Ok, so Friday begins SEC play, and you are the MSU Head Coach...

[CadaverDawg]

Assuming everyone is healthy, and assuming Detz cannot play 2B or 3B since Cohen has yet to try him there, give me your starting lineup and your pitching rotation for the LSU series.

Do you put CT back in the 2 hole? Do you DH Detz or Rae? What about Porter? Who is your second baseman? Who is your Saturday starter?

To me there are a lot of questions heading into next weekend.

So, first list your starting rotation....then your starting lineup including positions.

Go...

 

[missouridawg]

SS Frazier
CF Bradford
RF Renfroe
DH Detz
1B Rea
LF Henderson
C Slauter
3B Norris
2B Frost

Fri Lindgren
Sat Gravemen
Sun Cox

Keep Woodruff on Tuesdays until he figures it out. Once he does, put Woodruff on Sunday and move Cox to Tuesday.

If Mitchell ever finds his control (we've heard this before), he could be our ace. Until then, long relief when we've got big leads.

 

[AlSwearengen]

Lindgren, Graveman, and probably Cox start.

Of course the lineup depends on whether the opposing pitcher is left of right handed, but without consideration for that I would go

1. Frazier
2. Detz (dh)
3. Renfroe
4. Rae (1b)
5. Slaughter
6. Norris
7. CT (until he comes out of his slump)
8. Henderson
9. Pirtle/Frost possibly (Pirtle looks the part. He is athletic and just looks like a player, but he needs to pick up his hitting, which I think he will)

 

[dogeatdog]

Here would be my lineup, assuming everyone is healthy....I wish Cohen would

quit 17ing with the lineup. We've played 19 games. We know who our best guys are by now. Put your best 9 guys out there and go. As suggested yesterday, interchange Demarcus and CT based on the pitching (lefty or righty).

SS Frazier
LF Henderson
RF Renfro
1B Rea
DH Detz
3B Norris
CF Bradford
C Slauter
2b Frost

SP (Lindgren, Mitchell, Graveman)

 

[skb124]

Friday: Lindgren
Saturday: Cox
Sunday: Graveman

If Righty:
SS Frazier
LF Henderson
DH Detz
RF Renfroe
1B Rea
C Slaughter
CF Bradford (This is not a permanant move. Just until he starts putting better swings on the ball)
2B Pirtle
3B Frost

Against lefties:
SS Frazier
LF Henderson
RF Renfroe
DH Detz
1b Rea
C Slaughter
2B Pirtle
CF Bradford
3B Norris

 

[Will James]

Detz has played 2nd his entire career up to this point. Why would I assume he can't play there? Hey let's assume Rea cant play 1B!*

Frazier SS
Bradford CF / Henderson LF depending on lefty righty
Detz 2B
Renfroe RF
Rea 1B
Henderson LF / Bradford CF depending on lefty righty
Slauter C
Flair/Porter DH depends on lefty righty
Norris 3B

ETA rotation. Lindgren Mitchell Graveman

 

[CadaverDawg]

Detz has played 2nd his entire career up to this point. Why would I assume he can't play there? Hey let's assume Rea cant play 1B!*

You are unbearable. Because Cohen hasn't even considered it yet, and I doubt the first time he plays 2B at MSU will be the opening game of SEC against LSU. You are absolutely clueless about the game of baseball. Truly a joke.

Why am I not surprised that you couldn't just go by the OP, you have to create some kind of drama so that you can try to act like you know more. You couldn't coach a 17ing tee ball team.

ETA: Detz HAS NOT played his entire career up to this point at 2B....so you're wrong. Again. He has played his entire MSU career at 1B, not once at 2B. Not once. But YOU would start him there vs LSU for the first time....great call coach. Ha, clueless.

And don't hijack my thread with your ******** please, this could actually be a good thread if you would exit.

 

[Will James]

You are unbearable. Because Cohen hasn't even considered it yet, and I doubt the first time he plays 2B at MSU will be the opening game of SEC against LSU. You are absolutely clueless about the game of baseball. Truly a joke.

Why am I not surprised that you couldn't just go by the OP, you have to create some kind of drama so that you can try to act like you know more. You couldn't coach a 17ing tee ball team.

ETA: Detz HAS NOT played his entire career up to this point at 2B....so you're wrong. Again. He has played his entire MSU career at 1B, not once at 2B. Not once. But YOU would start him there vs LSU for the first time....great call coach. Ha, clueless.

And don't hijack my thread with your ******** please, this could actually be a good thread if you would exit.

"Up to this point" idiot and you asked for what we'd do, not what we think John will do.

 

[skb124]

"Up to this point" would include these 19 games "idiot". And your lineup would have been fine if you hadn't thrown in the smart-alec response to Detz and Rea. Just engage in convo without getting argumentative all the time man.

 

[Will James]

"Up to this point" would include these 19 games "idiot". And your lineup would have been fine if you hadn't thrown in the smart-alec response to Detz and Rea. Just engage in convo without getting argumentative all the time man.

Use context clues. Quit bitching.

 

[tdawg22]

Wow Will James. Way to 17 up another thread. Seriously man stop being a prick. Are you like this in face to face conversation as well? If so, I feel for the people around you.

 

[drt7891]

It's gotten beyond ridiculous...

Every baseball thread started turns into either a **** argument or lineup argument. Then, something he predicts happen and he's got to be Coach34's mini-me (hell, he used to have a 34 in his name) and throw in some arbitrary quotes and pound his chest for being right, while saying most of the board agrees with him.

 

[CadaverDawg]

"Up to this point" would include these 19 games "idiot". And your lineup would have been fine if you hadn't thrown in the smart-alec response to Detz and Rea. Just engage in convo without getting argumentative all the time man.

Thank you. I was wondering how the 19 games weren't included in "up to this point".

 

[CadaverDawg]

Wow Will James. Way to 17 up another thread. Seriously man stop being a prick. Are you like this in face to face conversation as well? If so, I feel for the people around you.

I doubt many people are around him. Especially of the female variety.

 

[lasher8]

I think he wants to be Coach34. Really.

Every baseball thread started turns into either a **** argument or lineup argument. Then, something he predicts happen and he's got to be Coach34's mini-me (hell, he used to have a 34 in his name) and throw in some arbitrary quotes and pound his chest for being right, while saying most of the board agrees with him.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Every baseball thread started turns into either a **** argument or lineup argument. Then, something he predicts happen and he's got to be Coach34's mini-me (hell, he used to have a 34 in his name) and throw in some arbitrary quotes and pound his chest for being right, while saying most of the board agrees with him.

+1

 

[CadaverDawg]

I would go with...

Lindgren
Graveman
Cox
And I would have Evan and Woody on standby for any quick hooks with the starters.

SS Frazier
CF Bradford
RF Renfroe
1B Rea
DH Detz
C Slauter
3B Norris
LF Henderson
2B Frost

I would really like to have Porter in the lineup, especially against a righty...but until Cohen shows he will possibly play Detz at second, we have to assume Detz will DH or play 1B.

 

[skb124]

You don't use context clues when the answer is written in plain English.

 

[Will James]

+1

Hey I played along with your thread. You decided to go off course.

 

[Steakonastick]

Detz is not going to play second. I think he will be our DH.

1 Frazier ss
2 ct cf
3 renfroe rf
4 detz DH
5 Rea 1b
6 slaughter c
7 Norris 3b
8 Henderson lf
9. Pirtle 2b

We got beat this weekend by what has won us games the past two years. No errors, working the counts, crowding the plate and getting hit, and spreading a few hits around.

The onmy changes in hitting i habe seen. Renfroe has improved his hitting, detz is a nice addiction but he will hit 300-350 in sec play, and no clue on Rea.

Porter still is a dead pull hitter.

Bradford needs to quit trying to hit for power.

Henderson is streaky

slaughter works the count and has a good ovp but he's not a great hitter

Norris- Cohen hates him for some reason. Frost has no business playing third. And we need what power Norris has in the lineup.

Frost- has looked better at the plate but his struggles come when sec pitchers over power him. But I have zero problem with him at 2nd.

Frazier- just had a bad weekend.

And I think Cohen gets way to cute trying to play matchups. put your best players out there and see what they can do.

 

[patdog]

Agree all the way mizzou. That should be our lineup.

 

[tdawg22]

Detz is not going to play second. I think he will be our DH.

1 Frazier ss
2 ct cf
3 renfroe rf
4 detz DH
5 Rea 1b
6 slaughter c
7 Norris 3b
8 Henderson lf
9. Pirtle 2b

We got beat this weekend by what has won us games the past two years. No errors, working the counts, crowding the plate and getting hit, and spreading a few hits around.

The onmy changes in hitting i habe seen. Renfroe has improved his hitting, detz is a nice addiction but he will hit 300-350 in sec play, and no clue on Rea.

Porter still is a dead pull hitter.

Bradford needs to quit trying to hit for power.

Henderson is streaky

slaughter works the count and has a good ovp but he's not a great hitter

Norris- Cohen hates him for some reason. Frost has no business playing third. And we need what power Norris has in the lineup.

Frost- has looked better at the plate but his struggles come when sec pitchers over power him. But I have zero problem with him at 2nd.

Frazier- just had a bad weekend.

And I think Cohen gets way to cute trying to play matchups. put your best players out there and see what they can do.

I agree with pretty much everything you just said.

 

[Will James]

Can you people give a reason why y'all have Detz behind Renfroe? Other than because I don't Cad skb lasher

 

[CadaverDawg]

Because in my opinion it will lead to a more efficient offense given what I have seen to this point.

 

[ronpolk]

Personally, I would have Detz behind Renfroe because I believe is the better hitter. In fewer games, Renfroe has more HR, a higher BA and is equal to Detz with RBI's and extra base hits. Also, Renfroe is slugging .800% compared to Detz .549%. If I'm a coach, I want my best hitter in the 3 spot. I believe Renfroe is our best hitter.

 

[skb124]

+1

 

[Will James]

Personally, I would have Detz behind Renfroe because I believe is the better hitter. In fewer games, Renfroe has more HR, a higher BA and is equal to Detz with RBI's and extra base hits. Also, Renfroe is slugging .800% compared to Detz .549%. If I'm a coach, I want my best hitter in the 3 spot. I believe Renfroe is our best hitter.

So why not have Detz on base when Renfroe does his damage?

 

[Will James]

Because in my opinion it will lead to a more efficient offense given what I have seen to this point.

more efficient HOW? Not platitudes. Real life explanations of HOW and WHY you think this way. Im doing you a favor Cad trying to teach you how to build an argument.

 

[CadaverDawg]

more efficient HOW? Not platitudes. Real life explanations of HOW and WHY you think this way. Im doing you a favor Cad trying to teach you how to build an argument.

Nothing can prove me wrong and nothing can prove me right. And I don't have to build ****, when I know as much about baseball as I do. The reason you have to constantly build arguments is bc you're usually wrong. Besides, I didn't say my way was the only way, it's just what I feel would be more efficient and score more runs.

Prove me wrong with your numbers oh wise one. Oh that's right, you can't prove me wrong. Douche. Just give up. Your act is played out, and everybody thinks you're a tool.

 

[Will James]

Nothing can prove me wrong and nothing can prove me right. And I don't have to build ****, when I know as much about baseball as I do. The reason you have to constantly build arguments is bc you're usually wrong. Besides, I didn't say my way was the only way, it's just what I feel would be more efficient and score more runs.

Logically, if you FEEL it will be more efficient then something is influencing that FEELING. I'm trying to understand your thinking Cad.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Wow Will James. Way to 17 up another thread. Seriously man stop being a prick. Are you like this in face to face conversation as well? If so, I feel for the people around you.

Will James is like the "football recruiting" of baseball season. He makes the board unreadable

 

[Lettucexxxx]

The best hitter on my team will bat first.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Logically, if you FEEL it will be more efficient then something is influencing that FEELING. I'm trying to understand your thinking Cad.

Logically, if you feel a major douche is baiting you, you will not take the bait.

It is my opinion...you don't need to know more. This thread was not to see who's lineup was right or wrong, because we all know that there's no way to prove either. It was created for discussion and opinion. You are capable of neither.

 

[Will James]

Will James is like the "football recruiting" of baseball season. He makes the board unreadable

Har Har Har. One thing about me Coach Goat etc our happiness isn't based on a message board consensus approval. You're pathetic.

 

[ronpolk]

I certainly don't think we'd go wrong with Detz at #3. I just think as the season goes on the number 3 hitter will have more at bats than the 4 spot, in particular more RBI at bats, and I want Renfroe getting those at bats.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Har Har Har. One thing about me Coach Goat etc our happiness isn't based on a message board consensus approval. You're pathetic.

Says the guy who bases everything on a message board? Right. You're an idiot.

ETA: by the way, I doubt that your big brother would appreciate being lumped in with the two mental jobs on the board that have zero credibility.

 

[Will James]

I certainly don't think we'd go wrong with Detz at #3. I just think as the season goes on the number 3 hitter will have more at bats than the 4 spot, in particular more RBI at bats, and I want Renfroe getting those at bats.

Every study shows the 4 hole gets more at bats with runners on than any other spot in the lineup. Unless the 3 hole is the last AB of the game then it won't be any less.

We play 37 more games. Statistically we have a 1/9 chance of 3 hole having the last AB of the game. So statistically that would be the 3 hole only having 4 more AB's than the 4 hole. I'll take Adam blank and Detz in front of Renfroe every game every time through the lineup rather than the opposite for 4 at bats.

This whole "more at bats" meme is always stated but never actually put in perspective.

 

[CadaverDawg]

I certainly don't think we'd go wrong with Detz at #3. I just think as the season goes on the number 3 hitter will have more at bats than the 4 spot, in particular more RBI at bats, and I want Renfroe getting those at bats.

I agree, and Renfroe also has more speed, which makes him a table setter for Detz and Rea as well after he drives in Frazier and CT. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion....More at bats, Tons of RBI chances, Great guy to have on the base paths for two other good RBI guys. Good post, Ron.

And I agree that I have no problem with Detz at 3 and Renfroe at 4. Both can be very successful. Renfroe ahead of Detz is just the way I would do it.

 

[Will James]

I agree, and Renfroe also has more speed, which makes him a table setter for Detz and Rea as well after he drives in Frazier and CT. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion....More at bats, Tons of RBI chances, Great guy to have on the base paths for two other good RBI guys. Good post, Ron.

And I agree that I have no problem with Detz at 3 and Renfroe at 4. Both can be very successful. Renfroe ahead of Detz is just the way I would do it.

Renfroe is not the wife setting the table (in Mutts terms). He is the breadwinner of our baseball family. You jump at every chance haha

 

[Steakonastick]

I do not like 3 left handed batters in a row at the top of our lineup. Most top sec teams are going to a tough left handed reliever. Also it's give a lh batter between Renfroe and Rea.

Very easy to beat us late innings. Throw a lefty vs Frazier, ct, and detz. Then bring in your version of ross Mitchell from the right side. And renfroe and Rea will struggle. So you have pretty much handcuffed our 5 best hitters.