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qwesley

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Disagree. We have to give the horse industry an advantage, they need help and it is not just CHD. Ken Ramsey is trying to develop nine acres off his farm off 68 to put a gas station and restaurant.

One at Churchill, one at Turfway, one a a new Red Mile out by 75 (with UK buying Red Mile) and one at KY Downs to cover Nashville....makes sense to me. Best of all, none in EKY.
 

qwesley

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Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:
It creeps me out whenever I hear "we have to give ____________ an advantage".

It creeps me out when I see horse farms developed or operations moving out of state. It is the most important industry in Kentucky. Good article attached.

Leaving for Greener Pastures
 

qwesley

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To add...CKY has given huge tax incentives to anchor businesses like UPS, Toyota, and Ford to keep them here/healthy. If you don't respond to competition you will eventually pay the steeper price.
 

WillGolf4Food

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Originally posted by qwesley:
To add...CKY has given huge tax incentives to anchor businesses like UPS, Toyota, and Ford to keep them here/healthy. If you don't respond to competition you will eventually pay the steeper price.
Excellent point, can still remember the grief Martha Lance Collins received for giving Toyota all their tax breaks, if memory serves I think she was actually taken to court on the issue.

This is all about preserving one of the few God given natural resources blessed upon our state.

Churchill downs is losing too many horsemen to Mountaineer Park and Hoosier Downs, both tracks supplementing their purses with slot proceeds. In the middle of the summer meet you could go backside at CD and the barns would be full, now they’re about half full and that’s a major revenue stream that’s been lost. Sure they make money from Oaks/The Derby and other stakes races (like this Saturday for those interested), but they pay the bills from the ham and eggers stabling their horses backside for the lower end claiming/allowance races.

Wish I could find the video (I’m sure Beshear will if he has too) of DW standing in the Capital, Bible in hand, delivering a Fire and Brimstone sermon on the evils of gambling. And then find out the dude likes to wager himself.

What a sanctimonious a$$hat.
 

cat_chaser

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I seriously wish more people would consider Gatewood. I know it's blasphemous, but I've liked his message since my days at UK.

"If I was gonna lie to you, I would have already been elected"
 

Rex Kwon Do

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I'm not well versed in the horse industry on a whole or in CKY...was talking specifically about CHD. You can give CHD every 'advantage' in the world but you just can't make people go there. CHD is a nice (now) facility stuck in a terrible part of town. Some of the new things they have tried (night racing and concerts...although the latter lost money in it's initial effort) are a step in the right direction to modernize their business model are encouraging, but I don't know.

I have lived in Louisville my whole life minus 1 year at IU and 3 years at UK. Love it here. Love it in Lex. To go real abstract....the Kentucky Derby would have been better served to be in Lex from the get go, but it wasn't. This city doesn't really give a crap about horse racing (compared to Lex) save 2 days out of the year. If it did, people would show up. And they don't. Have you ever been to CHD on a random weekday (or weekend for that matter)?

I'm not trying to hate on CHD. You just can't turn a blind eye to the fact that is on a downward trend and it is going to have to find a way to right the ship itself if it wants to survive. Don't think it fair to hand them and them only keys to a casino with one thing in it, Stupid Gaffot *** Video Poker, without opening up competition from other casinos with blackjack, poker, etc.

The whole thing reminds me how backward looking this state can be sometimes errrrr most of the time. I'm sure we were on the front lines of protecting the horse drawn carriage against the automobile.
 

aejaxe6

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Originally posted by wkycatfan:
Sounds like Texas governor Rick Perry is about to jump into the race.

I believe this is why some of Newts guys bolted. I'm sure they are going to work for Gov. Perry.
 

JHB4UK

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Originally posted by WillGolf4Food:
This is all about preserving one of the few God given natural resources blessed upon our state.
Personally I think the best natural resource our state has for attracting businesses and jobs are our incredibly cheap electricity rates. Or it was anyway, thanks to Obama's EPA actions they are about to crank up rates by 20% in the near future.
 

qwesley

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Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:
I'm not well versed in the horse industry on a whole or in CKY...was talking specifically about CHD. You can give CHD every 'advantage' in the world but you just can't make people go there. CHD is a nice (now) facility stuck in a terrible part of town. Some of the new things they have tried (night racing and concerts...although the latter lost money in it's initial effort) are a step in the right direction to modernize their business model are encouraging, but I don't know.

I have lived in Louisville my whole life minus 1 year at IU and 3 years at UK. Love it here. Love it in Lex. To go real abstract....the Kentucky Derby would have been better served to be in Lex from the get go, but it wasn't. This city doesn't really give a crap about horse racing (compared to Lex) save 2 days out of the year. If it did, people would show up. And they don't. Have you ever been to CHD on a random weekday (or weekend for that matter)?

I'm not trying to hate on CHD. You just can't turn a blind eye to the fact that is on a downward trend and it is going to have to find a way to right the ship itself if it wants to survive. Don't think it fair to hand them and them only keys to a casino with one thing in it, Stupid Gaffot *** Video Poker, without opening up competition from other casinos with blackjack, poker, etc.

The whole thing reminds me how backward looking this state can be sometimes errrrr most of the time. I'm sure we were on the front lines of protecting the horse drawn carriage against the automobile.

Gaming is helping other tracks and it would help Churchill. Would you rather have whatever approved take going through a KY company vital to our most important industry or would you want those profits go to a company based out of state? Keeneland, as strong as they are, has been sounding the alarm. What about the coeds in spring dresses, what will happen to them!!!
 

aejaxe6

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Originally posted by JHB4UK:
Originally posted by WillGolf4Food:
This is all about preserving one of the few God given natural resources blessed upon our state.
Personally I think the best natural resource our state has for attracting businesses and jobs are our incredibly cheap electricity rates. Or it was anyway, thanks to Obama's EPA actions they are about to crank up rates by 20% in the near future.

O'Bama will be gone soon. Hopefully whoever replaces him cranks up our energy production again. Cheap energy would go a long way in aiding the economy.
 

wkycatfan7

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Originally posted by post_u_up:

Originally posted by wkycatfan:
Sounds like Texas governor Rick Perry is about to jump into the race.

I believe this is why some of Newts guys bolted. I'm sure they are going to work for Gov. Perry.

At the moment, I like Pawlenty, but I suspect Perry would be a game changer.
 

AustinTXCat

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Originally posted by wkycatfan:
Sounds like Texas governor Rick Perry is about to jump into the race.
Meh, would rather have Kinky Friedman.


Gov. Perry is okay, though I personally believe Romney represents a better alternative for the country. Across the board, at least my leftist coworkers can somewhat stand our Gov. I mean, they aren't spitting all over themselves as when GWB receives mention. See "Bush Derangement Syndrome" for more info. My wife despises Perry.
 

WillGolf4Food

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Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:
Don't think it fair to hand them and them only keys to a casino with one thing in it, Stupid Gaffot *** Video Poker, without opening up competition from other casinos with blackjack, poker, etc.
The vast majority of horse bettors are male.

What they’ve found at tracks that offer slots is the shows up, the wifey plays the slots and the guy plays the ponies.

I’d propose the tracks get a grace period of 3-5 years as the sole source for slots/gaming. Give the horsemen a chance to return to the Bluegrass then open it up to riverboats or whatever step is next.

I’ve sent Senator Williams no less than three videos driving through the parking garage at Horseshoe (and when it was Caesars) where it was literally row after row, level after level, of KY plates.

After the 3-5 year grace period start dropping boats on the river in Louisville/N KY/Owensboro and watch the revenues stream in.
 

BleedBluNAZ

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Originally posted by JHB4UK:
Politico story on the GOP gift that is Debbie Downer


"Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor-turned-media personality, wrote about Wasserman Schultz’s “rough start” in his email newsletter last week, saying, “It is reassuring to know that there’s someone standing by to step in, just in case Joe Biden needs time off.”

 

The Crow

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Originally posted by wkycatfan:
Former Georgia governor Sonny Perdue has bolted the Gingrich campaign and joined the Tim Pawlenty campaign.
I told you guys they were lined up 10 deep to harpoon Gingrich on both sides plus the media. His own party probably hates him more than the opposition Democrats and Liberals do. He's a real low class scumball and I'm glad he's flaming out even earlier than I expected he would. I knew the flack was coming but they really jumped on him quickly and decisively.
 

aejaxe6

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Originally posted by Ziusudra:
Originally posted by wkycatfan:
Former Georgia governor Sonny Perdue has bolted the Gingrich campaign and joined the Tim Pawlenty campaign.
I told you guys they were lined up 10 deep to harpoon Gingrich on both sides plus the media. His own party probably hates him more than the opposition Democrats and Liberals do. He's a real low class scumball and I'm glad he's flaming out even earlier than I expected he would. I knew the flack was coming but they really jumped on him quickly and decisively.

Umm, I think several of those guys were former Perry staffers and it now looks like Gov. Perry may be taking an interest in being President. I'm sure these guys are bolting to work for their former boss, who if he runs would become the instant favorite to be President.
 

The Crow

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Collectively Newt has been piled on for some time now and it's not just the media and the Democrats (who have largely ignored him), it's been his own party sticking the fork in him.
 

Mime-Is-Money

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Originally posted by JHB4UK:
if Rick Perry ran he would roll Obama up something awful

why? Just click the link

One thing Tejas has going for it is the cost of living, which reduces the workforce cost for large corporation. One of my former employers moved a substantial chunk of their business, mostly system support, fund operations, and customer services, to Texas as it doesn't make much sense paying a telephone operator $50K in downtown Boston (or $45K in Merrimac, NH) when you could pay them $32K in the suburbs of Dallas (plus we got a huge tax incentive by allowing cattle ranching on our new campus). However, the revenue generating departments and core business stayed in DT Boston to attract the most prized individuals of each investment sector.

Texas is viewed as generally business friendly, due to less regulation and generally lower tax burden (although corporate tax rates are some of the highest in the country. This is offset by low unemployment insurance and compensation costs). However, the state might lose this image due to its massive deficits (~ 30% of the state budget in 2010) and impending budget cuts/increased taxes and fees.

Speaking of state government concerns, Texas also has the fastest growing public sector in the nation and one of the fastest growing state budgets in the nation over the last 10 years. This is mostly attributed to the net migration into the state during the same time period but Austin is now running into similar issues faced by Sacramento, Albany, and Springfield, which is massive budget deficits and government outlays. The good news is that Texas is better prepared with their rainy day fund and is MUCH more willing to cut parts of the budget, which in turn will negatively impact the once viewed 'impervious' Texas business machine.

One thing that really helped Texas over the last few years is that it was only slightly affected by the housing downturn, as opposed to FL, OH, CA, etc. One of the major reasons was the plethora of new housing developments popping up over the last ten years to satisfy the population boom. The generous supply of housing kept housing prices down and avoided a regional bubble. Texas also has higher lending standards for home equity. Good on them.

In short, Texas is fantastic for large businesses that want to cut overhead expenses and keep the bulk of their workforce in the US. An interesting thing to watch is if Texas takes an ideological turn to the left with its expanding population.

My favorite aspect of Texas growth?: the push for alternative energy, namely wind farms.
This post was edited on 6/10 5:52 PM by Mime-Is-Money
 

The Crow

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Be the 2nd election in a row the Republicans had a secessionist on their ticket if Perry gets the nod. Yeah, they're really into Patriotism alright. Hypocrites.
 

cbpointblank1979

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Rick Perry and Mitt Romney are like heads and tails to each other. Romney would probably be a strong general election candidate, but will have problems in the primary. Rick Perry would be a dream candidate for the red meat base in the primaries, but would be much weaker than Romney in a general.
 

The Crow

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"AUSTIN Gov. Rick Perry has proclaimed the three-day period from Friday, April 22, to Sunday, April 24, as Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas."

Yep. He can bible thump with the best of them. Just what we need... escape from Corporate Fascism just long enough to get kidnapped by Theocrats.
 

Mime-Is-Money

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I don't know why but when I see this guy:



I can only think of this guy:





Or the father from twin peaks. Neither of the two comparisons can help.
 

JHB4UK

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Originally posted by cbpointblank1979:
Rick Perry and Mitt Romney are like heads and tails to each other. Romney would probably be a strong general election candidate, but will have problems in the primary. Rick Perry would be a dream candidate for the red meat base in the primaries, but would be much weaker than Romney in a general.
think so? if he ran, and if he got the nomination, he would trounce Obama. he would by running a disciplined campaign sticking to jobs, jobs, jobs and how to get them - less government, less regulation, less unions, less taxing, less spending. I think the Texas jobs story told nationwide would be music to the ears of independents.
This post was edited on 6/11 5:47 AM by JHB4UK
 

cbpointblank1979

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I'm not sure you can come back from suggesting that your state might secede from the Union - particularly when you're running for the presidency of said Union.
 

Rex Kwon Do

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I love how someone always comes out about a formidable R candidate saying one thing will prevent them from being elected...

- Romney has a state run HC system in a wildly liberal state? Done.
- Perry fires up his notoriously independent state constituents essentially saying "bad *** Texas might make our own gattdamned country wooooooo" shooting his six shooter in the air? Done.
- Christie rides in a helo that the pilot needs some flight time? Done.

Hey, PBO destroyed the "no way that guy gets elected because of _______" with dynamite. Guy had minimal national experience. Friendly with a ton of radical people. Sat for 20 years in a church/mentored by/married by a total jackass and arguably racist person.

He got elected on a platform that was based on three words, one of which was "and".

Wrightfully (lol!!!111) or wrongfully, anyone can be elected.
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Originally posted by Ziusudra:
Be the 2nd election in a row the Republicans had a secessionist on their ticket if Perry gets the nod. Yeah, they're really into Patriotism alright. Hypocrites.

That's an outright lie.
 

JumperJack

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Originally posted by grannygreensleeves:
Originally posted by Ziusudra:
Be the 2nd election in a row the Republicans had a secessionist on their ticket if Perry gets the nod. Yeah, they're really into Patriotism alright. Hypocrites.

That's an outright lie.

It's outright foolish. I wonder if Washington, Jefferson, et al, were secessionists or patriots?
 

UKVilly

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Found this article on the national football board.

Auburn DL Nick Fairley Involved in White House Incident

WASHINGTON, DC - May 8, 2011: It was smiles all around for the Auburn
football team during a meeting today with President Obama in the White
House. But things appeared to change abruptly for Detroit Lions and
former Auburn DL Nick Fairley soon after leaving the reception.

Team mates were seen pulling on Fairley's shoulders and jacket sleeves
to get him on the team bus, as Fairley appeared demonstrably upset,
swinging his arms in an apparent attempt to break their grasp and loudly
cursing as he exited the grounds. Auburn officials have denied that any
incident occurred, and specifically denied that Fairley had to be
ushered away by fellow players. The Secret Service commented that, "at
no time was the President's safety in any question. The situation was
well in hand."

However, sources close to the team, speaking on the condition of
anonymity, have indicated that the problem arose when Fairley took his
turn to shake the President's hand as the team exited the White House.
Sources say that Fairley stared at Mr. Obama in shocked silence during
the handshake, and then moments later flew into a rage to the point of
being restrained by team mates.

According to sources, Fairley's anger erupted when he realized that this
was the first time in his sports career than anyone in a suit had shaken
his hand WITHOUT slipping him several hundred dollars of cash.

Fairley's agent declined to comment on this report. Repeated calls to
the Auburn Sports Information Office seeking comment on this report were
not returned. Auburn Head Coach Emeritus, Pay Dye did comment to the
report, stating, "Keep it down home, Cuz!".
 

cbpointblank1979

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The idea that the side opposed to one's own is "evil" or "anti-American" is a popular, ugly one today. Certain examples do a world of good in showing the problems with that line of thought. John McCain, while not necessarily someone I support, is a hero. So is George HW Bush. On the Democratic side, I can't think of too many people who deserve the "American Hero" mantle more than Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii.

* At age 17, he was a medical volunteer at the Pearl Harbor attack.

* Member of the famed 442nd Regimental Combat Team. Comprised entirely of Japanese-Americans, it's the most decorated unit in the history of the US Army.

* Awarded the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, Distinguished Service Cross and Medal of Honor.

* Senator from Hawaii since 1963 (48 years)

* President pro tempore of the Senate (the highest-ranking Asian-American politician in US history).

* Second-longest serving Senator in US history (after Robert Byrd).

* Medal of Honor citation:

Second Lieutenant Daniel K. Inouye distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action on 21 April 1945, in the vicinity of San Terenzo, Italy. While attacking a defended ridge guarding an important road junction, Second Lieutenant Inouye skillfully directed his platoon through a hail of automatic weapon and small arms fire, in a swift enveloping movement that resulted in the capture of an artillery and mortar post and brought his men to within 40 yards of the hostile force. Emplaced in bunkers and rock formations, the enemy halted the advance with crossfire from three machine guns. With complete disregard for his personal safety, Second Lieutenant Inouye crawled up the treacherous slope to within five yards of the nearest machine gun and hurled two grenades, destroying the emplacement. Before the enemy could retaliate, he stood up and neutralized a second machine gun nest. Although wounded by a sniper’s bullet, he continued to engage other hostile positions at close range until an exploding grenade shattered his right arm. Despite the intense pain, he refused evacuation and continued to direct his platoon until enemy resistance was broken and his men were again deployed in defensive positions. In the attack, 25 enemy soldiers were killed and eight others captured. By his gallant, aggressive tactics and by his indomitable leadership, Second Lieutenant Inouye enabled his platoon to advance through formidable resistance, and was instrumental in the capture of the ridge. Second Lieutenant Inouye’s extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit on him, his unit, and the United States Army.

Inouye lost his arm in the action.

That, my friends, is a life. Damnation.
 
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