reality whatsoever.
With that said, I liked the halftime show. Thought it was good and fun and a welcome change from the crap that usually gets the halftime show.
With that said, I liked the halftime show. Thought it was good and fun and a welcome change from the crap that usually gets the halftime show.
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This is whataboutism. You create a fake argument as no one is arguing for these people as some may not even be aware (shocking that entertainers are not good people).
What you ignore is that your above examples don’t produce an idolization of crime which plagues a demographic. Don’t know many who wanted to be androgynous and then sell crack and do drive-by shootings because of David Bowie.
This is coming from someone who likes old rap too. It’s just apples to oranges. One has a massive effect on one community while the other doesn’t produce imitation culturally.
No talent? Come on you can come up with something better than that. That's like UK fans acting like Rick Pitino can't coach basketball while he was at U of L. Just say you didn't like it. It's ok for others to really enjoy things you don't. I hate country music. Like hate it, but I would never call any country musician untalented. It's just not my bag.
I’m not sure why this thread needed to be 7+ pages or why some are arguing about race now. Music is subjective. If a group of pop country artists had performed, I wouldn’t have watched. Sure, some of the responses have been cringy and predictable, but it’s a message board. It’s either read that stuff here or on FB.
I will point out to blue woman though, who proclaimed that society is regressing because of the halftime show I suppose, that these aren’t new artists and rap has been around for decades. Before that, it was Funk and urging everyone to “get down.”Before that, it was Robert Plant singing that he was going to give you every inch of his love and how he wanted to be your back door man. Before that, it was Johnny Cash shooting a man in Reno just to watch him die. And before that, it was Elvis wiggling his hips for the nation while he dated teenaged girls.
Lyrics have been sexual in nature and violent for decades. Hell, ZZ Top created whole songs about looking for “tush” and doing the “tube snake boogie”. But REGRESSION!
I will point out to blue woman though, who proclaimed that society is regressing because of the halftime show I suppose, that these aren’t new artists and rap has been around for decades. Before that, it was Funk and urging everyone to “get down.”Before that, it was Robert Plant singing that he was going to give you every inch of his love and how he wanted to be your back door man. Before that, it was Johnny Cash shooting a man in Reno just to watch him die. And before that, it was Elvis wiggling his hips for the nation while he dated teenaged girls.
Lyrics have been sexual in nature and violent for decades. Hell, ZZ Top created whole songs about looking for “tush” and doing the “tube snake boogie”. But REGRESSION!
I grew up in the 90's. Turned 10 in 1990 and 20 in 2000. The funniest thing about political outrage is that I distinctly remember Congress holding hearings about 2LiveCrew and NWA. Me being around 10 at that time had never heard of those bands, but that Congressional hearing got so much news it made me think, hey I really want to hear those songs and see what they are all about. I'm pretty sure that is what made rap mainstream. All the white kids wanted to hear this music adults thought was too vile to be listened to by anyone. People are so damn stupid
What the hell are you talking about? Who said I was not consistent in my beliefs? I was not the one who talked about Steven Tyler or any other rocker. I was NOT the one who brought up race. You start being consistent. Thanks.
I am not a fan of rap. I did live during its breakthrough and then rise to popularity. I think “performance art” is a good way to explain its early existence. Later, it became more musical and more original. I like some rap. I like some rap in low doses, because it does become highly redundant to me, because while it has great enthusiastic rhythm, it often lacks a melody that I prefer in music. I have no problem with the Super Bowl highlighting rap at the halftime show. The halftime show rarely entertains me.
The problem I have is the virtue signaling of the NFL and liberals who praised and raved about the importance of Dre and Snoop, and Eminem. Dre and Snoop lived in a misogynistic, “homophobic”, and violent musical culture. I suspect Eminem did too (I know his lyrics have spoken of violence toward women).
The INCONSISTENCY comes when these performers who have abused women are praised and worshipped, all while the same culture cancels and has no forgiveness for those who are not politically aligned. Where was Kanye? Ah, no, Kanye has committed unforgivable acts and must repent. He was actually BOOED with his kids at the Super Bowl.
So, I desire consistency. Don’t overlook some people’s past horrific ugliness when they align politically while you fake condemn others for past wrongs when the real problem is they won’t fall down and worship your political gods.
The problem I have is the virtue signaling of the NFL and liberals who praised and raved about the importance of Dre and Snoop, and Eminem. Dre and Snoop lived in a misogynistic, “homophobic”, and violent musical culture. I suspect Eminem did too (I know his lyrics have spoken of violence toward women).
The INCONSISTENCY comes when these performers who have abused women are praised and worshipped, all while the same culture cancels and has no forgiveness for those who are not politically aligned. Where was Kanye? Ah, no, Kanye has committed unforgivable acts and must repent. He was actually BOOED with his kids at the Super Bowl.
So, I desire consistency. Don’t overlook some people’s past horrific ugliness when they align politically while you fake condemn others for past wrongs when the real problem is they won’t fall down and worship your political gods.
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I dunno, man. I just enjoyed watching a fairly entertaining show before the second half began and didn't take it that seriously. Society (including both sides of the aisle) doesn't need to take a stand over everything under the moon and stars. It didn't use to be this way.
As a father of 3 that works with lots of young 20 somethings I’ve definitely been feeling older lately. Not quite understanding popular catchphrases, pretty lost on popular shows and entertainment. Was kinda bummed and thinking “Father Time is undefeated indeed”. And then this thread about almost 60 year old rappers playing songs from 30 years ago happened. Thank you to this thread, and thank you to all of you that didn’t “get it”. Maybe I have a few good years left after all.
Okay, I didn't like it. I failed to hear any talent involved. There, feel better now?
The only thing I hate more than rap music is country music so this isn't anything to do with race as far as I'm concerned. I just don't even see rap as "music" as it is based on just talking over music. How do you classify rap as singing? I don't get it? 90% of it is crude and anti-social. I could say the same thing about punk rock which I also find disgusting.
To me music is more like beauty and art. Sure, you could paint a picture of a puppy on fire swimming in urine and call it art and some people do, just don't try to convince me it is "art" and don't try to call me racist for thinking so or try to tell me I'm old and out of touch because I don't agree with your awful taste.
To me music is more like beauty and art. Sure, you could paint a picture of a puppy on fire swimming in urine and call it art and some people do, just don't try to convince me it is "art" and don't try to call me racist for thinking so or try to tell me I'm old and out of touch because I don't agree with your awful taste.
I'm not going to get any further down the race rabbit hole, but this is a meaningless statement. At the time 1866 was the best time to be black in America, but that doesn't mean it was great. At the time 1920 was the best time to be black in America, but black cities showing a little wealth were still being burned to the ground and firebombed. At the time 1964 was the best time to be black in America, but the Civil Rights Act still needed to be passed. At the time 1991 was the best time to be black in America, doesn't mean black men weren't getting the crap beat out of them by cops.
Just because something is better than it's ever been doesn't mean it's great and doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. 30 years from now we'll (hopefully) look back on today and see how much has changed for the better.
If you can’t succeed in the era of lowered standards, diversity quotas/positions, and everyone bowing down at the slightest accusation of racism then that’s on you.
If you're actually interested in learning about it, this is a video I watched a little while ago going through the differences in rhyme schemes, and their development over time. Doesn't go as much into the beats/samples, which also developed through different styles over time, but it was really interesting. But for some specific examples, take Wu Tang Clan with a very old school beat; Outkast with a more varied (and much faster tempo) beat with more embellishments from other instruments, synths, and scratches that changes throughout the song; and Kanye who likewise has a beat that varies through the song, at times very simple and straightforward then incorporating different rhythms at different times and this time leaning heavily into electronic synths for embellishments. None of the three sound like the others.
I would never mistake Atlanta for New Orleans, or Birmingham for Baltimore.
This isn't hard to figure out. It's almost impossible to find an act that will please all. Someone will love it and some will feel alienated.
1991 - New Kids on the Block and Disney
1993 - Michael Jackson
1994 - Clint Black, Tanya Tucker, Travis Tritt, Judds
1995 - Patti Labelle, Tony Bennett
1996 - Diana Ross
1997 - Blues Brothers, ZZ Top, James Brown
1998 - Boys II Men, Smokey Robinson, Temptations
1999 - Gloria Estafan, Stevie Wonder
2002 - U2
2005 - Paul McCartney
2006 - Rolling Stones
2008 - Tom Petty
2009 - Springsteen
2010 - The Who
2012 - Madonna
2022 - Dre, Snoop, Eminem, Blige
en.wikipedia.org
You can go year by year and find a population of people that either liked it or didn't like it. It's music.....there's a reason why there are soooo many genres. If you love rock, you'll hate the rap/pop performers. If you love pop, you'll hate country and rock.....etc, etc.
Several things stood out to me about this yr.
#1 - since there are sooo many genres of music, I like the variety. And even though I generally don't care for rap a great deal, I do respect the variety.
#2 - I was really worried when this cast was announced that the performance would be super inappropriate. The SB is a family and general community event. Language should be tempered.....nudity/sex should be toned down.....etc. This year's performance was one of the more tame in recent memory.
1991 - New Kids on the Block and Disney
1993 - Michael Jackson
1994 - Clint Black, Tanya Tucker, Travis Tritt, Judds
1995 - Patti Labelle, Tony Bennett
1996 - Diana Ross
1997 - Blues Brothers, ZZ Top, James Brown
1998 - Boys II Men, Smokey Robinson, Temptations
1999 - Gloria Estafan, Stevie Wonder
2002 - U2
2005 - Paul McCartney
2006 - Rolling Stones
2008 - Tom Petty
2009 - Springsteen
2010 - The Who
2012 - Madonna
2022 - Dre, Snoop, Eminem, Blige
List of Super Bowl halftime shows - Wikipedia
You can go year by year and find a population of people that either liked it or didn't like it. It's music.....there's a reason why there are soooo many genres. If you love rock, you'll hate the rap/pop performers. If you love pop, you'll hate country and rock.....etc, etc.
Several things stood out to me about this yr.
#1 - since there are sooo many genres of music, I like the variety. And even though I generally don't care for rap a great deal, I do respect the variety.
#2 - I was really worried when this cast was announced that the performance would be super inappropriate. The SB is a family and general community event. Language should be tempered.....nudity/sex should be toned down.....etc. This year's performance was one of the more tame in recent memory.
They're not. I was going to give them they benefit of the doubt if they were actually curious, but no matter what you say they'll just dismiss it saying they know all they need to know and spew more ignorant trash.
Projection. This is what it’s like talking to the woke brigade who feels everyone is oppressed and needs white savior to save them from the evils of a meritocracy, personal responsibility, and the evil of having to get an ID.
Everyone hears the woke sermon on a GD daily basis.
I was literally quoting them. I gave that poster the benefit of the doubt and gave them great examples to go listen to if they wanted to see how rap music can be extremely varied in its style. I gave them examples of East Coast and West Coast Rap, Southern Rap, Rap with an actual live band performing the music, and two producers whose styles are completely different. Their literal response was:
So it seems to me like a reasonable thing to infer is that they're actually not interested in learning about it.
I don’t care for rap at all as I’ve gotten older. But I think Dre is very talented. As are groups like Outkast etc.. To say none of them have talent is false. But yeah, some of them don’t. It is just performance art with those guys.
Woke liberals making everything about race and lying about other people’s motivations. Who could have guessed?
Grumpy conservatives offended by cuss words and adult subject matter. Who would’ve guessed?
I said I liked the show.
But the “Wah! Blacks are too dumb to do anything” and “blacks are oppressed and we need another TV show to highlight this perpetual victimhood” is what should be offensive.
I mean, my God, the infantilization of blacks by white saviors is so obnoxious. I know you’re left as you make it clear no matter the issue but every white leftist thinks so lowly of blacks and then projects that thought on others. In addition, they believe no one else can properly speak except for this white savior who is hip to all of the issues and ideas his professor and TV instilled in them.
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Yeah, cuss words offend. LOL
Adult subject matter for the Super Bowl halftime show is inappropriate for the families and kids who watch. But, I don’t expect liberals have that kind of maturity.
Singing vs talking in rhymes with your mouth pressed up against the microphone are not the same things. Call singing "singing" and call rap "rhyming with music in the background and you gyrate up and down like a fart won't come out as you insult cops, women, white people, and gainful employment that doesn't involve criminal activity like shooting somebody over a drug deal or wearing the wrong color in your hood" for example. Kids look up to that. So maybe you cut down on the shootings if instead of blaming everyone else and the cops, you actually look at the statistics and realize you're doing it to each other because you idolize it in rhyming with music in the background and make it almost a right of passage in your hip-hop culture that maybe is way more toxic than the police ever could hope to be.
How many other "artists" drive around shooting each other? Did the Statler Brothers take a hit out on Marty Robbins or did Abba pop a cap in the Rolling Stones?
How many other "artists" drive around shooting each other? Did the Statler Brothers take a hit out on Marty Robbins or did Abba pop a cap in the Rolling Stones?
I feel a rabbit hole coming on that involves dem bitches from Hee Haw and probably implicates the King! This thread is about to triple in size!