Oklahoma's Lincoln Riley wins the Broyles Award
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We should have paid him 1.5mil. and we would have won at least 3 more games and maybe 4.
If he can scheme around a bad OLine who can't block well, WRs who drop balls, and a QB who isn't accurate and wins 4 more games at UK, then he'll go down as the greatest OC to ever live. Some things just can't be schemed around guys....
Counterpoint, UKani: you think maybe Riley can figure out how to gain one yard on 4th down?
Dear Bob,
Here is your Christmas gift this year (large black lump of coal falls to the floor)
Mark
Or maybe how to score a TD in two trips inside the Vandy two yard line?
I believe Riley took a walk on WR at ECU last year and made him one of the all time leading receivers in history. So yea I do think he could have won 3-4 more.
I think it's reasonable to say we could have beat Auburn and Vandy if he were the OC. Florida and UL would not have been out of the realm of possibility.
was at least a 3 game difference for sooners from last year...maybe 4 or 5 if Oklahoma wins a play off game and title...
he did it with a walk on QB who was new to the program...
I mean we may have never stood a chance...Oklahoma is Oklahoma...maybe we tried, maybe we didn't...but all indicators were that this guy was the real deal...worth writing a blank check for...
he did it with a walk on QB who was new to the program...
I mean we may have never stood a chance...Oklahoma is Oklahoma...maybe we tried, maybe we didn't...but all indicators were that this guy was the real deal...worth writing a blank check for...
Back to the same thing he mentioned...it depends on if Riley could have gotten the line to block better, the QB to be more accurate and the WR to stop dropping balls.
Isn't Toth one if the best sec lineman their is? Wasn't Swindle 3rd team preseason all sec? Maybe it has to do with coaching and not talent level??
All the guys we had playing sans 1 was highly ranked or was ranked lower with several offers from div 1 schools.
We had more talent across the board than WKU but they had a much better line.
I guess that means he's better than Art Briles considering Briles couldn't do it with a converted WR in that last game..... That dude looked like UK's WRs.
I guess he's also a better offensive mind that Petrino as well, he couldn't scheme around those shortcomings until a freak talent like Jackson came about....
So for the record people on this thread puts Lincoln Riley above Petrino and Art Biles, and don't take into consideration what he inherited when he got to Oklahoma..... Man we need to sign him up for head coach!!! Smh...
So for the record people on this thread puts Lincoln Riley above Petrino and Art Biles, and don't take into consideration what he inherited when he got to Oklahoma..... Man we need to sign him up for head coach!!! Smh...
Comparing Lincoln Riley to Shannon Dawson is like comparing Bill Belichik to Hal Mumme. Riley is and was a proven OC when hired and flat out made that Okie offense pretty darn scary. No comparison.
To say a Jackson is a freak talent is a bit much, not much talent of just thrashing UK's defense with middle school plays that UK just failed to play or fight back or make adjustments. That second half defense was one of the biggest debacles every witnessed in the SEC. That was embarrassing. That was no freak athlete, that was a total breakdown.
IMO
So we have a good center and one other lineman and that was supposed to be decent and that makes a talented line? The line is where good teams begin and end at. If you can't block it doesn't matter who you have at specialty positions, but we did not have an accurate QB or apparently receivers who could catch the ball consistently.
Baker Mayfield was a former Texas Tech walk on yet Riley had him in the Heisman conversation for most of the year
So we are arguing over an OC that didn't want to come here. Makes complete sense. Now let's argue over Nick Saban
Riley could have helped our quarterbacks. His schemes would have used their strengths: Towles ability to run and throw. He would have much more motion in his offense, and wouldn't have been predictable.
if, maybe, could, would....
fact is the guy was (IMO) offered the job here, turned us down knowing he could get a better one. And he did. And it is paying off for him. We went with our 2nd choice, it was a poor one shoulda went with whoever was 3rd or 4th instead.
I don't think anyone is crowning Rielly the next Saban...
I don't think anyone has said that he is better than Briles, Petrino, or even CMS...
What we are saying is that he was available...and one of the best young coordinators and offensive minds in game right now...
none of those other guys were available...Petrino and Briles weren't coming to UK to be coordinator...but Rielly might have...for the right price...
I don't think anyone has said that he is better than Briles, Petrino, or even CMS...
What we are saying is that he was available...and one of the best young coordinators and offensive minds in game right now...
none of those other guys were available...Petrino and Briles weren't coming to UK to be coordinator...but Rielly might have...for the right price...
Does anyone think Stoops would actually let Riley call the plays he wants? I imagine he would micromanage just like he does with Dawson and like he did with Brown.
personally I don't think it was $$$ that made him turn us down, but the desire to coach at a better program
Nothing quite like Kentucky fans arguing over the "what ifs" with so little real knowledge of the "what was". :scream:
I am not sure he was offered by Stoops, it was said that Stoops told him he had a couple of other guys to interview and he would be in touch. This is what I heard, Bob Stoops spoke to his old OC Stoops and his connection to Lincoln's head coach and Texas Tech. Mike told him he is the guy you need to get.
Not saying he would have come here but just think Mark slow played a bit and his brother came in. There were rumors that ECU was going to try to keep him as HC, just rumors. All of this is about timing and our timing was not that great.
Again I am all in on Mark Stoops, he is our hope and think next year and year after you will see it. I am a little dismayed he made the Dawson hire a guy that has not called plays on this level. Proved to be a mistake to date.
No offense to our center who was on some pre season teams, he was not close to All SEC or played that way. Think that was just some hype from year before, I mean none of the guys on OL played very well. It was due to youth and lack of talent period.
IMO
Not saying he would have come here but just think Mark slow played a bit and his brother came in. There were rumors that ECU was going to try to keep him as HC, just rumors. All of this is about timing and our timing was not that great.
Again I am all in on Mark Stoops, he is our hope and think next year and year after you will see it. I am a little dismayed he made the Dawson hire a guy that has not called plays on this level. Proved to be a mistake to date.
No offense to our center who was on some pre season teams, he was not close to All SEC or played that way. Think that was just some hype from year before, I mean none of the guys on OL played very well. It was due to youth and lack of talent period.
IMO
I don't think that Stoops ever wanted Riley.
I also don't think that Dawson can be judged until or unless he's ever allowed to do his job without interference.
In other words, Stoops wants to put his clamps on the OC because he doesn't want a wide open offense.
I also don't think that Dawson can be judged until or unless he's ever allowed to do his job without interference.
In other words, Stoops wants to put his clamps on the OC because he doesn't want a wide open offense.
Oh I think he did, and offered him a job, and was turned down. too much scuttlebutt around Riley with UK last December, including insider Matt Jones 'accidentally' sending a tweet that was supposed to be a direct message out that just said "Lincoln Riley" only to be followed up with quick apologies. The hire of Dawson lasted into January because he was 2nd choice.
Well good for Riley making the right choice because brother Mark would have severely inhibited his ability to do his job.
What planet do some of you guys live on?
One, it's really easy to spend someone else's money. Two, if we paid him 1.5 million and the offense was mediocre, which is likely considering the line we have to work with, you and the others would have had the pitchforks out once again asking WTF Barnhart was thinking paying this guy 1.5 million, he's hamstrung the program, he's an idiot, etc. etc. Three, not sure why any of you have any trouble believing the most obvious explanation - he had a chance to come to UK, he had a chance to go to OU, he picked the historic power. If a guy has an offer to be an assistant to John Calipari, and another offer to be an assistant to the guy at Texas Christian, would Texas Christian fans blame the head coach and the AD for losing the candidate to UK? Only if they are deranged......
Riley inherited the 4th best rushing offense (led by a legit NFL back in Samaje Perine) and the 14th best offense overall nationally when he arrived in Norman.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff2014
Doesn't excuse Dawson's season (by the same S&P+ metric, our offense went from 74th nationally in 2014 under Neal Brown to 108th nationally this year under Dawson ... that pig don't take lipstick), but it's not like Lincoln Riley oversaw some miraculous turnaround.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff2014
Doesn't excuse Dawson's season (by the same S&P+ metric, our offense went from 74th nationally in 2014 under Neal Brown to 108th nationally this year under Dawson ... that pig don't take lipstick), but it's not like Lincoln Riley oversaw some miraculous turnaround.
I read this all the time on here, but I'm just not sure how you guys are so sure, unless you feel validated by other message board posters saying the same thing. It may be true, I have no idea, I'm just confused on the certainty here.
And I can't get over the fact that Stoops has hired Brown and Dawson, why wouldn't he simply hire the guy that fits what he wants to do?
Stoops was asked to look at Brown for offensive coordinator , he agreed to and eventually hired Brown . Neal's offense here was a stark contrast to everywhere else he has been , now that alone is not a pattern . Dawson is another air raid coordinator but his offense looks eerily similar to what Brown did and neither even remotely looked like an air raid offense . Both were conservative which contradicts what their scheme is supposed to be . It's obvious really , Stoops has too much influence on the play calling . I don't know why he does it but there's more evidence pointing to him micro managing than not .
I agree that a young coach building a resume is much better advised to coach a few year at OU rather than UK. Now had UK made a big offer it might have been different. Remember, Watson basically doubled what he was making at WVA. But, per this source, Riley is making a bit less at OU ($500K) than Watson at UK ($550K) and if that is the case, OK wins every time.
Peace
But wait...Didn't Dawson say during fall camp that he had more talent at UK than he'd ever had at WVU? I guess he must also be a terrible judge of talent too. Moreover, the problems you mention above also touch upon three other qualities in which the current coaching staff (not just the OC, of course) appears deficient: 1)player development, 2) developing schemes to address weaknesses, and 3) in-game adjustments.
Where exactly did I say I wanted people fired? Oh right, nowhere!
Certainly if the team had finished 6-6 and gone bowling with a chance to have a winning record, that would have been at least a small step in the right direction, would've kept momentum going, and there wouldn't be this level of acrimony from the fans towards the current staff (much of which is justified, IMHO). The frustration is magnified by the fact that the schedule was set up perfectly this year for UK to make strides, and instead the team fell flat on its face. I personally think a lot of the blame falls upon the coaching staff, and so far, we really haven't heard *anything* from them to take responsibility and address matters, either during the season or afterwards. We're left with glib response like "we gotta be tougher" or "we gotta execute better". Complete hogwash. We're a miracle comeback against EKU from being 4-8 and the fourth best team in the state, for chrissakes, and that's shameful for the state's flagship university.
All that said, I'm not in the "Faaaaaarrrr Stoops" camp...yet. Things certainly seem to have stalled, though. Hopefully he and his staff can continue to recruit well and address their inherent deficiencies, either with changes in personnel, outlook, or both.