Ole Miss getting sued...

[HotMop]

By that person that cheered Charlie Kirk's death.

Ole Miss students react to admin’s wrongful termination lawsuit

A former Ole Miss employee is suing the university's chancellor over her alleged wrongful termination, which she believes violates her First Amendment right to free speech.

www.actionnews5.com

Free speech and all that jazz.

 

[Dawg Raid]

CK got killed expressing his 1A rights, being fired for saying something is not against your 1A.

 

[HotMop]

CK got killed expressing his 1A rights, being fired for saying something is not against your 1A.

Agreed

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

The first amendment does not prevent an employer from terminating an employee for the comments that an employee makes.

Those that play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Terms of employment frequently have conditions which include not stirring up a bunch of shat.
She rocked the boat.

 

[johnson86-1]

The first amendment does not prevent an employer from terminating an employee for the comments that an employee makes.

That's not always true. Government employees do have 1st amendment rights that protect them from adverse employment actions for certain speech.

Not sure condoning murder is ever going to be protected, but she is apparently so17ing annoying and awful that even her lawyer hates her so he/she include reasons for dismissal in the complaint. If she was receiving threats and her restaurant had to be shut down, that it is just the type of disruption and backlash that would justify the employers interests outweighting the employees free speech interests.

She should really try just not being a 17ing awful human being. Spend a little bit of time focusing on that and keeping her head down, and people would forget.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

generally speaking if one mentions his/her employer in a social media profile, that greatly limits views he/she can express because the person "ties" himself/herself to the employer.

 

[biodawg]

I don’t know that I’ll ever understand being glad someone was killed because their political views are different than mine. Quite a world we live in these days. Hell, my best friend is one of the biggest OM fans I know. We’ve been friends for about 36 of the 39 years we’ve been on this earth. I’m not sure that kind of thing would work these days, as polarized as people are. But I AM glad when people do share those types of opinions, as it lets me know what kind of person that they really are, and I can distance myself from them.

I feel like a lot of problems these days begin with folks spending too much time on the internet (as I sit here typing on SPS). If people would just get out and talk to people they don’t know, they would realize that the world isn’t quite as bad as it’s been made out to be on the tv or internet. Aight, I’m done being serious.

 

[GloryDawg]

You repost stuff you agree with and what she reposted was really horrible thing to say.

 

[Chesusdog]

Terms of employment frequently have conditions which include not stirring up a bunch of shat.
She rocked the boat.

Yep. Going back at least the last 15ish years companies I've worked for have had a social media policy stating that anything I post on social media that reflects poorly on the company could be grounds for termination. 0% chance UM doesn't have this.

 

[Dawg Raid]

People don’t understand anything about the constitution. It’s why the society is going down.

 

[POTUS]

Just remember that people will say more in private than online, so just imagine what she says privately if she is publicly condoning murder. May she continue to reap what she has sown.

 

[Duggar Hall Desk]

I support her right to say it, and I support her employer's right to say, "We don't condone that here."
People simply don't realize that if the government isn't trying to make certain speech illegal, it's not about the Constitution.

 

[L4Dawg]

So what was her actual quote? Forgive me but I don’t trust either side’s take on it. I also do t care enough to google it.

 

[Dawgbite]

I’ve had a friend for 40 years and we are both on the same page politically but he gets up every morning and turns on Fox News and before his first cup of coffee he’s pissed about something. I don’t watch national news period because it’s garbage. It’s gotten to the point that we can’t even play golf without him getting on a rant about something. While I usually agree with what he’s ranting about, I just really don’t care. I’m not going to let it affect a perfectly good day on the golf course. This country has become so polarized that something has got to give.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

its the internet... it learns what you want to see and gives it to you. You like Asians cooking outside with calming music, or cats playing, that's what you will get.

You want legal immigrants getting detained and beaten for no reason, you will see them. You want to see innocent men of color getting detained for their skin color, that's what you get.

You want to see illegal immigrants committing heinous acts of murder, rape and be awful people, that's what you will see. You want to see violence in the cities you get it.

It matters little that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than American citizens or that the majority of police officers are bending over backwards to diffuse the situation and do their jobs the best of their ability and get home safe or that the crime rate is lower than it has been since the 1950's.

Internet is not information, it's affirmation from like thinkers. It will drive you to dehumanize the other side. It starts with name calling, those perps or deplorables. We on this planet together dammit.

 

[Klovis]

So what was her actual quote? Forgive me but I don’t trust either side’s take on it. I also do t care enough to google it.

she was celebrating CK getting killed.

 

[8dog]

Does everyone in this thread understand that OM is a state actor?

 

[Bulldog45]

So what was her actual quote? Forgive me but I don’t trust either side’s take on it. I also do t care enough to google it.

Fox Memphis

 

[Villagedawg]

I don’t know that I’ll ever understand being glad someone was killed because their political views are different than mine.

Did your parents or grandparents never tell you about the cheers that broke out across Mississippi classrooms and other places when the news of John F. Kennedy's assassination broke?

 

[skip dog]

I very much so disagree with what she said, and I do genuinely believe that comments such as that, placed in the public space openly disclose a sickness in society, and those that make those remarks should found out just how unacceptable they are. I am self employed, and have to temper my words in conversations with customers b/c it is the right thing to do, and out of respect for another human being (I don't skirt the truth by any means, but I do try to hold my tongue a bit).....all that to say, I am glad she is bringing suit, as I think this will be a very interesting test in the courts of the first amendment, and an employer's rights to fire someone for their actions.

Simply, think before you speak

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
-Mark Twain

 

[Dawgg]

So what was her actual quote? Forgive me but I don’t trust either side’s take on it. I also do t care enough to google it.

"For decades, yt supremacist and reimagined Klan members like Kirk have wreaked havoc on our communities, condemning children and the populace at large to mass death for the sake of keeping their automatic guns. They have willingly advocated to condemn children and adult survivors of SA to forced pregnancy and childbirth. They have smiled while stating the reasons people who can birth children shouldn't be allowed life-saving medical care when miscarrying. They have incited and clapped for the brutalizing of Black and Brown bodies. So no, I have no prayers to offer Kirk or respectable statements against violence."

 

[Xenomorph]

Did your parents or grandparents never tell you about the cheers that broke out across Mississippi classrooms and other places when the news of John F. Kennedy's assassination broke?

Attitudes like yours is why political violence is becoming more common in this country.

 

[Darryl Steight]

"For decades, yt supremacist and reimagined Klan members like Kirk have wreaked havoc on our communities, condemning children and the populace at large to mass death for the sake of keeping their automatic guns. They have willingly advocated to condemn children and adult survivors of SA to forced pregnancy and childbirth. They have smiled while stating the reasons people who can birth children shouldn't be allowed life-saving medical care when miscarrying. They have incited and clapped for the brutalizing of Black and Brown bodies. So no, I have no prayers to offer Kirk or respectable statements against violence."

Good Lord. I weep for humanity if there are actually people walking around this earth who believe any single sentence of that statement, as it relates to CK.

That's all I am going to say about that.

 

[Darryl Steight]

Does everyone in this thread understand that OM is a state actor?

I've always heard Mississippi is an "at-will state", but I'm no lawyer. Does that concept still apply when the employer is a state body?

 

[dickiedawg]

Does everyone in this thread understand that OM is a state actor?

This is what makes it interesting. If she had been fired from Walmart or something, there’s probably no issue.

It also sounds like a good example of the Streisand effect. If Ole Miss ignores it, it probably goes away pretty quickly. But they made it a whole thing and magnified it exponentially.

There’s also no mention of any kind of apology. I wonder if they asked her to post a denouncement of it or if that would have made a difference.

My initial reaction is that Ole Miss may be on the wrong side of this thing- but this no doubt was cleared through university counsel and they know a heck of a lot more than I do, both about the facts of the case and the law in general.

I wonder if this reporter reached out to the University or the plaintiff/plaintiff’s attorney for comment. If they declined comment, she should have mentioned it. As it is it looks lazy.

 

[ckDOG]

she was celebrating CK getting killed.

That *****!

 

[CoastRat.sixpack]

The first amendment does not prevent an employer from terminating an employee for the comments that an employee makes.

Those that play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

It does if the employer is the government, which universities are. They will settle this case because they lose if they don't.

 

[Dawgbite]

That *****!

ISWYDT

 

[CochiseCowbell]

"For decades, yt supremacist "

YouTube has gotten out of hand.

 

[Dawgbite]

YouTube has gotten out of hand.

Next time you need to replace a fan motor on your air conditioner, you’ll rethink that opinion.

 

[CoastRat.sixpack]

Yep. Going back at least the last 15ish years companies I've worked for have had a social media policy stating that anything I post on social media that reflects poorly on the company could be grounds for termination. 0% chance UM doesn't have this.

But those are private employers. I am always amazed how stupid ignorant our fanbase is when it comes to basic civics.

 

[8dog]

I've always heard Mississippi is an "at-will state", but I'm no lawyer. Does that concept still apply when the employer is a state body?

1A trumps At Will employment. If a state actor fires you for speech, there is an argument they are violating 1A. It’s grey. But it’s not nearly the same as “1A doesn’t protect your private employer From firing you”.

 

[8dog]

This is what makes it interesting. If she had been fired from Walmart or something, there’s probably no issue.

It also sounds like a good example of the Streisand effect. If Ole Miss ignores it, it probably goes away pretty quickly. But they made it a whole thing and magnified it exponentially.

There’s also no mention of any kind of apology. I wonder if they asked her to post a denouncement of it or if that would have made a difference.

My initial reaction is that Ole Miss may be on the wrong side of this thing- but this no doubt was cleared through university counsel and they know a heck of a lot more than I do, both about the facts of the case and the law in general.

I wonder if this reporter reached out to the University or the plaintiff/plaintiff’s attorney for comment. If they declined comment, she should have mentioned it. As it is it looks lazy.

yeah, I would think the university fully understood the 1A exceptions before acting.

 

[Klovis]

yeah, I would think the university fully understood the 1A exceptions before acting.

I mean.... it is a "law school" after all.

 

[Xenomorph]

I keep wondering why the Executive Assistant (ie Secretary) to the Vice Chancellor warrants a $150K salary when it still affords that person the flexibility to run a personal business that is open from 4pm to 9pm every day.

Political leanings aside.. that's crazy talk.

 

[Bulldog45]

Probably not a good look to have the admin assistant to your Vice Chancellor of Development posting those types of comments, considering what that office does.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

By that person that cheered Charlie Kirk's death.

Ole Miss students react to admin’s wrongful termination lawsuit

A former Ole Miss employee is suing the university's chancellor over her alleged wrongful termination, which she believes violates her First Amendment right to free speech.

www.actionnews5.com

Free speech and all that jazz.

Aren’t we an employment at will state? Is that any different for public entities?

 

[johnson86-1]

It does if the employer is the government, which universities are. They will settle this case because they lose if they don't.

They are very unlikely to lose this case. You can't go around calling your coworkers racial slurs and say the university can't fire you because you have free speech rights. You can't go around stating that you're not against violence for somewhere between 20% and 40% of the country because of their political beliefs.

On top of that, she's just self evidently stupid. Basically every sentence was an obvious misstatement of fact. She'd have an argument that "reimagined Klan members" is an opinion and not a statement of fact, but it's still a ridiculous statement for anybody that touches grass every once in a while. Even without the backlash, I think it'd have been perfectly defensible for the chancellor to say they try to not to employ morons, even in low level office positions.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I don’t know that I’ll ever understand being glad someone was killed because their political views are different than mine. Quite a world we live in these days. Hell, my best friend is one of the biggest OM fans I know. We’ve been friends for about 36 of the 39 years we’ve been on this earth. I’m not sure that kind of thing would work these days, as polarized as people are. But I AM glad when people do share those types of opinions, as it lets me know what kind of person that they really are, and I can distance myself from them.

I feel like a lot of problems these days begin with folks spending too much time on the internet (as I sit here typing on SPS). If people would just get out and talk to people they don’t know, they would realize that the world isn’t quite as bad as it’s been made out to be on the tv or internet. Aight, I’m done being serious.

I saw a recent poll that indicated that the current generation has a much higher percentage of people who believe that violence is an acceptable means to achieve political ends than prior generations. It didn’t not vary depending on what end of the political spectrum they were.