Official CFB Semifinal, PSU - Notre Dame, Orange Bowl, game thread
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This is true.
Lots of dogfights this year, including the OSU and Oregon games when we were outmatched on talent but fought like hell. Credit where credit due.
Tough to win without a passing game. Even mediocre teams are able to get mediocre WRs open a few times a game.
10-2 and if we get another gifted bracket, see you in the final 4
It’s even worse than you can imagine. I licked your scone before you purchased it.As I get ready to head out this morning for scones and lattes for my wife and me, I look at my closet full of Penn State jackets and say, “Why? Why do you do this to yourself?” Of course, I went out dressed like an idiot. Penn State. For f*ck’s sake.
, I went out dressed like an idiot
I love this so much. I on the other hand am rocking my birds hat.
I love this so much. I on the other hand am rocking my birds hat.
Yes, we lost to 3 "decent" teams. But we also beat some decent teams. SMU is a decent team. They may arguably be better than Indiana. Boise St. almost knocked of Oregon at Oregon. USC was up and down, but had some nice wins. I agree we had a great opportunity this year and we didn't completely embrace it. But here is where I'm at with the program. We are close. There are some positions we need to recruit better, ala WR and DT. But we are pretty damn close. You couldn't claim that 5 years ago. But this now. And now I believe we are very relevant and part of the conversation. You couldn't say that 5 years ago. Heck, I can even sit down with my Bama and Georgia fans and claim we were better than them this year. So don't be so down on us my friend. We are very good football program on the rise. In some ways our progression is similar to Georgia's. Look at all those disappointing losses that the Dawgs suffered before finally got over the hump. I will say, I am more optimistic about our program, even after last night's loss, than I have been since 2010.
Like ground dog day…when is enough is enough? Zero accountability.
If Sandy does not offer contract terms that were not earned, this merry-go-round could have ended years ago.
Her gross incompetence has cost dear ole’ State dearly!
Good perspective.
Not devastated.
Result was very predictable. It does not take a genius…just look at past results.
All true.
Yet other coaches are able to win a game.
Exhibit A: Marcus Freeman. He faces same issues as Franklin. Yet he managed to win a game with a really banged up team.
because we couldn’t take the top off the ND D, Allar basically faced a “red zone” defensive look on every snap. ND was able to cheat up and never pay for the cheat. I’m surprised we ran the ball as well as we did.
I give the year an A for fun, highlighted with our USC weekend.
Next year we go 10-2 and I’ll be looking for free grub O weekend
Cheers Boys. CTR
I give the year an A for fun, highlighted with our USC weekend.
Next year we go 10-2 and I’ll be looking for free grub O weekend
Cheers Boys. CTR
No. Not at all. This is where part of our fanbase becomes delusional with moving goalposts. Not all of those Michigan teams win the Natty. The 99 Michigan team finished 10-2 and ranked 5th. PSU suffered their first loss the previous week to Minnesota at home, but they were still in the thick of things if they won out. They collapsed, at home, the following week against Michigan. The 2005 Michigan team finished 7-5. Both games were winnable and PSU couldn’t close the deal. The 1997 PSU/Michigan game was an embarrassment. PSU was ranked #2 going into that game and Michigan was #4. Michigan came into Beaver Stadium and steamrolled PSU 34-8. It was a curb stomping. Big games are big games and people can’t say “Joe won big games…all the time.” That’s nonsense and frankly an insult to anyone with an objective opinion despite PSU ties.
This is where I get a little frustrated also. Do people not realize the other team has got to this point for a reason also? They’re pretty good and they have good athletes with resolve. None of the playoff games should be easy. That’s why those teams made it to the playoffs. They have a proven body of work during the season.
Franklin’s job, with all the extenuating circumstances of today’s game and culture is far more difficult than previous generations. I’m sure the previous generations coaches would tell us the same also.
Yes. By 3 points off an unforced error. That’s how games go. Freeman also lost at home to a MAC team as a big favorite. He has lost to Marshall also. If you were a ND fan you would have been calling for his head, but you ignore that to bash Franklin in this instance. Not sure why you even watch if it bothers you that much.
My biggest concern for this game was PSU's propensity to make big mistakes at critical times. The DB falling down and Allar's interception were the most costly. Eliminate just one of those and PSU probably wins.
Allar throwing a crappy pass to Singleton on the goal line and our inability to recover ND's fumble before halftime were not as bad but possibly just as costly.
ND had two big mistakes with the interceptions but those were more due to outstanding defensive plays by PSU. PSU's mistakes were more of the shooting oneself in the foot variety. Seemed to be happening all season, including the playoffs.
Allar throwing a crappy pass to Singleton on the goal line and our inability to recover ND's fumble before halftime were not as bad but possibly just as costly.
ND had two big mistakes with the interceptions but those were more due to outstanding defensive plays by PSU. PSU's mistakes were more of the shooting oneself in the foot variety. Seemed to be happening all season, including the playoffs.
I think most people say “most of the time”…they certainly would not say “once”
But, didn’t you say, “all the time.”? 13-33. The facts you ignore. You have zero objectivity.
It only bothers me to the extent there is no accountability. If this was a one-off or a 50% occurrence or oven an 80% occurance.
Franklin has won exactly one o-n-e game where we had less talent. Since 2014!
Abysmal by any measure.
He should have been held accountable for this long ago.
Every sports fan knows this and they are laughing.
Sad that so many accept it…boo birds were out this year…even at the playoff game. Maybe when people start not showing up will something finally be done about it.
But to each their own…
And we needed to “sweep the knee” after those turnovers. Need to turn those TOs into TDs.
You should apply for HC since you have all the answers.
Joe doesnt win all the big games, but won enough and lost some he definately should have. More than most coaches..No? Joe earned some currency No?
I am not a Franklin hater..I love the way he has represented the school so well..his positive approach. I want him to be successful, he has very little currency established that allows him to be immune to criticism. He hasn't changed..not Xs and Os here.. The cultural approach and his logic..he is overly a players coach.. He needs to be tougher IMHO. I can elobirate on a few examples but we know them.
And if it matters.. Back in 02' at the WPB Marriot with few hundred peolle in the room I indirectly challenged Joe on his recruiting strategy-the entire room clapped after my question. Remember our dismal three seasons and we all were talking about needing speed and athletes etc.
Four dismal seasons with one really mediocre season in the middle of it. Why do you think those seasons were dismal with regard to recruiting? Because Joe let nepotism drag the program down and waited too long to recognize it and rectify it. He should have stepped down after 1999.
Cory Giger is a dbag that tried to make himself relevant off of the scandal.
The point was that there was a reason he kept getting chances. The talent *was* there.
I think the program is doing well and headed in the right direction. It took 16 years for Joe to be number 1. Joe played for a natty in his 12th year as head coach. Franklin just finished his 10th year as head coach, and had some serious issues to contend with. That was Notre Dame they played, and it was close. They made the final 4. There’s no shame in it. The sky isn’t falling. Franklin will get up and go back to work like Joe did after the 1978 loss to Alabama and the 1985 loss to Oklahoma. He‘ll keep working because that’s what he does.
I'm not reading through this thread, but here's what I saw last night.
It was a hard-fought game between two good and pretty evenly matched teams. And as is usually the case, games like that usually turn on a handful of plays. I saw two- the first quarter pass that Drew threw too low to Nick at the goal line that turned a TD into a FG- costing 4 points. And the then that last pass that turned victory into defeat at the end.
It's not complicated: you make a couple of mistakes like that and you lose.
It was a hard-fought game between two good and pretty evenly matched teams. And as is usually the case, games like that usually turn on a handful of plays. I saw two- the first quarter pass that Drew threw too low to Nick at the goal line that turned a TD into a FG- costing 4 points. And the then that last pass that turned victory into defeat at the end.
It's not complicated: you make a couple of mistakes like that and you lose.
And these are the things that constantly hold PSU back in the big games. Simple execution in crucial spots. Whether it's goal line offense or proper coverage alignments or missed blocking assignments (4th & 6 vs OSU) or turtling up with the lead (Rose Bowl vs USC, OSU games) or simple scoreboard math, when you play in a game and you're equal or lesser talent, you can't make those mistakes and expect to win the game. With the exception of the 2016 Big Ten Championship Game and the walkoff at Iowa, this regime has not been able to overcome these crippling mistakes.
Geez, how people forget the 1979 Sugar Bowl and a certain goal line stand or the 1986 Orange Bowl (two national championship game losses) to make it suit their incorrect narrative.