ok baseball fans....Polks last 2 recruiting classes

[Coach34]

didnt make the top 30...for those of you that are slow- that is our Sophomore and Juniors currently....and the Soph class didnt even make the Collegiate Baseball Top 40....

So, given that information...what exactly do you think Cohen can do with the ******** he was left the by the Legend?

 

[rebel law]

The bottom line is you have to either give Cohen some responsibility for the first 2 seasons at MSU or he has to assume some responsibility for the last 2 years at UK. He can't be given a free pass for both his new team and his old team. I think the reason that some MSU fans are pissed right now is because people like yourself put unrealisitc expectations on him when he was hired. He has been an SEC coach for 7 seasons. He has missed Hoover and a regionalin 5 of them and finished with single digit SEC wins in 4 of them. I'm not saying the guy is going to be a failure at MSU but the guy isn't a miracle worker or God's gift to baseball. He deserves credit for winning the SEC at UK but then again, you either have to give him credit for UK's last 2 seasons or MSU's first two seasons. He has to be responsible for one or the other.</p>

 

[57stratdawg]

60% of the current roster are Cohen's players? Nevermind the % of offensive production that comes from Polk's players.

 

[Todd4State]

didnt make the top 30...for those of you that are slow- that is our Sophomore and Juniors currently....and the Soph class didnt even make the Collegiate Baseball Top 40....



So, given that information...what exactly do you think Cohen can do with the ******** he was left the by the Legend?

It's not just the fact that we have no talent, we have very little depth. He said we have to have good class after good class, and get to the point where we are starting juniors and seniors every year. We do have some seniors this year, but the problem is, we are going to have to start freshmen and JUCO's next year.

Polk left us a big mess.

 

[Coach34]

Polk left us a big mess...and Rebel Law- not sure why you keep saying I put unrealistic expectations on him- i'm defending him now that we are struggling to achieve- I'm not sure how that equals underachievement...I will say that I did underestimate how bad Polk left the program, but when you examine it, its very obvious how bad a job Polk did.


We have a large number of players we count on playing their first season of SEC baseball...that is a recipe for failure. SEC baseball = SEC football....and until people realize this- ignorance will continue to spew


Polk's last 2 recruiting classes couldnt break the top 40, but we expect Cohen to beat top 20 teams with what he was left with? Thats kind of dumb

 

[BigLeagueChew]

Cohen's first class would be sophs and his second class are freshmen.

 

[Coach34]

Cohen was hired in June of 2008...recruiting is basically then...the freshman for 2009 dont wait till June to sign a scholly if they are worth a ****....

This season's Freshmen are Cohen's 1st class

 

[RobbieRandolph]

So John inherited that class (plus whoever signed during summer 2008) coming in and his first Fall here got the current Freshmen to sign.

 

[bill brasky.sixpack]

He has only had one class, there is no arguing that. But I would still like to know if everyone that blames Polk for us being terrible these last two years, blames Cohen for Kentucky being below average the last two years.

 

[jackstefano]

you'll see that the detractors here, like many MSU supporters I speak with, are deeply disappointed with the coach because:

1) in his second year, this is the worst team they've ever seen;
2) fundamentals are expansion-Mets-poor;
3) a lot of the production is coming from players recruited by (gasp) Polk;
4) Cohen is apprently abrasive in the clubhouse;
5) apparently next year the teamis going to be as bad if not worse.

Expecting fans to look 2 years into the future -- and a total of 4 years into a regime -- for any hope of success is a tough pill to swallow. Especially when your main rival is doing well, LSU just won a NC, and other West teams are in the top 25. Asking for patience may be the correct thing to do, but I'm not surprised that many fans are despondent at this point.

 

[Coach34]

you'll see that the detractors here, like many MSU supporters I speak with, are deeply disappointed with the coach because:

1) in his second year, this is the worst team they've ever seen;
2) fundamentals are expansion-Mets-poor;
3) a lot of the production is coming from players recruited by (gasp) Polk;
4) Cohen is apprently abrasive in the clubhouse;
5) apparently next year the teamis going to be as bad if not worse.

Expecting fans to look 2 years into the future -- and a total of 4 years into a regime -- for any hope of success is a tough pill to swallow. Especially when your main rival is doing well, LSU just won a NC, and other West teams are in the top 25. Asking for patience may be the correct thing to do, but I'm not surprised that many fans are despondent at this point.

Worst team they have ever seen??? We are very much on par with our record the last 2 seasons
Polk's players should do most of the production- they should be 75% of the team
Polk's last 2 recruiting classes didnt even break the top 40 in the nation- why should we compete in the best conference in the nation?
Cohen has won everywhere he has been- doesnt he deserve the time to win here?

Too many State fans think our program has been better than what it really is- truth is, we are a 6th-9th SEC program the last 10 years, and turning this program around is going to take time.

 

[rebel law]

I just remember hearing regional in year 1, hosting in year 2, dominating in year 3, etc... There has been a ton of backtracking now that it appears it is going to take a little longer than the 3 years it took at UK. Everyrebuilding job is different and I will agree that the juniors Polk left behind aren't very impressive and the fact that you have so many seniors really tells the story on the caliber players Polk was brining in towards the end. I think the class Cohen is bringing in this year will be the one to build the foundation on, not the current freshman class (sorry Todd, that's just myopinion).

 

[Coach34]

and most of it is because so many State fans can't believe Polk let the program slip as far as he did. They still deny it when it is staring them in the face...things like "not winning the SEC since 1989" and "never winning the West since realignment in 1992" and "1 World Series appearance in the last 12 years" seems to be quite an eye opener to alot of fans- I keep hearing- "i had no idea"....

yep..."no idea" is right

 

[Todd4State]

I just remember hearing regional in year 1, hosting in year 2, dominating in year 3, etc... There has been a ton of backtracking now that it appears it is going to take a little longer than the 3 years it took at UK. Everyrebuilding job is different and I will agree that the juniors Polk left behind aren't very impressive and the fact that you have so many seniors really tells the story on the caliber players Polk was brining in towards the end. I think the class Cohen is bringing in this year will be the one to build the foundation on, not the current freshman class (sorry Todd, that's just myopinion).

were hoping that the current players would show a little more gumption instead of being a bunch of pussies. But they are what they are. What's most disappointing to me about them in general is I don't think they want to win quite badly enough. I'm not saying that they're not trying, or that they're tanking or anything like that. But their best just isn't good enough. I think the people that were saying that were hoping that Cohen could fire them up and rally them to that level, but instead they've been very resistant. For the record, and you can get Ronny to look it up, I was saying that Cohen's first year would be his establishment year, and this year would be a rebuilding year. I know you weren't calling me out, I'm just pointing out what I said, and I will admit that I thought that this year would be better as I predicted 30 wins.

I actually agree with your opinion if for no other reason than we're bringing in so many position players next year. Eventually they will be the ones in the field. This first class was mainly to build a foundation as far as the pitching staff goes, as far as the freshmen that were brought in are concerned- I'm not referring to the JUCO guys.

But when you put the two classes together, then you have hopefully a good foundation to build on. Because what you have to build with in the SEC is freshmen that can get into your program for 2-3 years and develop, not JUCO guys.

 

[rebel law]

and I will be honest, I was pretty impressed with Cohen. If nothing else, he definitely talks like he knows what he is doing. I have been hard on them but I'm sure y'alls freshman arms will improve but I think it will be alot more fun next year watching all of the talented freshman position players MSU is bringing in. Great pitchers can be successful in the SEC as freshman but it is much more common for position players to come in and be instant impact guys. After watching Reinstetle bring in juco recruit after juco recruit, I am definitely sold that you can't make a living doing that but I can see why Cohen tried that approach last year to provide some stability in the short term. It just didn't work out. I think there will still be plenty of growing pains next year but if this class yall are brining in is as talented as I think it is (and I am obviously a harsh critic of MSU players) I think the ship will be heading in the right direction in 2012 and the results will show up in the win column

 

[markymark.sixpack]

is watching Peaches come to cohen's rescue all day every day. it's almost worth it to me. as far as cohen, i'm not quite ready to pass judgement, but the outlook is not good. next year has the potential to be really bad too. Hopefully, I'm wrong; at least I can admit that's an option. Little Peaches is too busy making excuses for him to even consider that this may end badly for us. For the time being though, I am going to sit back and watch Peaches act EXACTLYlike every SPS poster he's ever bashed.

Go ahead "coach", keep googling. You're doing a good job buddy!

 

[whatever.sixpack]

The bottom line is you have to either give Cohen some responsibility for the first 2 seasons at MSU or he has to assume some responsibility for the last 2 years at UK. He can't be given a free pass for both his new team and his old team.
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Great point, and did anyone ever address it? No, everyone dances around the fact that UK has been well below average the last two years.

Coach always says 2004 ain't coming back for Stansbury, but Cohen's one or two year run may not be coming back either. I'm not saying it won't, b/c I think he's a great recruiter, but it's possible.

The mental and fundamental mistakes we continue to make, the turmoil going on, our lack of playing loose and confidently in clutch situations, the JUCOS he's brought in that suck, UK sucking now, and some of the pitchers he recruited seeming to regress and lose confidence as the season goes on are enough of a reason to worry a little.

 

[8dog]

off the field. I've seen him speak 3-4 times and he is really sharp. That's why it was so hard to believe when the stories started coming out about some of the things he says during the season.

 

[DerHntr]

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[Coach34]

I'll give him some credit for Kentucky falling on their face now...but you do realize he is no longer there doing the recruiting right?

Bottom line- Cohen has won everywhere he has been as a coach. He gets 2 more years after this season to make it happen here

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Bottom line- Cohen has won everywhere he has been as a coach.

Except here.