Offseason curiosity thread

[AdamsDawg]

I'll get straight to the point and will not beat around the bush. How many seasons do you think Mullen will be a dawg?

The 2014 season was defiantly a peak in my eyes and I feel like we will stagnate at around 7-8 wins a season. That isn't necessarily a bad thing considering our past. I feel like fans and booster will start raising their expectations and force Mullen to rise up or quit. I've never been a huge fan of Mullen. His recruiting and play calling are sub par in my opinion.

Just imagine this scenario...

Les Miles is considered in the "hot seat". He takes LSU to a mediocre 8-4 season (unlikely) and gets the boot. Mullen ***** the bed this season with a 5-7 record. Miles and Mullen both get the boot and Miles becomes a dawg. This is EXTREMELY unlikely, but fun to think about. I'm not a LSU fan by any means but I've always liked witch doctor Les.

 

[PBRME]

If we fire Dan to replace him with Les. Well. I'd be really disappointed.

 

[LTblows]

Couple of things. 1.) With the impending sanctions looming over OM, I think we have at least another 3 years with Mullen, since we will have a major in-state recruiting advantage when the punishments are handed down. 2.) Whenever he does leave, I doubt it's going to be because we start having losing seasons. Even when the SEC West has become the most dominate division in all of football, we've dodged losing seasons. When the division's regression comes, we stand in a good position to stay above .500.
3.) If Les Miles becomes available, I hope we aren't dumb enough to hire him. He has consistently done less with more than any other coach in America. They shouldn't lose more than one game a season. The corn dogs are right to be angry most seasons.

 

[VillagepeopleDogs]

I don't think we need to get rid of him if he has an off season. 55-35 record, 4-2 in six straight bowl games. Any period in the past where that has happened? He would be crazy to leave and think he could make more $ than he is now without taking on more pressure to win. 7-8 regular season wins with a bowl win with a shot to win 10 games every 2-3 years is a lot better than it used to be.

 

[VillagepeopleDogs]

Yeah, I don't think Miles would have much motivation to win here. It would just be a place to park until something else opened up for him.

 

[121Josey]

I'll get straight to the point and will not beat around the bush. How many seasons do you think Mullen will be a dawg?

Mullen ***** the bed this season with a 5-7 record. Miles and Mullen both get the boot and Miles becomes a dawg.

How many years of eligibility does Tiano have left? Funny you think that 5-7 in a rebuilding year is shitting the bed.

It's clear you've never been a huge fan of Mullen. You're not old enough to remember MSU football at the start of the new millennium.

 

[patdog]

Stupid thread. Mullen is going to be at MSU for a long time.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

I can't imagine us firing Mullen. He either leaves for another job or retires unless there is a scandal of some sort.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

If you think Mullen's play calling is sub par

Miles' is a 17'n train wreck.

You lost my attention.

 

[rugbdawg]

Here's the thing. In light of our history, what Mullen is doing/has done is incredible. But, once a consistent plateau has been reached, what's the point in playing the games? I'd feel the exact same way if I was a LSU. LSU won't win another national championship with Les just like Msstate will NEVER win the SEC West with Mullen. Our ceiling, if everything goes our way, is finishing 2nd or 3rd in our division. Is that acceptable? Knowing that, in your best years, you don't have a snowball's chance of doing anything more than going to a good bowl? We know, under Mullen, that we won't compete with Bama, ever. That's in stone.

I started souring on Mullen in the Egg Bowl 2014. No excuses to lose that game, much less get embarrassed like that, none. Arkansas beat that Rebel team by 30 the week before. LSU game at home last year was pretty awful too. All on Mullen.

This year will say A LOT. I've gone on record saying Mullen will not be our coach in January of 2018 regardless. He will either leave due to success or be fired. It's time. Hell, last year was time. Both Mullen and our program needed to part ways to continue to try to grow.

The sad thing is that Ole Miss' possible sanctions are the only way we can hope to keep up with our in-state rivals. That's pathetic, sad, and embarrassing. Guess what? We have to beat Ole Miss to win the West because we have never come close to beating Bama.

 

[57stratdawg]

No doubt. Les' ceiling at MSU is lower than Dan's IMO.

 

[57stratdawg]

Agreed. Unless he hits a series of less than 6 or 7 wins.

Honestly, that might happen. If we flirt with .500 this year, our 2017 schedule looks pretty brutal.

 

[HD6]

State could go 0-12 this year and wouldn't fire Mullen.

 

[AustinDawg]

At least 3 years.

I'll get straight to the point and will not beat around the bush. How many seasons do you think Mullen will be a dawg?

To become State's all time winningest coach, he needs 20 more wins overall, and 17 conference wins for the conference-specific record.

(FYI: 3 conference wins and he passes Allyn McKeen)

Unless something crazy happens, he's at State until he wants to leave.


Also, Les Miles is perfect for LSU and would be horrible for State.

 

[rugbdawg]

I REALLY think people are underestimating how good Dak Prescott is. I really do.

 

[rugbdawg]

4-8 or better and Mullen is safe this year. Two consecutive years of .500 ball or less with 4 consecutive losses to Ole Miss? Mullen is gone. Long gone. As he should be. Mullen will also not get the nice guy (Les Miles or Mark Richt) free pass for a season.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

I REALLY think people are underestimating how good Dak Prescott is. I really do.

Yes but what says Dan can develop another QB to a high level? 6-8 wins a year keeps him here. He won with Relf. He won with Russel.

 

[RightOfCenter]

I like most of the play calling when he is relaxed and I don't like it when is uptight. Miles is like croom, only with 5*s.

 

[patdog]

Mullen had 3 straight winning seasons BEFORE Dak was our starting QB. Nobody's underestimating how good Dak is. But he wasn't a 1-man team. A 1-man team would finish 2-6 in the SEC at best, no matter how good that 1 man is.

 

[mount lefroy]

Our definition of fun is quite different.

 

[Lakedawg]

Not that I disagree totally but it's a little short sighted to complain about sanctions being the only way we can keep up with OM. The reason for those sanctions gave them a distinct advantage over us.

 

[Faustdog]

The sad thing is that Ole Miss' possible sanctions are the only way we can hope to keep up with our in-state rivals. That's pathetic, sad, and embarrassing. Guess what? We have to beat Ole Miss to win the West because we have never come close to beating Bama.

That is just flat out wrong and not what anyone has said. History since integration has shown that we can not only compete with Ole Miss but beat them more often than not when they aren't cheating their asses off.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

You want to know what a one man team looks like? Check out Jay Cutler's college career

 

[KurtRambis4]

When you say his recruiting

is subpar, you're comparing to what, perenial top 10 programs?

Also, I love the "subpar play-calling" line, then Les Miles is mentioned as a replacement...

 

[121Josey]

Agreed. Unless he hits a series of less than 6 or 7 wins.

Honestly, that might happen. If we flirt with .500 this year, our 2017 schedule looks pretty brutal.

I have to disagree with you on that. We play Charleston on Nov. 4, allegedly. When was the last time State played a non-conference game in November (besides the BYU debacle of 2001)? The closest comes with ^Vandy in 2014.

With the young talent on the roster, it maybe the best opportunity State has to make it to Atlanta this decade. State should play this year for 2017. It looks like State is recruiting that way.

 

[121Josey]

I REALLY think people are underestimating how good Dak Prescott is. I really do.

I think people REALLY underestimate the flaws Dak had. Just like Bear, JRob and others, Dan maximized their talent. I think that a 3-year starter has the chance to eclipse Dak's record with so many skill players on the offensive side and a true vertical passing game.

 

[Moe Cabelle]

I honestly wonder about some of our fans. You criticize our guy who's bust his *** to build a program that's as solid as it's ever been, and your quick to give credit to those cheating *** bastards up the road. I realize they whooped us last year, but if we flip that one game, we're in the sugar bowl not them. I could be wrong but I see us getting back to our bread and butter this year w fitz. 7 straight bowl games easy.

 

[Ishmael]

The sad thing is that Ole Miss' possible sanctions are the only way we can hope to keep up with our in-state rivals. That's pathetic, sad, and embarrassing. Guess what? We have to beat Ole Miss to win the West because we have never come close to beating Bama.

What are you talking about? Over the time Freeze has been at Ole Miss, MSU and Ole Miss have exactly the same records and exactly the same conference records. It seems we've been keeping up with our in-state rivals just fine, even while they were engaged in behavior that's going to lead to sanctions.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Dumb thread.

 

[Dawg1976]

Agree Moe. Pretty amazing how some fans think.

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

1 of your points for not liking mullen is recruiting....which i dont think is nearly as bad by the time any particular class graduates. If anything players get better here....buuuut heres a scenario i think may be realistic.

What if mullen saw the wrigting on the wall with tsun and knew to keep "recruiting clean"? Maybe he knew NOT to get into certain battles with a team that's about to bite it with the ncaa, knowing when they do we'll have free range of all the recruits aaand be clean. So what folks say you cant recruit, still winning games and going to bowls.
But my guess is folks will now say the only reason he can recruit us because tsuns under sactions.....either way i think we are about to start winning more and he could leave for that reason.

 

[BKCBully]

Miles to State would be horrific. However if Mullen went to LSU they would be in the playoffs every other year.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

After reading this thread, I can sleep well tonight knowing that we still have a great number of stupid fans.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Exactly.

How many players has he put in the NFL? It's gotta be the most of any coach we've ever had.

 

[BiscuitEater]

This year will say A LOT. I've gone on record saying Mullen will not be our coach in January of 2018 regardless. He will either leave due to success or be fired. It's time. Hell, last year was time. Both Mullen and our program needed to part ways to continue to try to grow.

Totally disagree. This is the 'exact same' argument OM made to fire Cutcliffe. It's a 'false analogy.' It's the .. "We can ALWAYS go out and get a better coach," the Coach34 BS argument when we fired Stans.

Thankfully, Stricklin learned this lesson but it was the 'hard way.' After the problems State had in hiring Stans replacement .. no one will be able to convince me that Strick didn't have a Ben Howland commitment BEFORE he fired Ray.

IF WE HAD FIRED MULLEN, the 'winningest' coach in modern MSU history .. after a winning season .. after a bowl win, his 6th straight appearance .. playing in the toughest division in the toughest conference in CFB, exactly WHO are we going to convince to come coach in Starkville.

I VIVIDLY recall the C34 posts saying "Basketball Coaches would be standing in line to coach MSU." And we ended up with Ray.

 

[rugbdawg]

This is the crap that our fans spew. It's ridiculous. For example, since 2012 in the nonconference, Ole Miss has played three teams that have won 9 or more games. Let me know the last time we have played a 12 win team in our OOC schedule. Plus, we were extremely lucky to catch Mizzou in a down year last year. We got Kentucky AND Vandy in 2014. Come on, don't be a sheep. Egg Bowls: Three out of last four already AND heavy favorites to be four out of five.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Les Miles is considered in the "hot seat". He takes LSU to a mediocre 8-4 season (unlikely) and gets the boot. Mullen ***** the bed this season with a 5-7 record. Miles and Mullen both get the boot and Miles becomes a dawg. This is EXTREMELY unlikely, but fun to think about. I'm not a LSU fan by any means but I've always liked witch doctor Les.

Only an idiot would even think of swapping Mullen for Miles. Just can't think of any other coach that has done LESS with the talent he has available at LSU. And, I can't think of many players that have actually gotten 'better' at LSU.

Meanwhile, LSU 'owns' Louisiana WRT recruiting and has the 6th MOST revenue in of any school in the country at ~ $134M. At MSU, we have the less than half the budget ~$63M but we get way more out of it. See WSJ article .. Mississippi State Proof that Money isn't Everything.

Even the most pessimistic MSU fan have learned that Mullen 'can do more with less.' Yes, less talent, less budget. But his system works and he develops good players into 'better' players.

Instead of 'pissing and moaning' .. or maybe even trolling .. just get with the program?

 

[Junction John]

Y'all leave rugb alone and let him do his work... Although I do have to add --

We know, under Mullen, that we won't compete with Bama SABAN, ever. That's in stone.

I think you're only correct here as long as Saban is the coach, and we've been hearing rumors lately about him retiring (fingers crossed).

Bama has proven in the past to be just as capable as anyone to make a ****** hire, and I'd give Mullen about a 75% chance of being a better coach than the next guy on day 1. They might - MIGHT - go out and get a Mark Dantonio. But they also might hire Lane Kiffen. Or they might go back to the tried and true "former player" method, which I'm hoping for.

Plus, Croom beat them. /eot

 

[Palos verdes]

Miles would get a few more high level recruits here, but other than that, everything else would be worse.

 

[OliveBranchDAWG]

I'll get straight to the point and will not beat around the bush. How many seasons do you think Mullen will be a dawg?

The 2014 season was defiantly a peak in my eyes and I feel like we will stagnate at around 7-8 wins a season. That isn't necessarily a bad thing considering our past. I feel like fans and booster will start raising their expectations and force Mullen to rise up or quit. I've never been a huge fan of Mullen. His recruiting and play calling are sub par in my opinion.

Just imagine this scenario...

Les Miles is considered in the "hot seat". He takes LSU to a mediocre 8-4 season (unlikely) and gets the boot. Mullen ***** the bed this season with a 5-7 record. Miles and Mullen both get the boot and Miles becomes a dawg. This is EXTREMELY unlikely, but fun to think about. I'm not a LSU fan by any means but I've always liked witch doctor Les.

So let me get this straight. Mississippi State is coming off the greatest 2 year win total in history, currently in the midst of a 6 game bowl streak, developing NFL players at an unprecedented level, and offensively is performing at a school-record breaking pace; all while the SEC West is in its toughest era of all time.... and your solution to solve any "stagnation" Mississippi State football might have is to replace Dan Mullen with Les Miles? I think you need some perspective.

Reality of college football: outside of Saban & Meyer, any head coach will have problems & limitations. Mullen is an excellent coach who would lead any elite level program to championships (hell, State was 1 win away in 2014 from winning the West). Yes, he absolutely has limitations, I don't think he is a great motivator/people person, therefore State will occasionally start flat in big games, assistant turnover is high & recruiting doesn't come easy for Mullen. However, our athletic dept did a great job of addressing recruiting this off-season with the off-the-field coaching hires. Mullen is perfect for MSU, he is an offensive and QB genius which is what this program needed when he took over in 2009.

How could you forget what this program looked like before we hired Mullen? Scoring 30+ was almost unheard of, bowl games were a pipe dream, and QB play was abysmal. I promise you, there are many solid football programs who would trade for Mississippi State's situation right now. We are on the verge of starting one of the best defensive front 7's in the country, offensive weapons everywhere, and we just had a very talented QB transfer because of competition. This football team is in great hands, we have raised the ceiling for this program to where 8 wins and a bowl game is "stagnant". Enjoy the ride, don't waste these years wishing for something better because you "aren't a huge fan of Mullen".