Need some help here. Fenwick-PN game, Fenwick has the ball on 4th down and as time runs out Fenwick just whips the ball down field and celebrates. Plainfield North is awarded an untimed down. Is that legit? We've seen that in CFB this year and the officials came out after and said that an untimed down should not have been awarded. Need some clarification please.
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when this happened, I was like I swear this happened before and there was some major talks about it. talk about deja vu
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...legal-reaction-should-not-have-counted-091016
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...legal-reaction-should-not-have-counted-091016
"In the high school game it is a foul to throw, intentionally, a forward pass incomplete to save loss of yardage and to throw, intentionally, a pass to an area not occupied by an eligible receiver. The penalty is 5 yards and loss of down. The enforcement spot is from the end of the run, or where the pass was made.
"This is different than NCAA rules in which a passer , who is outside the pocket,( which is determine to be between the tackles in a normal formation,) can throw a pass intentionally incomplete.
Read more at http://www.highschoolot.com/content/story/3275565/#ymkOx3mYAMso0gvi.99
Found this. The rule is not the same as college. If it occurs on fourth down because there is a loss of down the opposing team gets the ball.
"This is different than NCAA rules in which a passer , who is outside the pocket,( which is determine to be between the tackles in a normal formation,) can throw a pass intentionally incomplete.
Read more at http://www.highschoolot.com/content/story/3275565/#ymkOx3mYAMso0gvi.99
Found this. The rule is not the same as college. If it occurs on fourth down because there is a loss of down the opposing team gets the ball.
Rule 3 Section 3 Article 4:
A period shall not be extended by an untimed down if one of the following occurred during a down in which time expires:
b. There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted for:
3. fouls that include loss of down (such as intentional grounding)
A period shall not be extended by an untimed down if one of the following occurred during a down in which time expires:
b. There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted for:
3. fouls that include loss of down (such as intentional grounding)
I don't mean this to come off as rude, I'm obviously upset. Are you an official? I'm by no means saying you can't reply, I appreciate but the article is not about IHSA and it's from 2007. Not sure if that's even valid here or at this point.
I think an official is confirming my gripe...
I'm not but found that on line. I've been told that before during my games. It may very well be a wrong
I'm sick for you and everyone else at Fenwick. I'm actually furious. We just had this play in college and any association worth anything would have checked it. I'm at a loss for words right now.
Do you have the NFHs rule book that we can look at? Their rule book is a little different than the college one.
And no need to be rude or condiscending. I went off of what an official told me as well.
Immediate kneel wouldn't have run it out. They could have ran around back there but they didn't need to, just throw it downfield and clock runs out.... Fenwick had the exact scenario a few years ago against Boylan, that punted and it got taken to the house. Walk off loser. Biggest controversy in Fenwick history, they'll never punt again that scenario. They made the right call, they simply got cheated.
The rule above is off the 2015 Rule Book. We get rule books every other year so,...
Nevermind...sounds like the game should've been over according to a ref (goomsback).
Can the outcome be overturned?
Technically no but there's going to be some explaining to do. There is a precedent with rescinding a 2nd technical on Jereme Richmond 7 or so years ago but nothing like this,...
Wow.
In the future, if not immediately, seems right that IHSA should be able to say the extra play should not have happened, therefore it doesn't count and the results are whatever the outcome was when regulation expired.
So they get the honor of officiating a state title game and my son has to find something else to do with his Saturday after he earned the right to play in that game. There will be numerous calls and emails from Fenwick people to the IHSA. There will be a bunch by me until I get a satisfactory answer.
i could delete it but it really won't matter. in my opinion that is a common sense call that you do not make in that situation
I know those guys they are good guys but that is inexplicable.
In hindsight after the Boylan game AND this game maybe they should have, maybe they should have ran around back there and risked taking a big hit as kneeling... the fact is they called a play within the rules of the game so there is really no need to play the what if game. The only what if Fenwick's players will be left with is this: What if the officials actually read the rule book?
Thanks for the clarification, it's exactly what I feared. I need to log off this board before I say anything I can't take back (not directed at anyone, just in general). Time to try and be a father and soften this blow, wish me luck.
Is there a course of action Fenwick can take? I mean the play was ruled wrong which directly effected the outcome. Don't know if anyone from the IHSA is on the board here but would be curious if something like that is possible .
I can assure you the IHSA knows what happened right now and Fenwick probably verbally appealed. Written, who knows,...
I'm sure they did just didn't know what the formal process was if there was one. We are very much in uncharted territory here.