There isn't going to be a return to those days, IMO. It's too big to fail now. I would not expect a playoff run for the next 2 years but after that it could happen
We absolutely are not too big to fail.
There isn't going to be a return to those days, IMO. It's too big to fail now. I would not expect a playoff run for the next 2 years but after that it could happen
Come off the ledge.Well, I can’t see this imbecile making it much further after completely nuking the football program in a matter of 6 weeks.
I don’t follow a lot of other ADs around the country, who we going after?
I think you underestimate how far a program can fall if they don’t have the right coach leading the way with recruiting, NIL, and the portal. This is BIG business + football and it is very cutthroat. If they hire the wrong guy, PSU football will sink like a stone. If Kraft would have handled this properly, this could have been more seamless and not been a total rebuild with playoff potential immediately. It’s going to be a total rebuild now.There isn't going to be a return to those days, IMO. It's too big to fail now. I would not expect a playoff run for the next 2 years but after that it could happen
Sign in to Facebook or Instagram and take a look around. Kraft will be fired by Christmas.There have been a lot of retarded threads on this site over the years but this might be the most retarded. Unless you wanted a Kiffin situation this was always what was going to happen. Yes we are fans but to start a thread to fire the AD because he hasn't met your timeline for hiring a coach probably means you need to start taking your meds again. Guess what if he fired Franklin Sunday everything is still the same except Franklin wasn't hired by VT and none of the recruits would be signing on Wednesday they would be waiting for February to see how it all played out. Plus Kraft wouldn't have had interviews set up yet. If we end up settling you can complain all you want but settling probably means Terry is the coach. Until then NO ONE has any idea whats going on. Every single insider has been WRONG all along so sit back take a valium and relax.
Thanks for making my point.Sign in to Facebook or Instagram and take a look around. Kraft will be fired by Christmas.
Just who are we trusting to make the right decisions on that front.Well, I can’t see this imbecile making it much further after completely nuking the football program in a matter of 6 weeks.
I don’t follow a lot of other ADs around the country, who we going after?
You are factually wrong. Cignetti was an assistant coach and recruiting coordinator for several power football schools, including Bama during the first championship year of their Saban run. Cignetti learned from the very best and saw how to run a top-tier program. Chesney has none of that at all. But again, Chesney is better than no coach, which is where our idiot AD sits now in his “search.”Neither did Cignetti and he took the best players with him to Indiana and left Chesney nothing and he has gone 20-5!
Chesney was THE hire but Kraft was to much of an idiot to see it. When UCLA kicks our a$$ over the next decade it will be clear Kraft screwed this up. EPIC FAIL.
I don't attach much weight to social media, but I'm all for that.Sign in to Facebook or Instagram and take a look around. Kraft will be fired by Christmas.
To hell with that, let them all jump.
Anybody who claims they know what Kraft is planning, or that he doesn't have a plan, is more full of **** than the average politician. That goes for people on here and in the media.There have been a lot of retarded threads on this site over the years but this might be the most retarded. Unless you wanted a Kiffin situation this was always what was going to happen. Yes we are fans but to start a thread to fire the AD because he hasn't met your timeline for hiring a coach probably means you need to start taking your meds again. Guess what if he fired Franklin Sunday everything is still the same except Franklin wasn't hired by VT and none of the recruits would be signing on Wednesday they would be waiting for February to see how it all played out. Plus Kraft wouldn't have had interviews set up yet. If we end up settling you can complain all you want but settling probably means Terry is the coach. Until then NO ONE has any idea whats going on. Every single insider has been WRONG all along so sit back take a valium and relax.
But of course.Apparently Sandy was less toxic when dealing with Jimmy Sexton than Kraft . She just showed him the money . Todd McShsy- Now the skinny is Sexton won’t deal with Kraft and just using him to inflate salaries .![]()
No one’s jumping off the edge. It’s a comment board.My god! The whining! Make it stop!
My good people, it's football. Yeah, it's important, but it isn't THAT important. It is also NOT rocket science. Bring in the best kids you can find, develop them, coach them up, and strap on the pads. Let it play out and we'll all see what happens.
Step back from the edge of the abyss!
So Kraft’s critics should wait to criticize until he actually hires some one but you think he has done a masterful job before he has. Got it.If PSU ends up with Sitaki, Brohm, or Hartline that's a win IMO (also hear Key may still be in play - also a win IMO). I am particularly intrigued by Sitaki - was courted by Oregon and he turned them down. They worship him at BYU. He's 100% out of the box and off radar hire no one was talking about seriously for PSU until 48 days into a 50+ day long search. If it is him, I think we get a fresh new perspective and near sea change from the last HC/staff, and while that will come with challenges (recruiting mostly), also comes with some advantages (more West Coast ties). Mostly Sitaki does it on the field, which is really what matters. Since 2020 only these teams have won more games than BYU: Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Clemson. Since 2020, BYU's record against ranked teams (Top 25) is 14-5. By comparison, PSU is 7-17.
Fell like Kraft has done a masterful job here; if not for the Latter Day Saints and the Crumbl Cookie guy, PSU would have their man and it would have been a solid A hire IMO. If Hartline is the backup, I like that a lot too. The doom and gloom here is wild.
So Kraft’s critics should wait to criticize until he actually hires some one but you think he has done a masterful job before he has. Got it.
Sorry, there’s a very good chance our roster is worse than Rutgers.That's histrionic. There is no way the roster is worse than Temple. We'll see who the coach is and if they can bring along some talent. The portal will need to be leveraged to a degree that we've never seen prior. Current players are gonna leave, no doubt. Sometimes that's not a bad thing. The recruiting class is pretty much a bust.
We'll come back to this in Feb and see how people feel about 2026
If the talk about the BYU coach is true, then it absolutely means Kraft has no options after this many weeks. I was hoping he had someone hired and was waiting for the CCG’s to be over, but if he was actually bidding against BYU to get their coach, that means he has no one lined up. So this is likely way worse than if he would have fire Franklin at the end of the season. Also, if he would have waited, he would have seen that there aren’t many good coaches available and this might not be the best time to fire Franklin at all.There have been a lot of retarded threads on this site over the years but this might be the most retarded. Unless you wanted a Kiffin situation this was always what was going to happen. Yes we are fans but to start a thread to fire the AD because he hasn't met your timeline for hiring a coach probably means you need to start taking your meds again. Guess what if he fired Franklin Sunday everything is still the same except Franklin wasn't hired by VT and none of the recruits would be signing on Wednesday they would be waiting for February to see how it all played out. Plus Kraft wouldn't have had interviews set up yet. If we end up settling you can complain all you want but settling probably means Terry is the coach. Until then NO ONE has any idea whats going on. Every single insider has been WRONG all along so sit back take a valium and relax.
Two things can be true at the same time. The effort I think has been solid; the results? We'll see. Could be a spectacular effort with a dud result - I guess we'll see.
IMO, Kraft has done an excellent job in designing a process that was flawed from the start.Kraft is the leader of one of the largest athletic programs in the country. Effort is not a metric for which Kraft will be judged. Where Kraft has failed (so far) is in designing a process that was flawed from the start. Any experienced project manager could have predicted the train wreck this process has become.
There is not one good reason it should take any major power program nearly 2 months to find a football coach. This is a competence issue.
Get ready for it: 2026 will be basically 2000-2004. If we are lucky.
Kraft is living proof of that.We absolutely are not too big to fail.
Fire Him.I think you underestimate how far a program can fall if they don’t have the right coach leading the way with recruiting, NIL, and the portal. This is BIG business + football and it is very cutthroat. If they hire the wrong guy, PSU football will sink like a stone. If Kraft would have handled this properly, this could have been more seamless and not been a total rebuild with playoff potential immediately. It’s going to be a total rebuild now.
IMO, Kraft has done an excellent job in designing a process that was flawed from the start.
If one wanted to design a flawed process, this would be the template.
You’re response doesn’t make it any less true.
Not everyone wanted Franklin gone and certainly not if Kraft didn’t have something solid lined up for a replacement plan. Sorry, you don’t get rid of a coach six games after his best season to take a flyer on an unknown or to roll the dice that you’ll get a big name. That doesn’t make me less of a Penn State supporter….it makes me someone who doesn’t cut off my nose to spite my face.First off Efejle has been a broken record throughout this whole process-Hire Terry\Fire Kraft every time his parents let him out of the basement and give him access to the computer, it's excessive to the point its sickening. Everyone wanted Franklin gone, Kraft did it, and now everyone's a doom and gloomer because a new coach hasn't been hired by their timeframe. Wah, Wah, Wah! We don't know who all he's vetted for the job, only who we're told by the "insiders" and "talking heads". How do we know he didn't have an agreement in place with someone and they used it to get a better offer from their current employer? We don't know anything other than PSU hasn't hired anyone yet-to our knowledge. Who knows what next year will bring but I'm not ready to write it off yet; if you are get off and find another team. I've been supporting this team since the 60's, through thick and thin, and will until I'm no longer able. Fans that want to whine and bittch, spew doom and gloom, and cry because they don't have a coach in their perceived time frame are not true Penn State supporters. If Kraft fails at landing a quality coach to succeed Franklin than call for his head, until then let things play out and STFU!
You're right, not everyone wanted Franklin fired, just the vast majority of fans, alumni and keyboard warriors on these message boards. It was so bad that for the first time in Penn State history there were chants for a coach to be fired-what was Kraft to do? The team had quit on Franklin and Franklin had quit on the team-would you as AD let your coach continue under those circumstances? Who knows what the big donors were saying and there's the big stadium renovation to pay for. The homecoming loss to Northwestern and Fire Franklin chants were the final straws and left Kraft no choice, imagine the fallout should he had let Franklin finish the season and they lost out? I'm sure Kraft didn't have a list of coaches in waiting, nor need to have anyone lined up, as he never imagined he'd be in that situation after 6 games this season but there he was. Who knows what coaches he's reached out to, what negotiations have taken place, etc., all we know is there no permanent football coach in place.Not everyone wanted Franklin gone and certainly not if Kraft didn’t have something solid lined up for a replacement plan. Sorry, you don’t get rid of a coach six games after his best season to take a flyer on an unknown or to roll the dice that you’ll get a big name. That doesn’t make me less of a Penn State supporter….it makes me someone who doesn’t cut off my nose to spite my face.
We also don’t know what or if Kraft said or did anything that led Franklin to”give up on the team”. Does every coach get fired after having a bad start to a season especially after coming off his best year ever? I kinda doubt it.You're right, not everyone wanted Franklin fired, just the vast majority of fans, alumni and keyboard warriors on these message boards. It was so bad that for the first time in Penn State history there were chants for a coach to be fired-what was Kraft to do? The team had quit on Franklin and Franklin had quit on the team-would you as AD let your coach continue under those circumstances? Who knows what the big donors were saying and there's the big stadium renovation to pay for. The homecoming loss to Northwestern and Fire Franklin chants were the final straws and left Kraft no choice, imagine the fallout should he had let Franklin finish the season and they lost out? I'm sure Kraft didn't have a list of coaches in waiting, nor need to have anyone lined up, as he never imagined he'd be in that situation after 6 games this season but there he was. Who knows what coaches he's reached out to, what negotiations have taken place, etc., all we know is there no permanent football coach in place.