Off topic.. Derby..

[mashburned]

Just wondering for the people who don't think he should have been taken down. Would your opinion be the same if WOW would have gone down and he had been put down on the track? Because with the contact that took place, that was a very realistic thing to happen. That's actually why they have those rules about staying in your lane.

Yea, if there was a lot more contact, something egregious that caused a horse to fall and die...probabaly. That circumstance would be a lot different.

That didn’t happen.

The KY Derby is for all the people that watch one race a year (...plus the British) and a team of idiots managed to ruin that one race in spectacular fashion.

 

[JBHolmesfan]

I’m the only one whining? Have you been on social media? It’s the most popular take. Apparently not. Were you there in person? No, you were not.

The only people I’ve seen complaining are those who bet on Maximum Security and those who aren’t racing fans or know the rules. I haven’t seen someone who disagreed with the call explain why it wasn’t a violation. The only argument is “you don’t call that in the Derby” and that’s not showing why what Maximum Security did was a legal move.

 

[mash_24]

Funniest thing I've read in this thread is that someone thinks it takes over an 8th of a mile for a racehorse to achieve top speed.

When he's already run over a mile and has to be checked up completely. Yeah it's nearly impossible for him to recover. It was a clear foul and the right call was made. Get over it.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

When he's already run over a mile and has to be checked up completely. Yeah it's nearly impossible for him to recover.

Checked up completely? That would be stopped. The incidental racing contact that occurred was not egregious enough to warrant changing the outcome of the race. It was a bad decision for any race and especially for that one.

 

[mash_24]

Checked up completely? That would be stopped. The incidental racing contact that occurred was not egregious enough to warrant changing the outcome of the race. It was a bad decision for any race and especially for that one.

We all have our opinions on it. If it wasn't the Derby I don't think it would have taken them but a couple minutes to take him down. My opinion is I don't think it should matter how big the race. The rule is the rule.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

It is not a common practice to DQ a horse in a race and they bump each other all the time. Do you think the same thing hasn't happened before in the 144 Derby's?

The letter of the rule was followed, but not the spirit or intent.

 

[Glenn's Take]

I just remembered. I had MS in the $2 Derby pool at the party I was at and had to give it back. With that in mind, I change my mind about it and it should have been changed and the stewards should all be drawn and quartered. They cost me $38. This country is too soft.

 

[JBHolmesfan]

Here’s a good video that shows how far Maximum Security veered off his path.

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

Too damn many horses

 

[Glenn's Take]

Too damn many horses

The only race in North America that allows more than 14 in horses that I know of.

 

[KingOfBBN]

We all have our opinions on it. If it wasn't the Derby I don't think it would have taken them but a couple minutes to take him down. My opinion is I don't think it should matter how big the race. The rule is the rule.

I bet you call three second violations in pickup basketball.

 

[KingOfBBN]

If you all think they’d pull that **** with a Baffert horse, you’re dreaming.

 

[mash_24]

I bet you call three second violations in pickup basketball.

Sorry you lost your bet.

 

[mash_24]

It is not a common practice to DQ a horse in a race and they bump each other all the time. Do you think the same thing hasn't happened before in the 144 Derby's?

The letter of the rule was followed, but not the spirit or intent.

It wasn't just a little bumping though. The horse blew the turn. Hell if those other horses hadn't been there he might have ended up on the outside rail.

 

[Tskware]

Here’s a good video that shows how far Maximum Security veered off his path.

That is a great shot and shows clearly what happened . . . but that still did not impede no. 20, he barely flinched, the other two horses were non factors. What I have not gotten is a straight answer on did any other jockeys file objections, or just Country House jock?

And for the record, I do think the Derby has to be judged differently if for no other reason than the 20 horse field which will absolutely make it a rough and tumble race annually.

 

[ky8335]

As bad as it is, if War of Will had taken a fall there we would be dealing with a pile up and who knows how many injuries/deaths.

Letter of the law is to dq Maximum Security.

But the spirit of the law is you don't change the outcome when you let that many damn horses run.

 

[Glenn's Take]

That is a great shot and shows clearly what happened . . . but that still did not impede no. 20, he barely flinched, the other two horses were non factors. What I have not gotten is a straight answer on did any other jockeys file objections, or just Country House jock?

And for the record, I do think the Derby has to be judged differently if for no other reason than the 20 horse field which will absolutely make it a rough and tumble race annually.

Yes, Jon Court also filed an objection. That is why he was placed 17 instead of 2nd.

 

[TortElvisII]

Too damn many horses

I do not bet the derby for this reason.

 

[UKRob 73]

It was absolutely the correct call.

 

[Blue63Madison]

It is not a common practice to DQ a horse in a race and they bump each other all the time. Do you think the same thing hasn't happened before in the 144 Derby's?

The letter of the rule was followed, but not the spirit or intent.

You’re arguing something that didn’t even happen. This wasn’t a bumping issue. Until you see it for what it actually was, your point doesn’t make much sense.

 

[Glenn's Take]

Yea, if there was a lot more contact, something egregious that caused a horse to fall and die...probabaly. That circumstance would be a lot different.

That didn’t happen.

The KY Derby is for all the people that watch one race a year (...plus the British) and a team of idiots managed to ruin that one race in spectacular fashion.

WOW's lead leg went between MS's hind legs. If you don't consider that being cut off I don't know what to tell you.

 

[KRJ1975]

I had MS on several tickets but the horse ****** up badly. He moved 5 paths and could have caused something catastrophic. I’m surprised it took them so long to take it off the board. Easy call.

 

[kevcat]

As a life long lover of horse racing, not to mention having a big win ticket on MS, it was absolutely the right call.

Look, I pay attention and wager on horses 3-4 days a week year around. Needless to say, I see tons of jockey objections and stewards inquiries. This was a no brainer.

By veering out, MS jeopardized the well being of two horses and jockeys. Actually, many more than that, considering the numerous horses that were behind the potential spill.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

I ended up winning $5.60 because of the DQ. So I'm fine with it.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

I don't get the "this is bad for the sport", crowd. The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. People are going to be talking about this for a long time, which is a good thing for horse racing. Hell, I'll take it a step further: had the horses clipped each other causing a massive pile-up, that would have also probably been good for horse racing.

 

[rmattox]

Just wondering for the people who don't think he should have been taken down. Would your opinion be the same if WOW would have gone down and he had been put down on the track? Because with the contact that took place, that was a very realistic thing to happen. That's actually why they have those rules about staying in your lane.

I hate it that it all happened; that MS was disqualified, but it was the right call. IMO, it's too bad the race couldn't have just had no winner. Everything could stay the same re: finish positions. They could split the $ among the top 5 qualifying finishers and have a vacant winner's spot. The problem I have is with CH being named the winner. He was not negatively impacted by MS changing lanes. Just put an asterisk next to #1 finisher in 2019 Ky Derby. "First finisher disqualified".

 

[Glenn's Take]

Just put an asterisk next to #1 finisher in 2019 Ky Derby. "First finisher disqualified".

Actually in the racing form it will have MS as the winner and CH finishing second and it will note under each either "disqualified and placed 17th" for MS and "placed first through disqualification" for CH so they do kind of asterisk it anyway.

 

[KingOfBBN]

When Alysheba almost went down twice, that would’ve been worthy of a DQ on the other horse. But this was not. People are arguing on “ what if’s” but MS showed he was the best horse.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Sorry you lost your bet.

I didn’t bet on MS. It didn’t matter to me financially. As a fan, yes, it really bothers me.

 

[Glenn's Take]

I didn’t bet on MS. It didn’t matter to me financially. As a fan, yes, it really bothers me.

Maybe try dog fighting.You ought to love it.

 

[dgtatu01]

I love when people who watch one or two horse races a year get really angry when a standard horse racing thing happens in the race they watch. If you were a fan of the sport you would know that horses are DQ'd for less than what Maximum Security did all the time. It's the jockeys fault for not controlling the horse. He lost fair and square and there was nothing sinister or misplaced about it.

 

[cole854]

Just wondering for the people who don't think he should have been taken down. Would your opinion be the same if WOW would have gone down and he had been put down on the track? Because with the contact that took place, that was a very realistic thing to happen. That's actually why they have those rules about staying in your lane.

Running 35mph around a turn in the slop 3 and 4 wide w/ the noise level off the charts for these young colts....there is going to be some jostling and some horses are going to get slammed. It happens in the turns quite often.

And how many races have you watched where a horse is done after the gate opens due to immediately being squeezed, bumped or worse. All part of the game.

You want to play the 'what if" game w/ the hypothetical accident, then what if MS had gone on to win by 10 lengths? Doesn't matter, does it...best horse won the race w/o any threat whatsoever, then CH is given the win after never leading, and never threatening the wire.

Had this been an egregious get out of my way maneuver in that 400 yard death stretch, then that would have been easier to swallow. Instead, you had 3 people change history forever, and it will be debated from now until.....

 

[cole854]

If you were a fan of the sport you would know that horses are DQ'd for less than what Maximum Security did all the time. It's the jockeys fault for not controlling the horse.

No, not all the time, and there are just as many that aren't DQ'd for worse.

And this statement: It's the jockeys fault for not controlling the horse......is just stupid. You ever been in a paddock when a horse decides he has had enough and the rider goes flying? Yep...jockey's fault.

 

[dgtatu01]

No, not all the time, and there are just as many that aren't DQ'd for worse.

And this statement: It's the jockeys fault for not controlling the horse......is just stupid. You ever been in a paddock when a horse decides he has had enough and the rider goes flying? Yep...jockey's fault.

Well then it's the horses fault. Still a fair DQ.

 

[wkycatfan_rivals376690]

As a life long lover of horse racing, not to mention having a big win ticket on MS, it was absolutely the right call.

Look, I pay attention and wager on horses 3-4 days a week year around. Needless to say, I see tons of jockey objections and stewards inquiries. This was a no brainer.

By veering out, MS jeopardized the well being of two horses and jockeys. Actually, many more than that, considering the numerous horses that were behind the potential spill.

Well said. The more I watch it, the more I'm in favor of the DQ. At first I didn't see it, then I saw it, but figured it was an something the horse did, and jockey didn't control him and had no intent. Now I'm not sure about the intent. Horses were making a move up the middle to the right of MS.

 

[homeytheclown]

I don't get the "this is bad for the sport", crowd. The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. People are going to be talking about this for a long time, which is a good thing for horse racing. Hell, I'll take it a step further: had the horses clipped each other causing a massive pile-up, that would have also probably been good for horse racing.

No that would have been very bad the second part you mentioned

 

[wfm101981]

Ffs... I am an avid horse racing fan. I had Maximum Security on top of an exact for 2 bux. 7 over all. Cost me 38 for the ticket. Had other bets too. In regards to the Inquiry... 100 percent horse had to be taken down and put Under Long Range Toddy. He interfered with WOW, who then had to check and interfere with Long Range Toddy LRT had some horse left to finish decent, and WOW after he got checked, Tyler Gafflione had to shake him up again.. he did respond and had horse left to make a decent run. I missed out on 900 bux for the 2 dollar exacta MS over all but the Take Down waswarranted. .

 

[rmattox]

I don't know horse racing rules, but if what MS did was a violation of rules, the officials made the proper call. The role of officials in any sport is to simply determine if a rules violation occurred and, if so, apply the prescribed penalty.
Officials should NEVER be charged with or allowed to use discretion as to when to apply a rule.

That is the absolute, #1 problem with cbb and nba. Constant griping about officiating is due to the inconsistency in applying rules. Those that say " That foul or violation should never be called at that time in the game or under those circumstances" are wrong. It is the inconsistency caused by this very thing that has ruined bb. Horse racing and any other sport would be wise to support the consistent application of rules as they are written. If they don't want the "3 second rule" called, then remove it from the books.

I'd bet my last cup of coffee that if dook had a player camping under the basket for 4-5 seconds then made a last second shot to beat Ky, fans would be complaining for the next several decades. Call it by the book.

 

[wkycatfan_rivals376690]

i know a couple of people who say you shouldn't DQ in the derby like that, but its okay for garden variety races. I hate that. Almost like refs swallowing their whistle at the end of basektball games. Call it the same, all the time.

 

[wfm101981]

i know a couple of people who say you shouldn't DQ in the derby like that, but its okay for garden variety races. I hate that. Almost like refs swallowing their whistle at the end of basektball games. Call it the same, all the time.

Ms stopped momentum on 2 horses. Wow was loaded trying to get thru on MS outside. Long range had horse left,, possibly finished in top 5 (purse money places). MS had ta come down. Country house was just lucky to not get checked. It creates tremendous value for the Preakness. I love love AlwaysMining. If he is over 5 to 1 it's a gift.