Offense- Schematic Disadvantage

[Ru-baby]

It appears there needs to be some serious thought put into the offensive scheme. It is built to win when there is near equal or superior athletes. Over the last four years the results have shown that. Rutgers can pound the ball and play good defense, and beat teams that they are near in talent or superior too.

Today against Wisconsin was an example of the opposite. Wisconsin had better line play and superior talent. Trying to outmuscle them and play straightforward without any motion without any misdirection or without any trick plays produced the result we saw.

In essence, a predictable scenario produced a predictable outcome. This program does not currently have the depth to survive key injuries, or to play against superior talent, teams, and just lineup without any scheme advantage.

This year there are a number of games on the schedule where the talent will be greater. Just lining up and trying to play straightforward will produce a predictable result. There needs to be thought to a new offensive scheme that allows the scheme to produce results that limits the talent differential.

On defense, in general, I feel that the scheme has not been limiting. Today it’s the extreme lack of talent at the linebacker position and the somewhat lesser talent on the defensive line that caused the problems. The scheme didn’t really hold it back in a tremendous way. The office is quite different and is producing predictable results That require a real rethinking of a scheme that allows the talent differential to be bridged to the best it can be.

 

[beaced_rivals]

It appears there needs to be some serious thought put into the offensive scheme. It is built to win when there is near equal or superior athletes. Over the last four years the results have shown that. Rutgers can pound the ball and play good defense, and beat teams that they are near in talent or superior too.

Today against Wisconsin was an example of the opposite. Wisconsin had better line play and superior talent. Trying to outmuscle them and play straightforward without any motion without any misdirection or without any trick plays produced the result we saw.

In essence, a predictable scenario produced a predictable outcome. This program does not currently have the depth to survive key injuries, or to play against superior talent, teams, and just lineup without any scheme advantage.

This year there are a number of games on the schedule where the talent will be greater. Just lining up and trying to play straightforward will produce a predictable result. There needs to be thought to a new offensive scheme that allows the scheme to produce results that limits the talent differential.

On defense, in general, I feel that the scheme has not been limiting. Today it’s the extreme lack of talent at the linebacker position and the somewhat lesser talent on the defensive line that caused the problems. The scheme didn’t really hold it back in a tremendous way. The office is quite different and is producing predictable results That require a real rethinking of a scheme that allows the talent differential to be bridged to the best it can be.

Send a copy
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[BillyC80]

It appears there needs to be some serious thought put into the offensive scheme. It is built to win when there is near equal or superior athletes. Over the last four years the results have shown that. Rutgers can pound the ball and play good defense, and beat teams that they are near in talent or superior too.

Today against Wisconsin was an example of the opposite. Wisconsin had better line play and superior talent. Trying to outmuscle them and play straightforward without any motion without any misdirection or without any trick plays produced the result we saw.

In essence, a predictable scenario produced a predictable outcome. This program does not currently have the depth to survive key injuries, or to play against superior talent, teams, and just lineup without any scheme advantage.

This year there are a number of games on the schedule where the talent will be greater. Just lining up and trying to play straightforward will produce a predictable result. There needs to be thought to a new offensive scheme that allows the scheme to produce results that limits the talent differential.

On defense, in general, I feel that the scheme has not been limiting. Today it’s the extreme lack of talent at the linebacker position and the somewhat lesser talent on the defensive line that caused the problems. The scheme didn’t really hold it back in a tremendous way. The office is quite different and is producing predictable results That require a real rethinking of a scheme that allows the talent differential to be bridged to the best it can be.

There is absolutely no deception in our offensive play calling.

 

[RUboston]

We have to be the easiest team to defend. Stop Monongai up the middle and there isn't much else to worry about.

 

[kupuna133]

Whats funny is people keep saying that a defensive minded coach wants to win this way. Low scoring time consuming drives. But what defensive minded coach wants to put more pressure on themselves to have to win the game on their side of ball? Going to guess none. They want a person equally as efficient on their side of the ball as they are. They want someone to put points on the board and run it up.

 

[RCBeta79]

Today, the wheels fell off the wagon.
All coaches should run laps around the field with the players!

 

[Shelby65]

There is absolutely no deception in our offensive play calling.

No deception, but it’s not predictable either. Pre-snap they are excellent at disguising if it will be a 1 yard loss or an incomplete pass.

 

[Rufaninga]

We need to change our Mantra from "The ball is the program" to "scoring is the program"

 

[Brisket and Bourbon]

No deception, but it’s not predictable either. Pre-snap they are excellent at disguising if it will be a 1 yard loss or an incomplete pass.

The bitchiness of this just made me laugh…

 

[Shelby65]

Why all the disgust ? We were just one good snap away from probably making the FG and losing by 32 instead of 35 ?

 

[NickRU714]

Note: I didn't get to watch the game.
These are just general offensive advantages that any team could and should use:

1. Pre-Snap Motion: This is universally accepted as a major offensive advantage. It makes press coverage more difficult. Could possibly provide an indicator of zone/man coverage.
2. No Huddle: This makes defensive substitutions extremely difficult
3. Hurry to the LOS: Coaches can now talk to the QB until 15 seconds left on play clock. It doesn't just have to be calling in the play. If the QB gets to the line with 25 seconds left, for example it allows the staff to read the defense as well and give the QB options.

 

[Ru-baby]

This has devolved into the anti GS crusaders and was not the intent. A lot good with the program.

The schematic disadvantage is one thing that does need change. Doesnt mean we still cant be a run first team. Nick's suggestions above at a minimum would allow KM to run in space instead of "hey 11 defenders here comes a handoff once youre set and stacking the box".

This is not a throw the baby out with the bathwater type of situation. It's rather a philosophical change to seek a scheme advantage where posssible, which clearly hasnt been a priority.

 

[runner1954]

My grandsons pop Warner team runs a better offense

 

[Shelby65]

Note: I didn't get to watch the game.
These are just general offensive advantages that any team could and should use:

1. Pre-Snap Motion: This is universally accepted as a major offensive advantage. It makes press coverage more difficult. Could possibly provide an indicator of zone/man coverage.
2. No Huddle: This makes defensive substitutions extremely difficult
3. Hurry to the LOS: Coaches can now talk to the QB until 15 seconds left on play clock. It doesn't just have to be calling in the play. If the QB gets to the line with 25 seconds left, for example it allows the staff to read the defense as well and give the QB options.

Motion doesnt accomplish anything if the defense only needs to stop the guy next to the QB in the backfield.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”​

― Sun tzu, The Art of War

Deception and aggressive playcalling. We need both.. we get none. Morale too, is adversely affected because of this.. so is recruiting.

I thought the end of teh Huskers game.. where we threw deep successfully.. even with the drop... would give us the idea of repeating that.. but early this time to open up the run.

Teams are facing us ready.. even fired up.. to stop Monangai. We need to start punishing them for that right from the first snap.. and KEEP IT UP. Today we ran AK.. good. But follow that with a playaction pass right were an LB would want to come up to stop KM... run AK again. Playaction to KM and then pass to KM out ion the flat after clearing it out.

And for gods sake.. stop bringing wideouts in right before you run at their area.. how about spreading teh field (and throw to them to make sure teh D respects the spread) and then run KM vs 6-man fronts with no one nearby to help?

And stop throwing to Fletcher.. he has had zero YAC for some time now. Set up his catches better by getting KM and AK runs more success and threaten the LB's defending Fletcher then throw it there. That is what worked previously.. not these LOS passes to a covered Fletcher.

This ain't rocket science.

What I fear is.. GS will just think.. we can outmuscle UCLA.. right? So he might challenge the team to do just that. Overpower. Instead of fool.. maximize gains.. be aggressive.. transfer that feeling of really getting after it on both sides of the ball to the players called upon to do just that. (I suggest this because of the number of times we have been at the goalline and he just wants runs up the middle.. win that battle even when we have lost a few times in a row).

 

[Ru-baby]

Oregon osu offenses feel like a whole different animal.

Ucla perfect game to try expanded offense

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

This guy is 77.. lives in Harrison NY.. what's he up to? Send a limo.. a big one.. get some consulting. hell. send the offensive coaches to him or any other offensive guru we can get thinking about our problems... I am not sure we have the answers inside the program..

 

[TommyGunn_rivals157283]

Comparing our s—t vanilla scheme vs what PSU displayed today for example. They are hardly an offensive juggernaut, but had a great gameplan today. Varied formations and lots of creativity. We run the same bloody formation 90% of the time. Shotgun, 3 wide, tight end, half back. And half the time it’s a run up the middle. Yawn.

 

[Knight Shift]

This guy is 77.. lives in Harrison NY.. what's he up to? Send a limo.. a big one.. get some consulting. hell. send the offensive coaches to him or any other offensive guru we can get thinking about our problems... I am not sure we have the answers inside the program..

Maybe we could convince Jerry Kill to come back and bring Diego Pavia with him.

On defense- maybe Corey Hetherman was the genius behind the defense.

 

[Ru-baby]

Feel better about the D--To me it's clearly a taqlent issue and nowhere more striking than the other than Djabome lbs who played yesterday. Their wrong angles, out of position play and just plain getting pushed around and out of plays, led to the big plays (and the big plays in past weeks). The lb play is jarring. Said weeks ago we are a Powell injury from things getting scary, and yesterday it came to be. The scheme is not the problem on D (although maybe you move Dixon if healthy to a Khaseem Green like lb with Djabome if Powell hurt as the others shouldnt be out there).

On O, it's different story as per above. With a once in a good while (since Rice) back in KM, you HAVE TO find ways to decive the opposing D and give KM room to run. THis requires rethinking the current scheme and planning. Hope that is deeply underway.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

No deception, but it’s not predictable either. Pre-snap they are excellent at disguising if it will be a 1 yard loss or an incomplete pass.

Sometimes either result is given away when an OL yells "lookout" after whiffing on a block.

 

[ashokan]

I keep saying "execute and you win" worked in the 70s-90s.
It doesn't work when teams with better players are also executing.

 

[dontestrond]

This is why it’s bad

1. Marquise Watson
2. Corey Heatherman
3. Mo Toure
4. Tyreem Powell
5. Rene Konga
6. Bryan Felter

 

[ddsmugs]

If we want to run....why no plays with 2 backs?
Have we seen the QB run with lead blocker Monangai this season like last year?

 

[robertsmith1782]

KC is mediocre at best
Over paying for him was a huge huge mistake

 

[kupuna133]

This is why it’s bad

1. Marquise Watson
2. Corey Heatherman
3. Mo Toure
4. Tyreem Powell
5. Rene Konga
6. Bryan Felter

Yep. Injuries happen and the defensive side has been hit hard specifically LB. But people forget that we lost 2 key defensive coaches. And both of those units are noticeably weaker this year amd much of it is due to technique.

 

[tico brown]

Maybe we could convince Jerry Kill to come back and bring Diego Pavia with him.

On defense- maybe Corey Hetherman was the genius behind the defense.

This guy is 77.. lives in Harrison NY.. what's he up to? Send a limo.. a big one.. get some consulting. hell. send the offensive coaches to him or any other offensive guru we can get thinking about our problems... I am not sure we have the answers inside the program..

See what the Vanderbilt offense has done this year. It’s a running team but you have no idea what/ how they’re going to run the ball.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Yep. Injuries happen and the defensive side has been hit hard specifically LB. But people forget that we lost 2 key defensive coaches. And both of those units are noticeably weaker this year amd much of it is due to technique.

Powell being limited is a big loss. Him tearing his Achilles was glossed over. It usually takes a year to come back from that injury. The coaching point is spot on.

 

[RU Cheese]

Yes the defense is injured.

But there is no excusing the offensive ineptitude. Multiple years, different coordinators, same lack of results. It's vanilla, predictable, out-dated, and arguably worst in P5.

 

[CERU00]

This guy is 77.. lives in Harrison NY.. what's he up to? Send a limo.. a big one.. get some consulting. hell. send the offensive coaches to him or any other offensive guru we can get thinking about our problems... I am not sure we have the answers inside the program..

We surely do not. We should be willing to pay any price for his services.

 

[tico brown]

We surely do not. We should be willing to pay any price for his services.

How about someone who runs a similar offense, like someone in Vandy OC Tim Beck’s contact list or someone in Todd and Jeff Monden’s universe who can run a running type offense?

It’s too bad with the exception of Gleeson’s first year, when the offense looked modern enough to function ok, Schiano’s insistence of playing HIS Caveman Football continues to hold this team back. Esp when he waited until all of the good OCs were hired, to hire KC that January.

 

[Ru-baby]

It's too bad in some ways UCLA is next.

It is a game that can be won with the motionless, non deceptive offense. Which would retard the systemic offensive philosophy change needed to win against more talented deep teams.

Hoping we see motion, p;ay action, and perhaps a trick play this week (and Black returnig kick offs)

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Feel better about the D--To me it's clearly a taqlent issue and nowhere more striking than the other than Djabome lbs who played yesterday. Their wrong angles, out of position play and just plain getting pushed around and out of plays, led to the big plays (and the big plays in past weeks). The lb play is jarring. Said weeks ago we are a Powell injury from things getting scary, and yesterday it came to be. The scheme is not the problem on D (although maybe you move Dixon if healthy to a Khaseem Green like lb with Djabome if Powell hurt as the others shouldnt be out there).

On O, it's different story as per above. With a once in a good while (since Rice) back in KM, you HAVE TO find ways to decive the opposing D and give KM room to run. THis requires rethinking the current scheme and planning. Hope that is deeply underway.

I caught Powell out of position in the past.. but boy did he also clean up others messes at other times. We miss him.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

It's too bad in some ways UCLA is next.

It is a game that can be won with the motionless, non deceptive offense. Which would retard the systemic offensive philosophy change needed to win against more talented deep teams.

Hoping we see motion, p;ay action, and perhaps a trick play this week (and Black returnig kick offs)

A returned kickoff would be a trick play, considering the inflatable arm waving tube man imitations we've seen on kickoffs and punts this season.

 

[Rokodesh]

Oregon osu offenses feel like a whole different animal.

Ucla perfect game to try expanded offense

UCLA should send 8-9 blitzers on every down.

The OL can't hold up and Athan panics when pressured.