Off topic.. Derby..
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Bet money is pooled, track takes their cut, then is divided among the winning tickets. That's why the payoff doesn't always match the odds. The only way the track can lose money is if there are so many winning tickets that the payoff is less than $2.10 per $2 ticket because the least they can pay by law is $2.10 per winning wager. I remember a race years ago that the winner paid $2.10 win, place, and show.
Not jerry Tipton is one of the best and funniest on Twitter.
Can’t really look the other way I don’t guess. Pandora’s box and horses and jockeys start getting hurt
Hugely affected. Got squeezed (smashed really) by move over from horse that moved up to fill void left when Max security move down onto WofW. Long Range was the horse that "almost went down" as alluded by Country's trainer post race. LRT dropped outta sight after that happened. Was he going to win? No. In the money? Not sure if LRT couldn't have rallied for chance at 3rd if none of that had happened.
This is gonna start a s)(*)storm on e nut the second I saw that it was a woman steward i told my family the decision will be whack. CH was claiming that he was collided into. Did MS collide into him? No. MS might have impeded WOW, who impeded 2 other horses, and one of those horses MIGHT have hit CH, but I didn't see it happen. Then it took forever to make her decision. If you can;t look at the replay immediately then it's not obvious, ergo, let the results stands.
as far as MS being DQ'ed, WOW, didn't complain abut being hindered. So how can you rule for CH when at best would have been 4th, without MS impeding WOW and the other ones, except CH.
MS was in the lead. If you run up his *** that's on you. We've all seen horses jostle and cut each other off with no penalty called.
as far as MS being DQ'ed, WOW, didn't complain abut being hindered. So how can you rule for CH when at best would have been 4th, without MS impeding WOW and the other ones, except CH.
MS was in the lead. If you run up his *** that's on you. We've all seen horses jostle and cut each other off with no penalty called.
Went to the Derby today. What a **** show of an ending. Most didn’t even know what had happened as the left right after the race.
You don’t make that call. You have tainted that. How can Mott and Country Horse feel any pride in that garbage?
I heard him say, “if this was a $10,000 race on Wednesday, it would be a no brainer.” There’s also not 19 horses in that race either nor is it historical.
MS is clearly the best horse. Should’ve let it stand. Instead, they **** all over the sport. It’s a huge black eye.
You don’t make that call. You have tainted that. How can Mott and Country Horse feel any pride in that garbage?
I heard him say, “if this was a $10,000 race on Wednesday, it would be a no brainer.” There’s also not 19 horses in that race either nor is it historical.
MS is clearly the best horse. Should’ve let it stand. Instead, they **** all over the sport. It’s a huge black eye.
It was the right call. Unfortunate but it happens. Lead horse looked like he jumped a puddle and drifted into War of Wills path. Costing him any chance to win. You can't give war of wills the win but the offending horse has to be penalized. Thus country house moves up. Bill Mott is a legendary horseman and deserves a derby win. The dq'd horse was much the best and it's a bad break. He can win the next 2 and redeem it.
Not to be a dick but you have no idea how pari mutual betting works. The track takes their cut called the takeout. The percent varies by type of bet and the rest goes to the winners. The track gets the same percentage of the bets no matter who wins.
precisely correct. I've never been able to figure out why this is so difficult to understand. The fact that odds are constantly changing should be explanation enough.
Maybe so. Probably so. But some might argue that War of Will had no business being where he was, and that WofW had already effectively disqualified himself for the illegal move he made coming off the rail and into Long Range Toddy / Bodexpress.
A better reason for DQ on Max might be the bump he put on Code of Honor when Max suddenly swung back down toward the rail. This could have disturbed CofH enough to keep him out of 2nd place (finished 3rd before the DQ). But again, Max may never have dropped back down toward the rail if he had not have ran into illegal running WofW.
Country House's trainer was right what he said after the race. There was a couple of horse that almost went down. LRT and BodeX. He wasn't referring to anything Max Security had done.
In retrospect, WoW would have been better served by staying on the rail. When MS drifted, that left that lane wide open. Wow would have had a clear shot. He may still have faded. We'll never know.
BS. WOW has the right to an unimpeded run in his lane & you can't move over such that the your *** is right in WOW's face thereby causing him to check & also move. There's not "might" about it. Sure MS can be there if gets there w/o stopping WOW. He didn't. End of story. You're a JA for mentioning woman. Glad you lost your bets.
WOW wouldn't have been so close to passing MS if MS was the best by far. Sure he ran away once he knocked off the best competition that was passing him.
Yea, don't know how anyone can saying MS was the best by far when he stopped WOW. **** move by Saez. Suspend him for 3 days.
I think Prat is a piece of **** and was jealous that he lost. If WOW made the inquiry, sure but it was the guy who got in second place who was not impacted by it.
That’s what I have a problem with and I imagine other jockeys will ostracize him.
That’s what I have a problem with and I imagine other jockeys will ostracize him.
Jon Court also filed an objection so make sure to hate him too.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/233490/country-house-awarded-kentucky-derby-via-dq
He only did it after Prat did. When one does it, others follow. Leave it to the crybaby French to do this. If Prat doesn’t do it, no one else does it.
People who are derby only horse racing fans I don't think understand what it does to a horse when he has to be completely checked up like War of Wills was. There is no way he can get back to top speed in an 1/8 of a mile. It cost him any chance to win the race. He may not have won anyway but he had no chance after that.
https://www.instagram.com/churchilldowns/p/BxD3YUWAft6/?igshid=14ackntoetlmh
No one will ever give a **** about Country Horse. People won’t pay to see him. No big breeding fee will take place. No one will bring this race up with pride.
One day out of the year where horse racing is the biggest sport in the world and you let a steward and crybaby jockey deliver a black eye.
No one will ever give a **** about Country Horse. People won’t pay to see him. No big breeding fee will take place. No one will bring this race up with pride.
One day out of the year where horse racing is the biggest sport in the world and you let a steward and crybaby jockey deliver a black eye.
Yes, the horse ahead of him blocked him and won the race. Good racing. Ask Dale Jr.
Just wondering for the people who don't think he should have been taken down. Would your opinion be the same if WOW would have gone down and he had been put down on the track? Because with the contact that took place, that was a very realistic thing to happen. That's actually why they have those rules about staying in your lane.
First female steward and you get this. I don’t care if it’s not PC, women are horrendous “leaders” and decision makers. The worst bosses to have are females. Why? Run by emotion and personal bias, lots of time feeling like they have a chip on their shoulder and need to make a name for themselves.
You’re going to put 19/20 horses (wild animals) on a muddy track and then DQ for a horse going wide before the jockey gets him back under control?
After 145 years and that’s the call that’s made?
WOW’s jockey had enough integrity to not cry about it. Prat, a total opportunistic POS found a way to get a win on a situation that had zero to do with him and in actuality, helped him.
That’s low class. The result should’ve stood.
It was an obvious infraction and the right call was made — and that is good for the sport. MS being the best horse has nothing to do with it. Whether the horse got scared by the crowd or the jockey just effed up, you’d have to be blind not to see he drifted out several lanes and caused multiple horses to bottle up.
Put a woman in power and these are the kinds of results you will get
American Pharoah didn’t run away with the Kentucky Derby and I don’t think anyone would argue against him being one of the GOAT.
You seem to be the only one whining about the call, so I’m guessing the fallout you’re hoping for isn’t going to happen.
Funniest thing I've read in this thread is that someone thinks it takes over an 8th of a mile for a racehorse to achieve top speed.
I’m the only one whining? Have you been on social media? It’s the most popular take. Apparently not. Were you there in person? No, you were not.
The jockeys should be able to use the whips against another jockeys
I know. The opinions of people on social media who watch racing 1 day a year loudly voicing their disapproval always makes me think twice.
These people are the same idiots that agreed with California Chrome's owner that you shouldn't be able to run in the Belmont without running in the first 2 legs. A bunch of people with very little to no knowledge of the sport agreed with him very loudly. They were damn sure wrong about agreeing with that statement.