Ok. As long as this Liggins decision is seemingly so important...

[gravedigger]

what, from Mississippi State's point of view makes him worth all the drama as opposed to 'settling' for the kid from Georgia.?

I know Liggins is good.He's big and agile.

I know we all wantto see the state recruiting champions lose one from their back yard.

But thekid from georgia is pretty good too.I just dont see the big deal about which one we get.

Or did I miss some other Nafoomer bet everyone a million hits ofextacy from Yancys ownditty bag?

 

[gravedigger]

what, from Mississippi State's point of view makes him worth all the drama as opposed to 'settling' for the kid from Georgia.?

I know Liggins is good.He's big and agile.

I know we all wantto see the state recruiting champions lose one from their back yard.

But thekid from georgia is pretty good too.I just dont see the big deal about which one we get.

Or did I miss some other Nafoomer bet everyone a million hits ofextacy from Yancys ownditty bag?

 

[Goat Grindin]

I don't give two ***** about beating Ole Miss for him. We've already dominated them on the crootin' trail.<div>
</div><div>Back to the first part, I guess it's no so bad since we have Prescott. But I want some running QBs. This Schuessler guy looks like a skinny white kid to me. I know Liggins can run. That's why I want him. I do realize, however, that the chances of him becoming Cam-esque are very slim. </div>

 

[gravedigger]

Waiting behind Prescott, who hasnt even won the job yet. Prescott has 4 years to play 4. And he'll use 2 of them beating out Tyler.

Sure, injuries could happen. But Liggins has been the man and I'm not sure he can wait when at OM, he's got a legit chance to start year one.

His dillemma seems to be whether he can stand to be on a team that has one more year of *** kickings before it can think about bowl eligibility.

If Liggins sees himself in another position, I think he'd be worth the fretting. But I think he's a qb in his mind. He'd wind up unhappy at State. </p>

 

[shsdawg]

for what we have done with Relf at QB. He isa bigger Relf who can throw it a LOT better than Relf could coming out of HS. Liggins would be very good for us and we would be very good for him. That being said it won't happen. No way he chooses us on the square. He only goes one other place than UM from what I have always heard and we ain't it. From whatI hear that place hasn't offered. I wouldn't assume he doesn't have a shot at starting for us.till the two we have are done. I think he might could start, NOW. That's aa long shot but in our system he certainly has the tools.

 

[maroonmania]

Liggins is probably a better Relf type that is even bigger, more athletic and throws the ball better. Schuessler I've heard described as more of a poor man's Russell though I've not seen him play. If Liggins didn't fit what Mullen likes to do on offense so well he really wouldn't be a very important recruit to us. In fact, for most teams, Liggins would likely end up at another position. I personally don't know how much Freeze's offense utilizes a running QB but I would be very surprised if its anywhere near like what Mullen does.

 

[dawgoneyall]

Plug on liggins...anyway I am tired with QBs with and IQ less than dirt.

 

[Incognegro]

If we're not the other option, who would that other be? LSU?

 

[jeremyrbrown]

nm

 

[Goat Grindin]

Recruits should, if they are smart, make their decisions based on the school, rather than a coaching scheme primarily.

 

[shsdawg]

it's time for you folks to give that a rest. Mullen was GONE if Penn State came open remember? He was gone when Florida came open remember? He is still here. Perhaps y'all need to listen to what the man actually says.

 

[shsdawg]

If we're not the other option, who would that other be? LSU?

Bama.

 

[Goat Grindin]

the way most of our stupid *** fans talk, he may be fired within 5 years. Probably not, but the point is that in this day and age the probability of a coach staying in one place for 7 to 8 years isn't that great. <div>
</div><div>Freeze just got to Ole Miss. </div><div>
</div><div>Liggins' decision isn't about schemes or coaches anyway.</div>

 

[maroonmania]

but I think its become pretty clear now that at least for the immediate future Mullen has no intention of going anywhere.

 

[shsdawg]

give it a rest.We aren't gonna fire him either, not for a long time if ever. We ain't Ole Miss. Freeze will be fired in two years if he doesn't win immediately. THAT is Ole Miss.

 

[Todd4State]

He would be a good fit for our offense at QB. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not about beating out Ole Miss or stars- heck, he is a three star for whatever that is worth. It's about getting someone that would help us to win. I think if you have a chance to get a good player like him, you go for it.

Quite frankly, if he wants to play QB, we're a good fit for him as well. Dan has had QB's similar to him, and they have all been successful in Dan's offense.

If he goes to Ole Miss, I don't think he would play QB. Sure, they may let him try it out at first like Alabama did with Jimmy Johns, but the reality is he would probably be moved to the D-line.

 

[gravedigger]

But I'm in the camp that his best shot at a snap at qb before the year 2014 is in Oxford. That's why im not nearly as dissapointed.

I dont dissagree one bit that the kid's skills are a match for Mullen and that Mullen has proved what he can do with that type as opposed to Freeze.

But as far as a necessary 'get' in this class, he's just not the commodity that Brassel or Singleton were because of our needs at WR. Yes we need someone at qb. But my thinking is that the qb position is something that can be gotten ANYWHERE in the country and we need to put our emphasis elsewhere.

I'd say at wide receiver, Cornerback (for the future) and Offensive line. We have 4 years of the qb situation right now in hand.

I'm thinking this whole drama is about what it means to get Liggins to State from their back yard even more than what his ability to crack our 2 deep is.

We get him and they are a one trick (Channing Ward) pony this year.

 

[Alldog]

I don't give two ***** about beating Ole Miss for him. We've already dominated them on the crootin' trail.
<div>
</div><div>Back to the first part, I guess it's no so bad since we have Prescott. But I want some running QBs. This Schuessler guy looks like a skinny white kid to me. I know Liggins can run. That's why I want him. I do realize, however, that the chances of him becoming Cam-esque are very slim. </div>

Does it matter if he is white?

 

[shsdawg]

for UM then? We do NOT have the QB situation in hand for four years. Russell hasn't proven he can do it and Prescott has never played a DOWN of college football. Liggins will compete for the job next year, if a miricle happens and we actually get him. It's a moot point but trying to run him off by explaining why he won't play is just nutts. He WOULD be perfect for our system.

 

[Goat Grindin]

nm

 

[maroonmania]

its about getting another QB in the mold of Dak Prescott to have some consistency with what we do on offense. Russell will likely begin the year starting next year because of his years in the system but he is not the type QB Mullen prefers. And unless Freeze runs a QB run heavy offense there is no way I believe Liggins will ever be as productive at UM as he would be under Mullen. Liggins size won't really help him in an offense that uses a pocket QB. In fact, given Wallace's experience already in Freeze's offense and the fact that he is 3 years older and likely a better passer at this point he is going to have a big leg up on playing time over Liggins for the time being. And that doesn't even count the other guys on the roster that will be competing as well (Mackey?, Stoudt, Brunetti etc.).

 

[maroonmania]

explain to Liggins why NOT to come to MSU. And the arguments he's using aren't even good ones.

 

[Todd4State]

And they may very well stick him out there in the wildcat for a few snaps to try to spite people like me that say he won't play QB there. But I do not think he will beat out Bo Wallace with the kind of spread that they want to run. Or Stoudt either. And then they have Beathard in this class. You do not recruit a JUCO QB like Wallace if you do not intend to start him. And I'm sure that they will probably go hard after whatever QB wants to transfer from a big name school in the meantime. I'm not sure where Bunetti and Mackey fit into all of this either.

Whatever happens, happens- if we don't get him, QB is a must in the next class in my mind.


No doubt recruiting is a ridiculous soap opera. I like my stance of following it for whom we are getting and how they fit in rather than whose coach is fighting who in the yard or what t-shirt some recruit was wearing the other day at the basketball game.

It's a shame that recruits don't follow the Devon Desper model if they know where they want to go or the Richie Brown model if they truly don't know where they want to go. If all recruits did things like those two, recruiting would be a lot more pleasant to follow.

 

[shsdawg]

I guess.

 

[MedDawg]

<div>Going back farther: OM before Freeze: 10 coaches over 42 years. MSU before Mullen: 6 coaches over 42 years.</div><div>
</div><div>So which coach is more likely to still be at their current school in 5 years? Mullen or Freeze? I'd bet on Mullen.</div>

 

[HotMop]

Has everyone forgotten about Dak? I know we need a 3rd option but isn't he going to be a RSF next year or did I miss a year?

 

[patdog]

We've hada good class either way, and I'm still not convinced that he's better than Scheussler anyway. </p>

 

[maroonmania]

otherwise Schuessler would already have an offer.