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[windcrysmary]

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I lived in New Orleans 4 years prior to my current stint here in north Texas

I got to personally know the LSU guy that literally knocked the MSU running back unconcious before he "crossed" the goal line at Starkville the year we beat LSU... we got a VERY favorable call on that 4th and goal play that we needed to win that game...

he held a pretty decent job as an account rep that in all honesty, didn't have the personal tools that are normally required to hold this position...

he held it due to the obligations his LSU alumumni boss had to the football program...

based on what I saw, I would be willing to bet that recruits get to also visit those who did not make it to the NFL and what type of life they have now..

this should be a major talking point in regards to what we have in regards to building a football program..

what do we have to offer if the NFL does not call?

 

[windcrysmary]

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I lived in New Orleans 4 years prior to my current stint here in north Texas

I got to personally know the LSU guy that literally knocked the MSU running back unconcious before he "crossed" the goal line at Starkville the year we beat LSU... we got a VERY favorable call on that 4th and goal play that we needed to win that game...

he held a pretty decent job as an account rep that in all honesty, didn't have the personal tools that are normally required to hold this position...

he held it due to the obligations his LSU alumumni boss had to the football program...

based on what I saw, I would be willing to bet that recruits get to also visit those who did not make it to the NFL and what type of life they have now..

this should be a major talking point in regards to what we have in regards to building a football program..

what do we have to offer if the NFL does not call?

 

[Faustdog]

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I got to personally know the LSU guy that literally knocked the MSU running back unconcious before he "crossed" the goal line at Starkville the year we beat LSU... we got a VERY favorable call on that 4th and goal play that we needed to win that game...

That did not happen. Rod Gibson was not knocked unconscious. There was no doubt that he crossed the goal line. Whether his knee touched before is questionable and no video could show either way, but from where I was sitting it looked like he was in.

But about your question, it would be very smart of them of course to look at this type of things. I don't think they do. I think the majority have it in their heads that they're going to the league.

 

[biguglyjoe]

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That's all I've got.

 

[windcrysmary]

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was interviewed...

 

[ckDOG]

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I wouldn't think there is a substantial network of non-NFL ex football players from big time D1 programs that are significantly better off than their non-football player counterparts - just because of their football past. Certainly there's an element of that, but I doubt it's enough to be a big factor in college choice.

 

[MSUCostanza]

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with Rod. He told me he had no idea if he crossed the goal line or not before his knee hit. He said there were some nasty things going on in that pile for damn sure.

 

[Dawgtini]

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murder and coke dealer. Don't we have all of those covered?

 

[FlabLoser]

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[biguglyjoe]

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There was some website that had him listed as a MSU alumnus.

 

[GloryDawg]

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">That sounds like the sale Vandy and Duke Put's on high school kid. As far a Miss State and LSU you are going to get the same education. Hell as far as Miss State and Harvard goes you are going to get the same education. Obviously the Harvard degree will weigh more and will open more doors but really, how many ways can you teach English Grammar? How many ways can you teach math? How many ways can you teach physic? </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></p>

I had a history professor at Miss State who taught at Harvard and was a Harvard graduate.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> He even told me this. Obiously the the qualification to get in is a little harder but once you get in it is no harder.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></p>

My cousin has a BA from Miss College.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> He has a Masters in physic from Vandy and he has his PHD in physic from Stanford.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> He taught physic at both schools and he said that physic at those two schools were no harder then physic at Miss College.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></p>

The problem with Miss State is location.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Our location is hard to sell.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Hell what we need to do is give free education to good looking women with big tittys.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> You get the girls, you get the guys.</p>

I am telling you, tit scholarships, that's the way to go.</p>

 

[615dawg]

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that was a former MSU athlete that worked in a position that he had no business being in, because the big boss was a MSU alum.

In two years, he was shuffled from department to department and they finally made a position for him that pretty much does nothing, he used to sit in an office all day and watch YouTube videos, take three hour lunches, take business trips to the coast or Memphis, etc.

It created a problem in the company, because everyone knew he was protected. Sure, he could tell you a good story or two, but he certainly was not pulling his weight in the company, and it created dissention between people.

If a player doesn't make it to the NFL, they'd better take their academics seriously.

 

[GloryDawg]

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I heard that the QB for Jackson Prep is being recruited by Duke. If so, I don't care who else offers he better take the dang scholarship from Duke. He has a lot better chance to make something of him self with a Duke education then playing football. Plus he will have a better chance of getting on the field.

 

[8dog]

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if you want to be a doctor, then yes, go to Duke. But for most people in MS and their aspirations, a degree from Duke is worth no more than a degree from State or Ole Miss.

 

[DerHntr]

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regardless of the degree when compared to MSU or OM, and that is even if the job is back in MS.

after that, most of it will come down to experience and past performance (edit: and who you know).

 

[8dog]

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I know people that do hiring and they don't give a damn if you went to state, duke, harvard or Hinds. And that's just speaking in head to head terms. Chances are if a guy goes to Duke and wants to be a sales rep for someone, he and the guy from State or Ole Miss can both land jobs that will have similar pay.

I think degrees from those universities are incredibly overrated for the large majority of Mississippians. Just like post grad degrees are overrated.

 

[DerHntr]

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you would likely change your response.

i know people who hire too and it very often makes a difference, especially when looking at professional, white collared jobs.

 

[8dog]

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in Mississippi, Memphis, and B'ham where State students mostly go? I'd be surprised if its that if anything.

Do first year accountants in Memphis get paid more b/c they went to Duke and not State? Do sales reps get paid more b/c they went to Duke and not State? Do people starting at Regions in Jackson or Memphis or B'ham get paid more b/c they went to Duke? Do people who have connections in MS need to go to Duke?

Maybe the answers to all of those is "yes" but I'd be really surprised.

If you want to go to med school, yeah, I'd say go to Duke. If you want to go to NYC or another big city, go to Duke.

 

[DerHntr]

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you obviously didn't get that.

edit to give an example:

you said it doesn't matter if the person is from Harvard or Hinds. OK.

so both walk into BancorpSouth for a loan officer position. both have equal experience. Person from Harvard has a degree in Banking and Finance. Person from Hinds has an associates degree in banking and finance. I am saying the Harvard person gets that job 95% of the time. Thus, the Hinds person has to go try to find another job. That happens over and over again and you get an average starting salary that is higher for those people with what you like to call "similar" degrees.

 

[8dog]

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in markets they don't care about being in and that was my point that I originally made.

 

[DerHntr]

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any time you are looking at averages you can poke holes in it so we could do this all day.

any way you look at it, people get higher paying jobs when leaving those schools on average. if i could get my kid in one of those schools one day on scholarship then i would do it.

 

[jakldawg]

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so the next play (where the ball was close enough, apparently) was a make-up call. But amazingly, the only thing any LSU fan remembers about that whole game is that one 4th down play.
Back to the topic at hand: perhaps the job prospects for our football players would be better if they weren't all either (I'm speculating here) exercise science or communications majors.

 

[ckDOG]

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Obviously, it largely dependent on what type of career you are pursuing. For example, I did the public accounting thing straight out of college. I worked in an international firm that recruits all over the board - Ivy League, wannabe ivy league (vandy, duke, etc.), small liberal arts schools (rhodes, milsaps), down to major state universities. You won't find a major discrepancy in pay between the graduates amongst them (at any level) and from my experience, the state university professionals weren't any less competent or prepared than the schools with excellent reputations. Discrepancies in pay are largely tied into where they lived. That's a HUGE reason why you those initial salaries are larger at schools like Duke. Their graduates tend to work in high-cost cities on the east cost. Our graduates go back to MS or work in B-ham, Memphis, Atlanta, etc. - all lower cost southern citites where average salaries are naturally going to be lower. But, my experience was just from public accounting. If I did it again, there is no way in hell I would think the extra cost in a Duke-type education would be merited. 100k in debt vs. 10k in debt with no discrepancies in pay - that's a no brainer.

Of course, if I was going the more competitive route (I-banking, medical, MBA, law, etc.) and had my sights set on living in NYC and keeping up with the rest of the crowd, then yes, I'd have gone to a big name high cost school. Duke would win in a Duke vs. MSU scenario in that situation. But, that lifestyle is not my cup of tea.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

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any time you are looking at averages you can poke holes in it so we could do this all day.

any way you look at it, people get higher paying jobs when leaving those schools on average. if i could get my kid in one of those schools one day on scholarship then i would do it.

I would think there is only a 19.83% chance they would come back to MS in the first place.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

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Always have to keep location in mind.

 

[dawgoneyall]

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scored.

More LSU BS.

The runner scored the time before.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

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...I don't think you used the best argument. My sister earned her bachelor degree at MSU, her MD at UMC, and then started her internship at Duke before finishing it at Stanford. Her husband's a Cornell grad who earned his MD at Duke, and interned at Stanford.

When it comes to specific professional programs such as medicine or law, I think it doesn't matter where you start college as an undergraduate but if you show the talent and intellect desired by the more elite institutions, then you can attend them as a graduate student. That being said, being accepted by an elite university such as Duke would obviously better prepare an undergraduate.</p>

 

[Frexzell]

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you have read "The Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell. If you have not, you need to. In fact, everyone needs to. It shows why people are successful (hint: the school you went to has very little to do with anything).

 

[Henry Kissinger]

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I sure as hell wouldn't recommend going to Duke if you just wanted to go to med school

 

[LR1400]

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I wouldn't think there is a substantial network of non-NFL ex football players from big time D1 programs that are significantly better off than their non-football player counterparts - just because of their football past. Certainly there's an element of that, but I doubt it's enough to be a big factor in college choice.

Doing better than their counterparts in class....probably not.

Doing better than their folks or kin. YES! If you do not believe that you are naive.

Through business you will meet countless former Bama players who have jobs and connections they would not have if they were not former players.

 

[jack.sixpack]

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no way that touchdown was legit... yes he definitely crossed the goaline, but his knee was definintely down before he crossed. When Rob tells everyone that he has no clue if he crossed or not, should be a sign that he did not. and yes i know he was "knocked out", but I don't care if I'm knocked out or not, I'm going to tell everyone that I crossed the goaline, which he never tells people.

Thank god for the blown call though.</p>

 

[ckDOG]

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Doing better than their folks or kin. YES! If you do not believe that you are naive.

What are you talking about? Are all athletes products of poor/uneducated families? I don't see how you can assume that athletes are better off than their folks.

Through business you will meet countless former Bama players who have jobs and connections they would not have if they were not former players.

Through business you will meet countless former Bama players who have jobs and connections they would not have if they were not <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">former players</span> college graduates.

Fixed it for you.

Seriously though, I'm sure there are some alum that like to take care of football players. I'm not going to say it never happens. But, 9 times out of 10, its probably a pretty average job that's nothing worth bragging about. But, I doubt football players are being lined up with cush 9-5 jobs making a high salary unless something else qualified them for meriting it. Only morons and weirdos with severe man-crushes would give somebody a job based solely on their past performance on the football field.

Now, being on the football team may be a great way to network with alums to get your name out for a job you are qualified for. I'll buy into that. That definitely would happen and obviously happens in other aspects (fraternity/sorority, charity work, civic organizations, etc.). I'm just simply saying that nobody would pick a football program based on alumni giving out great jobs to former football players that may or may not be qualified for it. I just don't think there are that many stupid people doing that to ever make that a factor. The degree players obtain is what does the majority of the talking.

 

[MedDawg]

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no way that touchdown was legit... yes he definitely crossed the goaline, but his knee was definintely down before he crossed. When Rob tells everyone that he has no clue if he crossed or not, should be a sign that he did not. and yes i know he was "knocked out", but I don't care if I'm knocked out or not, I'm going to tell everyone that I crossed the goaline, which he never tells people.

Thank god for the blown call though.</p>

The higher view from the side made it look like the knee touched, but the low view from the opposite endzone, especially the continuous view, showed that he spun around and extended before the knee touched.

You will notice again and again on other games' replays that a high sideline view (especially a still pic) will make it look like someone's knee touches, but the ground view camera will show it doesn't.

Gibson actually scored on the previous play anyway but they marked him short.

 

[MedDawg]

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such as Stanford. I'm a huge State fan but also a parent, and I'll think, "Dang, it would REALLY hard to turn down a free ride to Stanford" (ignoring the Left Coast aspect for this discussion). However, some of the comments here also make sense--where and what the student athlete wants to do (other than go pro) does make a difference.

Depending on the industry, top top schools such as Stanford or Northwestern or Duke (sticking to BCS Schools) will nationally open some doors almost not available to a Mississippi State grad. Doesn't matter if the classes are any harder at the academic schools--the reputation of the school will get your foot in the door.

On the other hand, if you go to Stanford but want to come back to Mississippi to work, you may actually find yourself behind those who have been at MSU or UM and have made contacts or are seeking jobs from MSU/UM alums.

For grad school, if you make excellent grades at MSU and make a good score on the test--GRE, MCAT, LSAT, etc., then you can get in anywhere. Same with going to UMC in Jackson--the top students can (and do) get into the best residency programs.

And of course, so much depends on the student's personality, interview, writing ability, etc.

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[GloryDawg]

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"writing ability"

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I know now why I did not get into Havard Law School.