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Coach34

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the SEC is not a 5th rate conference- it's now a 6th rate conference

Sweet 16's- last 10 years:

Big East- 32
Big 12- 23
ACC- 21
Pac-10- 20
Big Ten- 19
SEC- 17

Final Fours- last 10 years:

ACC- 9
Big Ten- 8
Big East- 7
Big 12- 6
Pac-10 & SEC- 4

You guys can spew RPI all you want- good teams make the Sweet 16 and Final Four...sure there are upsets, but when done over a ten year period, you get a pretty good idea of conference strength...and the SEC just aint cutting it
 
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Coach34

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the SEC is not a 5th rate conference- it's now a 6th rate conference

Sweet 16's- last 10 years:

Big East- 32
Big 12- 23
ACC- 21
Pac-10- 20
Big Ten- 19
SEC- 17

Final Fours- last 10 years:

ACC- 9
Big Ten- 8
Big East- 7
Big 12- 6
Pac-10 & SEC- 4

You guys can spew RPI all you want- good teams make the Sweet 16 and Final Four...sure there are upsets, but when done over a ten year period, you get a pretty good idea of conference strength...and the SEC just aint cutting it
 
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Coach34

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the SEC is not a 5th rate conference- it's now a 6th rate conference

Sweet 16's- last 10 years:

Big East- 32
Big 12- 23
ACC- 21
Pac-10- 20
Big Ten- 19
SEC- 17

Final Fours- last 10 years:

ACC- 9
Big Ten- 8
Big East- 7
Big 12- 6
Pac-10 & SEC- 4

You guys can spew RPI all you want- good teams make the Sweet 16 and Final Four...sure there are upsets, but when done over a ten year period, you get a pretty good idea of conference strength...and the SEC just aint cutting it
 
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6 out of 8 seasons in the NCAA. I will take it every 8 years. NCAA success is nice but I judge the program by appearances.
 
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and the SEC is 6th in Sweet 16 appearances

Not to mention we are 1 of only 2 teams not make one from the SEC in the last 12 years

You can make the NCAA Tourney without beating a ranked team the entire season- that doesnt make you a good team. Beating a bunch of nobodys OOC and winning 8-9 games in a 6th rate conference doesnt make for a great season
 
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Coach34

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the numbers are from 2000-2009 McClure, 1999 has nothing to do with it- its a 10 year sample
 
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the entire conference would pick up immediately. Thanks for these numbers, I had no idea Stansbury was holding the entire conference down.
 
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Coach34 said:
the numbers are from 2000-2009 McClure, 1999 has nothing to do with it- its a 10 year sample
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If Stans was the coach in 1999, you need to include that year in your sample. Don't cherry-pick it to make it come out the way you want it to.
 
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We'd all love to have a more wins in the NCAA tournament, but realistically if we're getting there at all on a fairly consistent basis, we're doing pretty damn good.
 
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by how many BCS bowls the rest of the conference goes to?
 
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for their national titles because their seeding was inflated from beating up on a mediocre conference? The questions keep popping up. I want less questions, only firing Stansbury can stop the voices.
 
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He trolls a lot..
but his numbers are right from first look (im not looking them up to check right now)

The conference has a big divide between TN,FL, and UK and the rest including us in the post-season.
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and he is right.. when I post my results of the top teams by tourny app's and then any NOTABLE results.. we are sitting with Winthrop, creighton, penn, BYU, Utah St, and Arkansas with NONE during the past 11 seasons.

RPI breakdown..sometime in the future.
 
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<span style="font-style: italic;">SPIN THOSE STATS!!!!!!</span>

Here you go. I took your data and adjusted it to be comparable. Since these conferences have different amounts of team members, it's not fair to compare conference to conference. So, I adjusted to get an SEC base. Then, I divided that by 10 to get Sweet 16s per year. Since you can't have half a team make the Sweet 16, I rounded the figures to the nearest whole number. Finally, I ranked them. Here is what we get:

<table style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 371pt;" width="494" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <col style="width: 58pt;" width="77"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <col style="width: 64pt;" width="85"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <col style="width: 57pt;" width="76"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <tbody> <tr style="height: 25.5pt;"> <td class="xl23" style="height: 25.5pt; width: 48pt; text-align: center;" width="64" height="34"> </td> <td class="xl24" style="border-left: medium none; width: 58pt; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;" width="77"><span style=""> </span>Sweet 16s<span style=""> </span></td> <td class="xl24" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;" width="64"><span style=""> </span>Teams <span style="">
</span></td> <td class="xl24" style="border-left: medium none; width: 64pt; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;" width="85"><span style=""> </span>Converted*<span style=""> </span></td> <td class="xl24" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;" width="64"><span style=""> </span>Per Year<span style=""> </span></td> <td class="xl28" style="border-left: medium none; width: 57pt; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;" width="76"><span style=""> </span>Per Year (Rounded)<span style=""> </span></td> <td class="xl24" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;" width="64"><span style=""> </span>Rank<span style=""> </span></td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt; font-style: italic;" height="17">Big East</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 32.00</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 15.00</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 25.6</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2.6</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 3</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt; font-style: italic;" height="17">Big 12</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 23.00</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 12.00</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 23.0</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2.3</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt; font-style: italic;" height="17">ACC</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 21.00</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 12.00</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 21.0</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2.1</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt; font-style: italic;" height="17">Pac-10</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 20.00</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 10.00</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 24.0</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2.4</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt; font-style: italic;" height="17">Big 10</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 19.00</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 11.00</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 20.7</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2.1</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt; font-style: italic;" height="17">SEC</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 17.00</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 12.00</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 17.0</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 1.7</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; text-align: center;"><span style=""> </span> 2</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;"> <td class="xl22" colspan="4" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><span style=""> </span>*Sweet 16s / Teams x 12 (SEC Teams) <span style="">
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</td> </tr> </tbody> </col></col></col></col></col></col></col></table>Note- Big East team numbers are likely misleading since a few teams joined recently. This is irrelevant since they are ranked 1.
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I posted those numbers to the people trying to say the SEC is a top conference, the RPI is higher than that, and all the other BS defenses they try to throw out there

The SEC is judged on BCS appearances and championships...and that is why its considered the top football conference...nobody doubts the strength of the SEC in football

Basketball, however, is far below that level</p>
 
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I'm assuming you left this out on purpose, but in your 10 year time frame the SEC is in 3rd place in ncaa championship appearances, and tied for 2nd overall in ncaa championships.
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-decoration: underline;">Championship Appearances</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">1st (tie) ACC / Big Ten 5</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">2nd SEC 3</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">3rd (tie) Big Twelve / Big East / Pac Ten 2</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in; text-decoration: underline;">Championships</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">1st ACC 4</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">2nd (tie) SEC / Big East 2</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">3rd (tie) Big Twelve / Big Ten 1</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">4th Pac Ten 0</p> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"></p>
 
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And if you go back 15 years, the SEC is 2nd to only the ACC in Final 4 appearances (13 to 12). You also get to add four more title game appearances and 3 more national championships. So over the last 15 years, the SEC has arguably been THE BEST conference in terms of titles and Final Four appearances.
You can always pick a sample size, time frame, or statistic that enhances your agenda. And if anyone ever had an agenda to discredit all things Stans, it's Coach34
 
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Stansbury has been a head coach. So 1998/1999 season - present should be the sample size.
 
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I don't agree with a lot of what Coach says but I agree with him here. It's nice to have on a banner but really SEC basketball to me is the equivalent of Big East football. Mostly average (and sometimes not even that). If you don't make the NCAAs from the SEC, you're really not good. And if you do, you're still not necessarily that good.
 
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His argument is that the SEC is somehow the 6th best conference over the last 10 years. That is the 1999-2000 through 2008-2009 seasons. He is basing this on the number of Sweet 16's and Final Four's that the SEC has participated in. I used his same time frame and I say the SEC is the 2nd best conference out of those same 6 conferences because it has the 2nd most national championships. I know you were responding to Whatever, but this is why I used salesman34's 10 year time frame.
 
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National championships less so as you can have one great team playing in a **** league.
 
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Coach34

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rather than NC's...Hell, Conference USA has some FF's recently but that doesnt make them a strong conference because Memphis was so good...Just like Fla being so good the last 10 years doesnt make the SEC overly strong...

But total number of teams making Sweet 16's shows more of the depth of the conference...nobody gets to the Sweet 16 by accident
 
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We are talking about a whopping 1 Sweet 16 team per year between the best conference in your list and the worst. Pick something else to base your argument on.
 
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Of course not, I was trying to make the point that you can break out every single round of the tournament from 1st round to championship, from appearances in the rounds to winners of the rounds and put those numbers together over basically any time frame and make the numbers say whatever you want them too. This is what he did to come up with the SEC being the 6th best conference over the last 10 years. He figured out what he wanted to say, and then made the numbers show it.
 
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Dawg in a pile said:
Of course not, I was trying to make the point that you can break out every single round of the tournament from 1st round to championship, from appearances in the rounds to winners of the rounds and put those numbers together over basically any time frame and make the numbers say whatever you want them too. This is what he did to come up with the SEC being the 6th best conference over the last 10 years. He figured out what he wanted to say, and then made the numbers show it.
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saying the SEC is great because Florida had some great teams the last 10 years is stupid...take away Florida, and the SEC has been awful the last 10 years in postseason...Sweet 16 numbers show how the conferences have had good teams over the years and those teams were able to win some big games...

Seriously, show me something in those numbers that show the SEC being a power...because being 6th in Sweet 16's shows a tremendous weakness to most intelligent individuals
 
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Take UNC out of the ACC. Take UCLA out of the PAC 10. Take Kansas out of the Big 12. etc etc etc etc. You are ridiculous.
 
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thats the whole point of the thread...because even if you take out the top team from each conference- we're f*cking 6th...6th...6th

The SEC has no freaking depth
 
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imagine how idiot34 would be reacting with his stats if we had UM's track record during the past 10 years... Thank god, we have Stans... How would he feel if we were one of the average teams in this s*** conference that has not had the ncaa success that we have had???

By the way, is there any way to limit c34 to like 50 posts per week about his love affair with stansbury during the season??? Its really an unhealthy infatuation
 
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MemphisMaroonClubDog said:
imagine how idiot34 would be reacting with his stats if we had UM's track record during the past 10 years... Thank god, we have Stans... How would he feel if we were one of the average teams in this s*** conference that has not had the ncaa success that we have had???

By the way, is there any way to limit c34 to like 50 posts per week about his love affair with stansbury during the season??? Its really an unhealthy infatuation
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we are one of only 2 teams in the SEC that has failed to make a Sweet 16 in the last 12 years...what success in the NCAA's are you talking about? I must have slept thru it
 
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You would rather have one elite 8 and nothing else in the past 10 years??? are you serious? I know you get your kicks from everyone responding to your idiocy but I cannot even believe you suggest this...
 
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Again, if you go back 15 years we're 2nd in final 4 appearances, 1st in national titles (split amongst 3 different teams), and we've had 11 different teams make Sweet 16's (also more than anyone).
My point is that the quality of this conference is a very fluid situation, we're not the consistent 6-7th best conference like the Big East will always be in football. We are up and down, and capable of being one of the top 2 or 3 in any given year. We're haven't been as good as the Big East or ACC recently, but the difference in the top conference and the 5th best isn't as wide as you think (nor is it in football)
But even so, we can't control how good of a conference we're in. Just like Cincinnati and Boise can't control what football conferences they're in. We've won in the conference that we're a part of, and we've gotten to the tournament. The tournament takes the best teams regardless of conference affiliation.
 
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RPI is a better indicator because that measures the entire conference strength. Sweet 16 appearances only measure the strength of the top teams in the conference. You only use Sweet 16 appearances because it fits your argument better than RPI, a measurement by the way that anyone who covers or has anything to do with college basketball adheres to. Only in your world is it not good enough.
 
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I had not realized that ARK was that much more inept than us... and you have been all set to fellate John Pelphrey for 2 years...

Just for clarification... Just who would you swap with right now that has been to the S16 since 1996:

UK - sure, who wouldn't. Last Sweet 16 was in 2005.
FLA - sure, who wouldn't. Last Sweet 16 was in 2007.
Vandy - yeah. Last S16 was 2007.
UT - maybe, based only on potential but one could argue that they have laid much bigger eggs than us with all of their talent. Last S16 was 2008
ARK - no way, they are digging out of a hole they may not come out of. LAST SWEET 16 was in 1995.
ALA - no way, only blip was the 2004 tourney. digging out of an enormous hole and nothing since 04. Last S16 was in 2004.
LSU - maybe, they have a ton of talent around BR. Last S16 was in 2004.
AUB - nope... last S16 was in 2003 and have had nothing since then and not much before then since early 80s
UGA - nope, last S16 was in 1996 and have not had much steady success since then
USC - no way, last bid was in 04 when they were an upset 2 seed, no bids since then. last S16 was in 1973
UM - nope. other than their mild success in the early 90s, nothing of significance in the past 20 years. last S16 was in 01
MSU - steady success, steady bids, last S16 was in 1996

Can you imagine going to the other schools on the list and seeing how many of them would swap their one recent S16 bid for going to the tournament as much as we do? I know it doesn't fit into C34's argument...

Also, unless Wiki is wrong, C34 is wrong again on his stats when trying to sway the truth... USC (1973), ARK(1995), MSU(1996) and UGA(1996) have not been to the Sweet 16 in the past 12 years... Not the "we are one of only 2 teams in the SEC that has failed to make a Sweet 16 in the last 12 years...what success in the NCAA's are you talking about? I must have slept thru it"... Apparently, you did sleep through it.
 
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Coach34

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the whole point of this thread was to show the weakness of the SEC the last 10 years...

So you saying only 8 teams have making the Sweet 16 since 1996 somehow makes us look better? Really? Wow, you really are a dumbass...Thanks
 
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