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CyphaPSU

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We are 0 for our last 14 vs top 10 teams. You'd think luck would have won one of those.
Franklin recruits at a fairly high level. Most of those games were against opponents who out-recruited PSU. Teams beat opponents who have collected more talent than them all the time. It just does not seem to happen here, and that’s extremely frustrating. Regardless of the hot takes in this forum that try to pinpoint the reason for this problem, it’s been going on for too long for it to not be a result of a complexity of issues.
 

SkiSkiSki

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What's shocking is how little he's improved over three seasons as a starter.

He has the same issues now that he did in 2023. He's indecisive. He makes bad reads. His mechanics are, at best, wildly inconsistent. His accuracy is crap.

He has flashes of absolute brilliance... just like he had two years ago, but that's it.
The most important attribute of a good QB is a good mental game. Drew can't get out of his own head, and it prevents him from maximizing the physical tools he has. He is a senior and I don't see it changing now.
 

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And the answer……… drum roll…… is coaching
Scheduling as well. Do we really think it’s a good idea for the first time we play someone with a pulse it’s a game like this. Our players haven’t had to play four quarters. We have been running a “vanilla” offense. And now we are expected to execute a full game plan for a full game.
 
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DukeCorey21

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Should Oregon fire Lanning because Penn State came back and Oregon needed an interception to win?
Lanning has no issue winning big games as was shown last night. Now show me where Big Game James has shown he can win games like this? When was the last time he won one of these? Penn State deserves a better coach.
 
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KingLando

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The result was a failure but Ohio State lost to Oregon last year and won a title. Doesn't mean I think we will. It's just not that big of a deal with the 12 team playoff. It hurt seeding.

The SEC is killing each other, the ACC is garbage other than maybe Miami as is the Big XII while ND has two losses. Might see 9-3 playoff teams as at large bids.
 

BobPSU92

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Scheduling as well. Do we really think it’s a good idea for the first time we play someone with a pulse it’s a game like this. Our players haven’t had to play four quarters. We have been running a “vanilla” offense. And now we are expected to execute a full game plan for a full game.

Franklin acknowledged in last night’s postgame PRESSER. o_O that the weak nonconference schedule could have affected PSU’s readiness for oregon.
 
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bdgan

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The result was a failure but Ohio State lost to Oregon last year and won a title. Doesn't mean I think we will. It's just not that big of a deal with the 12 team playoff. It hurt seeding.

The SEC is killing each other, the ACC is garbage other than maybe Miami as is the Big XII while ND has two losses. Might see 9-3 playoff teams as at large bids.
OSU hasn't lost 14 straight against top 10 teams
 
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BostonNit

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Good god, you’re quoting Newt Gingrich. WTF? Newt is largely responsible for the political environment we have today. Slimeball.
Nope. Quoting his predecessor who admitted he'd gotten used to losing.

Read much?
 
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LB99

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Nope. Quoting his predecessor who admitted he'd gotten used to losing.

Read much?
He’s a slimeball. Absolute low life. He made a career of attempting to make himself look and feel better by putting down others. That’s not leadership. Leadership is finding solutions to things and not just finger pointing. That’s the problem with this country right now.
 
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BostonNit

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Lanning has no issue winning big games as was shown last night. Now show me where Big Game James has shown he can win games like this? When was the last time he won one of these? Penn State deserves a better coach.
Buster Douglas beat the baddest man on earth. Buster Freaking Douglas.

You'd think maybe occasionally with the athletes Franklin recruits you'd have a puncher's chance to win against a slightly better team.
 

bdgan

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According to who? I've fallen for this way too many times. Years that we are supposed to be good usually never match the hype. Years where we are rebuilding actually turn out solid. Bottom line is we are just not recruiting with the big boys. Franklin was touted as being a recruiter, but over his span at PSU I don't think it's matched expectations. Especially with skill players.
Maybe but I'm skeptical. There are too many teams in the BiG who have recruited better or equal to PSU the last few years. Of course the portal can make a big difference.

I'm not saying we can't be good. I'm just saying only 3-4 out of 18 teams in the BiG are likely to make the playoffs each year.
 
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Franklin obviously doesn’t care, why should I? GO BIRDS! But: birds are 1-3 or 4 v buccs so bad weekend looming? sigh

o SNAP stealing money yo:
Franklin contract" likely refers to Penn State football coach James Franklin's recent contract extension, a 10-year, $85 million deal signed in 2021
 

Moogy

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Hey. Hang that big L proudly on your parents mantle. Maybe one of the water boys will give you a dirty sock to hang off of it. You deserve it.

I am just waiting for wrestling season now. When a coach with intelligence and a winning instinct takes charge.

Waiting for wrestling season? Ah, you're one of those who thinks if you cheer for kids who don't know or care about you to win a game, and they win, that makes you a winner. Probably helps to fill up your hole ... you know the one that exists because you can only address your obsession with man love via insults.

I asked you questions about your comments and the team's performance ... you were unable and/or unwilling to answer them, and just came back with more of your ridiculousness ... plus the "threat" that you were going to take your "fan ball" and run home because you were too awesome to watch it ... no one will miss you.
 

bdgan

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Buster Douglas beat the baddest man on earth. Buster Freaking Douglas.

You'd think maybe occasionally with the athletes Franklin recruits you'd have a puncher's chance to win against a slightly better team.
PSU was 5-6 in 2001 but somehow managed to beat OSU.

For some reason Franklin's sphincter gets tight in these games. Seriously, what kind of offensive game plan did PSU have for 3 quarters last night? Oregon predictably stacked the LOS and forced Allar to beat them and it's as though our staff was surprised. They didn't open up the offense until we were behind by 14 points. By then the defense was gassed.
 
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Moogy

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Hi. Me play with rocks all day while dreaming about man love and cleaning men's balls. Me have no IQ. Me here even though no one wants me here, and me tell you me leaving to go watch two guys grab at each other and rassle each other down to the ground. That'll show you.
 

BostonNit

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He’s a slimeball. Absolute low life.
Why would you say that about Robert Michel, which was who I quoted? He was the son of immigrants and a veteran. He ended up in Congress for over 30 years, with the last 14 as the leader of hundreds in his party.

He admitted that he'd gotten comfortable with and used to losing. As the LEADER and main constant of an organization which loses and gains new members of the team every 2 years.

Don't make this political because you don't like the new coach that came in after him.

My point (if you read the post I was replying to) was that sometimes a cultural change has to happen at the top of large organizations (see the parallel?) that are lead for over a decade (see the parallel?) by someone who lost so often that he'd apparently gotten used to it (again, parallel?).

Organizational momentum says a body at rest will stay at rest until an external force is applied to it. We've tried how many different OC's and DC's? We will have spent nearly a billion dollars upgrading facilities by the time the stadium is done. I'm told we have the highest paid staff in CFB.

There seems to be one constant.

The main difference between our team and the example I cited is that our leader hasn't yet admitted to getting used to it, whether he is or not.
 
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BostonNit

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I’m exclusively referring to Gingrich who you referenced.
Who was not the person I quoted as the long time leader of a large organization who admitted he expected to lose and had gotten used to it. Please pay attention.
 
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LB99

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Who was not the person I quoted as the long time leader of a large organization who admitted he expected to lose and had gotten used to it. Please pay attention.
But he was the only person you referenced. Don’t be tone deaf to why you got the reaction.
 

BostonNit

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But he was the only person you referenced. Don’t be tone deaf to why you got the reaction.
You may not like the results (Nebraska in your eyes, Georgia in mine) in the example I cited, but the point still remains that cultural change from cratering in key moments to winning in key moments usually requires a change at the top.
 
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LB99

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You may not like the results (Nebraska in your eyes, Georgia in mine) in the example I cited, but the point still remains that cultural change from cratering in key moments to winning in key moments usually requires a change at the top.
I’m open to change if is a likely improvement, but that is not a guarantee. If you think there are coaches out there that would get PSU over the top without regression, I’d love to hear your list?
 
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Ram20

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I’m open to change if is a likely improvement, but that is not a guarantee. If you think there are coaches out there that would get PSU over the top without regression, I’d love to hear your list?
I just think this has
I’m open to change if is a likely improvement, but that is not a guarantee. If you think there are coaches out there that would get PSU over the top without regression, I’d love to hear your list?
Im less understanding of this logic, just seems defeatist. Yes, the program could take a step back with a new coach, it could fail, but the program would be at least attempting greatness. I mean, sh*t, who the Hell is Dan Lanning after all? Did Oregon fail hiring a nobody? Empirically, franklin cant get there.....why not give someone else a chance?
 
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LB99

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I just think this has
Im less understanding of this logic, just seems defeatist. Yes, the program could take a step back with a new coach, it could fail, but the program would be at least attempting greatness. I mean, sh*t, who the Hell is Dan Lanning after all? Did Oregon fail hiring a nobody? Empirically, franklin cant get there.....why not give someone else a chance?
Who? Let’s hear it.
FYI. Lanning was an assistant at UGA before being hired at Oregon. He was also a GA at Bama. He wasn’t a nobody.
 

Ram20

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Who? Let’s hear it.
FYI. Lanning was an assistant at UGA before being hired at Oregon. He was also a GA at Bama. He wasn’t a nobody.
Off the top of my head, Id take the coach at Iowa St in a heartbeat....guy at Georgia tech has 0 problem beating favored teams. Young coach at USF seems interesting. And then add a list of guys with landings background, been around good programs, young, desperate to get their shot. Coordinators, etc. The saban/Meyer stuff is a joke obviously, but there are tons of intriguing guys.
 
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Ram20

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Who? Let’s hear it.
FYI. Lanning was an assistant at UGA before being hired at Oregon. He was also a GA at Bama. He wasn’t a nobody.
But you won't like any of them because they cant guarantee you 9 or 10 wins off the bat, of course.
 

LB99

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Off the top of my head, Id take the coach at Iowa St in a heartbeat....guy at Georgia tech has 0 problem beating favored teams. Young coach at USF seems interesting. And then add a list of guys with landings background, been around good programs, young, desperate to get their shot. Coordinators, etc. The saban/Meyer stuff is a joke obviously, but there are tons of intriguing guys.
A ton of those intriguing guys get hired every year by desperate programs only to fall on their faces as a HC.
 
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Moogy

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I just think this has
Im less understanding of this logic, just seems defeatist. Yes, the program could take a step back with a new coach, it could fail, but the program would be at least attempting greatness. I mean, sh*t, who the Hell is Dan Lanning after all? Did Oregon fail hiring a nobody? Empirically, franklin cant get there.....why not give someone else a chance?

Franklin can't get where? Where does he have to be, to be "there"?

Nattys? Lanning doesn't have one. I mean, they went undefeated into the playoffs last year, and then got curbstomped. Should they be looking to run him out of town? Who cares if he beat teams in the regular season/Big Ten championship if he can't get his boys up for a playoff game?

Or, have we fixated on this "big game" thing? Would it be OK if we won 6 games v. OSU/Mich/Oregon, but lost 6 more games against the Hawkeyes, Illini, etc.?

Again, we were a play away from the Natty game last year, and we're still clearly in the playoff picture this year ... where else do we need to go?
 
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Ram20

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Franklin can't get where? Where does he have to be, to be "there"?

Nattys? Lanning doesn't have one. I mean, they went undefeated into the playoffs last year, and then got curbstomped. Should they be looking to run him out of town? Who cares if he beat teams in the regular season/Big Ten championship if he can't get his boys up for a playoff game?

Or, have we fixated on this "big game" thing? Would it be OK if we won 6 games v. OSU/Mich/Oregon, but lost 6 more games against the Hawkeyes, Illini, etc.?

Again, we were a play away from the Natty game last year, and we're still clearly in the playoff picture this year ... where else do we need to go?
We have to have a better record against top 10 teams. We have to look coherent on offense at this point. Its fine where we are of course, but as a fan, its okay to want more. I can live with the fact that you and others think this is good enough, I just happen to think after all these years of Franklin, just time for something new here. Someone brought up andy Reid, was a good analogy.
 

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We have to have a better record against top 10 teams. We have to look coherent on offense at this point. Its fine where we are of course, but as a fan, its okay to want more. I can live with the fact that you and others think this is good enough, I just happen to think after all these years of Franklin, just time for something new here. Someone brought up andy Reid, was a good analogy.
If we have a better record against top 10 teams, and don't have a corresponding poorer record against non-top-10 squads, that puts us in the Natty convo a number of years.

So all you want is a near-perennial Natty contender.

Easy peasy.
 

Ram20

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If we have a better record against top 10 teams, and don't have a corresponding poorer record against non-top-10 squads, that puts us in the Natty convo a number of years.

So all you want is a near-perennial Natty contender.

Easy peasy.
You live once, take your shot kid.
 

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I’m open to change if is a likely improvement, but that is not a guarantee. If you think there are coaches out there that would get PSU over the top without regression, I’d love to hear your list?
How much can you regress from going 4-21 against top opponents? Do we drop to 0-25 with someone new? Is the fear of dropping from 4-21 to 0-25 worth paralyzing ourselves over? The narrative wouldn't change from "can't win the big one". So why not do something bold?

Roll the dice. Hire someone young or outside the box. D'Anton Lynn (sp?)? Vrabel? Jeff Nixon? Bobby Ingram? Joe Brady?
 
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If we have a better record against top 10 teams, and don't have a corresponding poorer record against non-top-10 squads, that puts us in the Natty convo a number of years.

So all you want is a near-perennial Natty contender.

Easy peasy.
I’ve said many times be a big boy every 4 years or so. Play OSU 3-7 and sell out on our hot years. You see senior laden nobodies make runs all the time (Harbaugh 23) yo