ok..no more offense...lets talk Stansbury a minute...

[Coach34]

Got this idea a couple of weeks ago...lets see what you guys think....Buy/Sell:

Ron Polk 1998= Ricky Stansbury 2008

I'm buying...here's why:

RP 1998- believed to be the best coach State could ever hire..RS 2008- same thing by so many sheep
RP 1998- known for getting to regionals and Series, yet cant seriously threaten to win it...RS 2008- same thing
RP 1998- the face of MSU baseball....RS 2008- has become the face of MSU basketball
RP 1998- is successful, yet strategy gets exposed in big games...RS 2008- same thing

So many similarities between these two. They run good programs, yet cant seem to win a big one...For years and years it was "Miss State couldnt hire anybody better than Ron Polk"...yet we just did. My guess is the same thing is going to be said about Stansbury years from now...

 

[Coach34]

Got this idea a couple of weeks ago...lets see what you guys think....Buy/Sell:

Ron Polk 1998= Ricky Stansbury 2008

I'm buying...here's why:

RP 1998- believed to be the best coach State could ever hire..RS 2008- same thing by so many sheep
RP 1998- known for getting to regionals and Series, yet cant seriously threaten to win it...RS 2008- same thing
RP 1998- the face of MSU baseball....RS 2008- has become the face of MSU basketball
RP 1998- is successful, yet strategy gets exposed in big games...RS 2008- same thing

So many similarities between these two. They run good programs, yet cant seem to win a big one...For years and years it was "Miss State couldnt hire anybody better than Ron Polk"...yet we just did. My guess is the same thing is going to be said about Stansbury years from now...

 

[DowntownDawg]

...is Rick to Bianco. Both have elite conference teams and conference and/or conference tourney championships to show for it. Both can't do anything on the national level. Remember Polk has some CWS appearances under his belt.

However, you underestimate the difference between the MSU baseball job and the MSU basketball job. One is infinitely more attractive, and one is, at best a middle of the road type job. In short, there is no John Cohen out there for MSU basketball.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

Big difference: Stansbury is a tenacious recruiter, Polk not so much.

 

[Stormrider81]

"My guess is the same thing is going to be said about Stansbury years from now... "

My guess is people will one day realize that Stansbury is about as good as it will get at State in hoops.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

Polk truly was a fixture on the landscape of college baseball. I think time had left him behind. However, he really is a colelge baseball legend. Stansbury is not that. At all. I don't disagree with coaching flaws. I think at one point, Polk's coaching was solid. He just failed to change. I am not sure that has ever been the case with Stansbury.

I thought the Polk hire was a good rehire at the time. I was wrong. We could have clearly hired an extraordinary coach at the time. We were better positioned to do that back then than we were this year, and we made an extraordinary hire this year in my book.

Overall, I am fairly satisfied with the job Stansbury does. I guess that makes me a "settler" meaning I settle for less than stellar seasons. But, I do believe we can hire someone as good as Stansbury.

 

[Coach34]

"However, you underestimate the difference between the MSU baseball job and the MSU basketball job. One is infinitely more attractive, and one is, at best a middle of the road type job. In short, there is no John Cohen out there for MSU basketball."

Polk built that up during the 80's making this program very attractive. Ricky is doing the same in basketball currently...Our name is mentioned with the Kentucky's and Florida's in basketball. We compete for recruits with those guys...

 

[patdog]

The MSU baseball coaching job is one of the best jobs in the country. It's not hard at all to win in baseball here. In fact, it's pretty damn hard not to. The MSU basketball job is one of the tougher jobs in the country (at one time it was commonly believed to be the toughest place to win in the country). Not to mention that when it comes to recruiting, which is the lifeblood of any college athletic program, Stans is the anti-Polk.</p>

 

[patdog]

Our name is mentioned with the Kentucky's and Florida's in basketball.

That's about the biggest line of ******** you've ever posted.

 

[Coach34]

"My guess is people will one day realize that Stansbury is about as good as it will get at State in hoops."

what people were saying about Polk back in the day when he clearly wasnt

 

[patdog]

"My guess is people will one day realize that Stansbury is about as good as it will get at State in hoops."

what people were saying about Polk back in the day when he clearly wasnt

I've wanted that SOB gone ever since he un-retired back in 1993 (not sure of the exact year). Only the wooliest of sheep have thought Polk was the best coach we could hire since then. </p>

 

[futaba.79]

not Polk.

 

[Uncle Leo]

He had to put us on a higher plane than we're on.

 

[Stormrider81]

The wooliest of our fanbase? Well, if we are going to start marching out everything they have said and make it common opinion then we are in for quite an ordeal. When Polk was rehired in 2001 the opinions were pretty mixed. Some were downright upset, some were thrilled, some were cautiously optimistic, some were dissappointed but hoped for the best, and some were just indifferent. There was anything but a consensus. Cohen, on the other hand, was extremely well received by and large.

 

[patdog]

But, I do believe we can hire someone as good as Stansbury.

We could hire a coach as good as Stans if we were in the market right now. But I'd put the odds something like this:

Better than Stans - 5%
As good as Stans - 10%
A little worse than Stans - 25%
Significantly worse than Stans - 30%
A lot worse than Stans - 30%

With those odds, I'm hoping we keep Stans for the foreseeable future.
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[Stormrider81]

I was wondering if I was the only one that caught that.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...Remember the discussion of where the MSU baseball fit in as far as top jobs? Some sheeple (ok, cowbell) put it in the top 5. A few more said top 10. But even the rebel posters said top 20. State's basketball job is nowhere near the top 20 most attractive jobs. John Cohen turned down a buttload of money to come to State to coach. We would have to offer an equivalent amount of money to get the basketball equivalent of John Cohen to even consider coming, and even then he probably wouldn't.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

I am satisfied. So, I think we should keep him -- for this one reason, if no other:

Sometimes when you think you are hiring a coach that is as good or better, it doesn't turn out that way. Sort of like how Bama didn't win the national championship last year. </p>

 

[redfish66]

we can keep getting these great redundant after redundant threads from Coach34 on how ****** Stansbury is. it is such good reading

now cue coach34 to make some rude remark about my wife or my mother

 

[Liverdawg]

We compete for recruits with Florida and Kentucky because Stansbury gets off his *** and recruits them. Hence the reason that people refer to him as an expert recruiter.

Polk built that up during the 80's making this program very attractive. Ricky is doing the same in basketball currently...Our name is mentioned with the Kentucky's and Florida's in basketball. We compete for recruits with those guys...

 

[Coach34]

the point of the thread was that by 1993, Polk had taken the program as far as he could take it. I think we are starting to see that point with Stansbury...i think its gone as far as he can take it...

 

[patdog]

When Stans starts spending more time bitching about the NCAA than he does recruiting and coaching, then you might be able to compare him to Polk. Downtown was right, if you're going to compare Stans to anybody in baseball, the one to compare him to is Bianco.</p>

 

[fishwater99]

the point of the thread was that by 1993, Polk had taken the program as far as he could take it. I think we are starting to see that point with Stansbury...i think its gone as far as he can take it...

I agree Stans will never get us to the Final Four, or even the Sweet Sixteen.
He can recuit like hell, but when it comes to game managment and coaching he could be significantly better.
The problem is if we get rid of him, we could hire a better game coach, but now way in hell we get a better recuiter in S-Vegas.

Face it we are stuck with Stans until he has several bad years in a row or he decides to leave us.
Let's just hope Stans has a huge recruiting year next year and the players take care of business on the court for themselves...
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[prairiedawg]

but not happy. This constant stream of players coming and going is troubling. All the bitching and moaning that goes on here not withstanding, I really would like to understand this one issue.

 

[Todd4State]

This is certainly apples and oranges. For all the bitching that we have done, and rightfully so, and much of it myself, Ron Polk is one of the top 10 college baseball coaches of all time. That's a fact. As many have said, he has taken us to the Final Four and Elite eight in baseball an average of once every five years during both of his tenures combined, including the dark days of Polk II. Polk has won multiple SEC and SEC Tournament Championships as well. When Polk was in his prime- the 80's- we really probably couldn't have done better unless Ron Fraser or Augie Garrido wanted to come to MSU for some reason.

Stansbury has done a very good job at MSU. Let's face it, there was a time not too long ago that he was the only coach on campus even TRYING. He has done a good job of recruiting overall. We are always competitive at the worst under Stansbury. I think a better comaprison would be to his predecessor Richard Williams. Williams did get us to the Final Four, but at the same time Stansbury has taken us to the Big Dance more frequently. Both have won championships, and Williams certainly took over a much more difficult situation, however when Richard was forced out, I think he had reached the point where he felt like he couldn't do any better and was kind of mailing it in. Luckily for us Richard knocked up that chick.

Now as far as could we get someone better than Stansbury, maybe, but I doubt it. I think our next basketball coach is going to have to be some up and comer from a conference like the Sun Belt or somewhere like that. There certainly is some risk in that. I can't see us bringing in a John Calipari type coach. I really think that we probably did about as well as we could have hoped for with Stansbury.

 

[mstateglfr]

I agree Stans will never get us to the Final Four, or even the Sweet Sixteen.
He can recuit like hell, but when it comes to game managment and coaching he could be significantly better.
The problem is if we get rid of him, we could hire a better game coach, but now way in hell we get a better recuiter in S-Vegas.</p>

is he really that great a recruiter? i think he is very solid overall thru his career, but come on...how many actual elite players has he really nabbed since being a HC?
Mario Austin, Tang(kind of?), Lawrence Roberts(the second time around for half the time), Rhodes(kind of), Gordon, Sharpe(in some odd sort of way), Jarvis(turning out to be). Bowers and Zimmerman could maybe be added in there?

what is that, like 9 who have panned out as debatable elite players? and thats with 1 being an odd college player(Tang), 1 only here for the second half of his career(Roberts), and 1 being a total headcase that caused WAY more trouble than he was ever worth(Sharpe).
to say there have been 9 elite players in Stans' HC career is a stretch in all honesty.

there have been plenty of pretty big names who havent panned out worth a damn. overrated recruits really arent any good...so saying he is 'recruiting like hell' with them wouldnt really apply.
and there have been plenty of pretty small names who have ended up contributing in significant ways for the team, but they were never elite players.
and counting players who never actually stepped on campus is about the most retarded argument someone can use to say he is a great recruiter.

where are all these phenoms that he is 'recruiting like hell' for? damn i just get tired of hearing these sort of comments all the time.</p>

 

[Paper Dog]

As recently as 14 months ago, Mississippi State baseball was in the Final Eight in the nation

MSU has been there once --- 1996 --- and Stansbury was not the head man