Ole Miss/Houston Nutt/Hogville/recruiting question......

[Dollabillz]

I work with a guy who is a moderator on Hogville and is well connected to the UA athletic department. Of course, he hates Houston Nutt. He has long claimed that he can't do this/that/etc., but one thing we have talked about is how Nutt can't recruit, but he can sure fluff the rankings with non-qualifiers and such to make the rankings look good. I chalked this up to another Hog fan being homerific about Nutt, but this seems to be coming true.

None of his big name recruits are doing ****. Enrique Davis? The four from '09 class that are no longer playing, with Patterson capping the list? All these supposed hot shot Florida recruits? (We all know that Ole friggin' Miss is not beating UF, FSU and Miami for recruits). So something's going on here. I noticed on Scout that their 2 star commitments just magically gained another star overnight.

Just curious. Only reason I bring it up is because I've heard for two years how their recruiting is so bad ***, how it's better than ours, they are nationwide, SI's writing articles, etc. However it seems to be a load of BS. My opinion, of course.

 

[Dollabillz]

I work with a guy who is a moderator on Hogville and is well connected to the UA athletic department. Of course, he hates Houston Nutt. He has long claimed that he can't do this/that/etc., but one thing we have talked about is how Nutt can't recruit, but he can sure fluff the rankings with non-qualifiers and such to make the rankings look good. I chalked this up to another Hog fan being homerific about Nutt, but this seems to be coming true.

None of his big name recruits are doing ****. Enrique Davis? The four from '09 class that are no longer playing, with Patterson capping the list? All these supposed hot shot Florida recruits? (We all know that Ole friggin' Miss is not beating UF, FSU and Miami for recruits). So something's going on here. I noticed on Scout that their 2 star commitments just magically gained another star overnight.

Just curious. Only reason I bring it up is because I've heard for two years how their recruiting is so bad ***, how it's better than ours, they are nationwide, SI's writing articles, etc. However it seems to be a load of BS. My opinion, of course.

 

[Dollabillz]

I work with a guy who is a moderator on Hogville and is well connected to the UA athletic department. Of course, he hates Houston Nutt. He has long claimed that he can't do this/that/etc., but one thing we have talked about is how Nutt can't recruit, but he can sure fluff the rankings with non-qualifiers and such to make the rankings look good. I chalked this up to another Hog fan being homerific about Nutt, but this seems to be coming true.

None of his big name recruits are doing ****. Enrique Davis? The four from '09 class that are no longer playing, with Patterson capping the list? All these supposed hot shot Florida recruits? (We all know that Ole friggin' Miss is not beating UF, FSU and Miami for recruits). So something's going on here. I noticed on Scout that their 2 star commitments just magically gained another star overnight.

Just curious. Only reason I bring it up is because I've heard for two years how their recruiting is so bad ***, how it's better than ours, they are nationwide, SI's writing articles, etc. However it seems to be a load of BS. My opinion, of course.

 

[Dollabillz]

I work with a guy who is a moderator on Hogville and is well connected to the UA athletic department. Of course, he hates Houston Nutt. He has long claimed that he can't do this/that/etc., but one thing we have talked about is how Nutt can't recruit, but he can sure fluff the rankings with non-qualifiers and such to make the rankings look good. I chalked this up to another Hog fan being homerific about Nutt, but this seems to be coming true.

None of his big name recruits are doing ****. Enrique Davis? The four from '09 class that are no longer playing, with Patterson capping the list? All these supposed hot shot Florida recruits? (We all know that Ole friggin' Miss is not beating UF, FSU and Miami for recruits). So something's going on here. I noticed on Scout that their 2 star commitments just magically gained another star overnight.

Just curious. Only reason I bring it up is because I've heard for two years how their recruiting is so bad ***, how it's better than ours, they are nationwide, SI's writing articles, etc. However it seems to be a load of BS. My opinion, of course.

 

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[RobbieRandolph]

I didn't know these people existed until Nutt went to Ole Miss. Those fans are the absolute worst in the entire world along with sidewalk Bama fans.

 

[studentdawg87]

, and I never thought I would cheer for Ole Miss to beat anyone. However, the lunatic Arkansas fans have changed my opinion.

They make me feel somewhat bad for Nutt.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I work with a guy who is a moderator on Hogville and is well connected to the UA athletic department. Of course, he hates Houston Nutt. He has long claimed that he can't do this/that/etc., but one thing we have talked about is how Nutt can't recruit, but he can sure fluff the rankings with non-qualifiers and such to make the rankings look good. I chalked this up to another Hog fan being homerific about Nutt, but this seems to be coming true.

None of his big name recruits are doing ****. Enrique Davis? The four from '09 class that are no longer playing, with Patterson capping the list? All these supposed hot shot Florida recruits? (We all know that Ole friggin' Miss is not beating UF, FSU and Miami for recruits). So something's going on here. I noticed on Scout that their 2 star commitments just magically gained another star overnight.

Just curious. Only reason I bring it up is because I've heard for two years how their recruiting is so bad ***, how it's better than ours, they are nationwide, SI's writing articles, etc. However it seems to be a load of BS. My opinion, of course.

For the record, on Scout, if you have a BCS offer, but you haven't been evaluated yet, you're automatically given 2 stars until you are evaluated. That's what happened with our 2 stars being bumped to 3 stars on scout, no conspiracy. My question is why does it matter that much? They're the same player now as they were before Scout rated them. Obviously, it means something to a lot of people, but the end result is the same whether they are given 2 stars or 4. Joel Kight is a good football player whether the sites even though the sites only gave him 2 stars. Pat Patterson couldn't run a proper pass route even though a site gave him 5 stars.

And I get that from reading the recruiting boards. Yes I follow recruiting. 17 you all.

And the Hogvillians are nutso. Your buddy probably hates me because I enjoy paying them a visit and arguing with them. I promise you they hate me more than this board. If Nutt is crazy, and I think he's just a touch, a good bit of the reason why is those 17ers. It's not the whole fanbase, but they have a segment of their fanbase that is batshit crazy. We all have them, but theirs are worse than most.

 

[jackstefano]

1. He can't win a bowl game.
2. He doesn't pass the ball.
3. He can't recruit, at all.
4. Moreover, he can' recruit a highly rated QB.
5. Because of 4, he can't recruit highly rated receivers.

All of these things have come to pass under Nutt during his OM tenure. Damn you Hogville!!!

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

It's just really damn weird. Look, we ran off Cut, and we don't go stalk Duke fans. And the **** they say, well, it's just weird. I can hang out on a State board where most fans hate our team, but it's not 1/50th as bad as the irrational hatred Hogvillians have. And if someone is a moderator on Hogville, they're just batshit crazy. People from Hogville would steal Nutt's bunny and boil it in a pot on the stove.

 

[LewisNixon]

hatred, however obtuse and moronic it may be" and get it over with?

Most Arkansas fans and especially those connected to Hogville need shock treatment.

 

[biguglyjoe]

******

 

[patdog]

I never gave Arkansas a second thought until you hired Nutt and their fans started showing up on NAFOOM. Good Lord. Those people are the most batshit crazy deluded mother-17-ers I've ever seen.

 

[Dollabillz]

no matter how much you'd like it to be. It was a serious question on my part, and obviously a very stupid one, seeing the sentiment here towards the delusional razorback fanbase.

 

[Dollabillz]

For the record, on Scout, if you have a BCS offer, but you haven't been evaluated yet, you're automatically given 2 stars until you are evaluated.

This is a load of horse ****.

I agree with everything else though.

 

[GroveHard]

Because our fan base is almost entirely comprised of lawyers, we were able to raise enough money to pay Scout to bump each of our 2 star recruits' rankings to 3 stars, but only 3 stars because obviously we didn't want to arouse suspicion. Should we need a couple of 4 star rankings, who knows maybe a 5 star, we have additional funds now at our disposal as a result of our being relieved of Mr. Patterson's car note. You should also factor in the money we save on pillows and alarm clocks. And Powe can't read. Xenareb.

 

[Dollabillz]

because truth be known, your '09 class falls WAY down without those 4 guys I mentioned. Who are you missing from last year's class? Delvin Jones? Giles? 2 big hits.

So, I mean, really Nutt isn't recruiting that well. I'm just calling it like I see it.

 

[GroveHard]

Your %!+!!%@ rambling is hard to follow. And no, we're not missing D. Jones or Giles as of yet. If they don't report in August, then you might have an argument, but it's July, and neither have been completely ruled out. In fact, Jones is rumored to be on pace. Even if neither shows up in August, we can afford to lose two true freshmen DEs with our front 7. So, no, not "2 big hits" at all.

 

[LewisNixon]

Just seemed odd that you and your Arky pal are sitting around over diet Sprites discussing the recruiting prowess of a coach that doesn't work at either of your schools. You stated he hates HDN, so I assumed you shared that vision. If that is not the case, I stand corrected. AfroDawg is still an *******, no matter how this whole thread works out.

 

[Interpol]

He brainwashed the Scout.com network into ranking the players how he wanted.

Give me a +%+%%@+ break. He couldn't conspire to fix breakfast, much less manipulate an entire network of cock suckers who put their goddamn names on the evaluations.

If you're pissed about how Scout has our players ranked, Rivals will make you **** your pants.

 

[someonestolemyusernamedamnit]

Casualties or not, Nutt appears to be more successful in consistently signing good recruiting classes than any other coach did in my 13 years of fandom.
It has become quite obvious it's easier to recruit at Ole Miss than Arkansas for a variety of reasons - namely geography and demographics.

Those two statements are true no matter how much you'd like them not to be.

 

[wbc40]

You've racked up close to 100 posts in record time. Seems like a classic Goat move.

 

[rebelrouseri]

"We all know that Ole friggin' Miss is not beating UF, FSU and Miami for recruits"

Only two of those guys have an FSU offer and none have a Miami or UF offer.

"I noticed on Scout that their 2 star commitments just magically gained another star overnight."

If scout's own offer lists are legit, then there is no way these guys are only two star recruits. Further, how else could they gain another star but overnight. Should they have gone to 2.1...2.4....2.6...and then 3 stars?

 

[Dollabillz]

is whether it's easier to recruit at Arkansas or Ole Miss. If I was a recruit, I'd pick Oxford, unless I guess I was from Arkansas or something.

And Nutt is not recruiting as well as Orgeron.

 

[jcdawgman18]

4. Moreover, he can' recruit a highly rated QB.

Who is the "highly rated QB" you refer to? Raymond Cotton?

 

[markymark.sixpack]

but after an all day ***** fest by the people on the lake, steve posted this morning that gene talked to "the powers that be" and now some MSU commits are getting their stars changed.

that doesn't seem like such a rock solid rating "system" to me.

 

[coach66]

**

 

[Dollabillz]

We all know these guys are playing to their subscribers. Duh.

But just don't crow about awesome recruiting classes when we don't really even know how good these guys are. I think it's been proven in this thread they can be deceptive. Of course both schools' fans are going to claim their guys are better etc. etc. etc.

 

[RebelBruiser]

This is outside of the ones that just have the plain irrational hatred for the man, which is a lot of them.

1) Arkansas fans see themselves as far superior to the "Mississippi schools". They think they should be in the discussions with LSU, Florida, Georgia, etc. rather than in the group with South Carolina, MSU, and Ole Miss. Nutt just spent 10 years at Arkansas. Now he's at one of those dreaded inferior schools. What happens if Nutt spends 6-8 years at Ole Miss and accomplishes just as much or gasp, possibly more than he did at Arkansas in his 10 years? If he's able to have more success or even close to equal success at Ole Miss in comparison to what he did at Arkansas, then it would suggest that Arkansas as a program is no better than Ole Miss. That would be a tough pill to swallow for their fanbase that thinks of us as one of the doormats of the league.

2) They need to feel justified for firing him. They're a lot like our fanbase after we fired Cutcliffe. They've taken a lot of flak in the media for running Nutt off, and it makes them even more bitter about the man. To get their "I told you so" moment, they have to not only have Petrino have more success than Nutt did at Arkansas, which given Arkansas's standing in the SEC won't be an easy task by itself. But aside from just that, with Nutt in their division, they have to have Petrino's teams finish ahead of Nutt's more often than not. If you look at our situation, because Orgeron was such a failure, we still haven't really had an "I told you so" moment with respect to Cutcliffe's firing, and we probably never will. Petrino has to win an SEC title for them to have that moment, and Nutt has to fail. It needs to be both.

It's really an odd set of circumstances. Normally you hate a coach that spurns you for a better job (see us with Tuberville) more than you would hate a coach that you fired. If you broke up with the girl because you wanted to move on, why spend all your time running around telling everyone she's a slut? It makes it look like you think you made a mistake, whether that's the case or not.

 

[RebelBruiser]

We all know these guys are playing to their subscribers. Duh.

But just don't crow about awesome recruiting classes when we don't really even know how good these guys are. I think it's been proven in this thread they can be deceptive. Of course both schools' fans are going to claim their guys are better etc. etc. etc.

So, when you talk about classes and ratings, why do you care if someone is manipulating them or not if you don't know how good these guys are?

By my count, we had 8 players from our 2009 class that didn't redshirt last year. They may not have been the 8 best of the class. Some guys were able to redshirt because their positions were in better shape depth wise. Still, you have to think they were some of the better signees in the class if they could play as true freshmen. Anyway, 2 of those 8 were Joel Kight and Jesse Grandy, players that Scout had ranked in our bottom 4 recruits of the 2009 class.

 

[RebelBruiser]

And Nutt is not recruiting as well as Orgeron.

Just curious what your measure is for this. Just a hunch or opinion? Or are you using a rating system to form that opinion?

 

[Dollabillz]

and were all up in the NFL draft. It was easy to see the talent Ole Miss put on the field in '07-'09. They might not have won alot in '07 but you could see that the players were there.

I'll be curious to see if Nutt's boys can match that. I personally don't think they will. But Nutt probably will put together his type of team though, that will win - just not at that end of '08 type of clip.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I'm not contending Orgeron didn't put talent on the field. I'm just wondering why you already discount Nutt's signees when you haven't seen a whole lot of them yet.

You can say you don't think he's recruiting as well as Orgeron, but the talent Orgeron put on the field was not something that couldn't be surpassed at Ole Miss. Point is you'd have to wait a few years before being able to say Nutt hasn't recruited as well as Orgeron did.

ETA: Kendrick Lewis started for us at free safety in 2007. He couldn't tackle a soul in the open field in 2007. He was one of the worst tackling free safeties I've ever seen. Now there is a good chance he could end up starting for the Chiefs in 2010, and he'll definitely be in the 2 deep. Mike Wallace didn't show much in his first 2 years at Ole Miss at all. Shay Hodge did well early, but I don't think anyone would've guessed he'd be the SEC's leading receiver by his senior year after watching him his first two years. Daverin Geralds was spending his first year moved over to OL in his second year. I say all that to show that if you watched us in Orgeron's first 2-3 years, you'd have seen flashes of talent in places, but a lot of the players that turned out to be so good were not doing much in their first two years and had a long way to go. You can't really judge the players Nutt has brought in until they've had a chance to develop either. What do we know about Ja-Mes Logan or Charles Sawyer right now? How do we know they won't develop into Shay Hodge and Kendrick Lewis caliber players?

 

[patdog]

For all his faults as a coach, the man recruited the best collection of talent they've had since integration.

 

[jacksonreb1]

atually i think they are relevant......you should be asking how is that devil yancy porter influencing rivals? i mean after all the rankings of all our current committs are higher on rivals than scout. most ole miss folks are whining that scout is underrating our kids. LOL. i doubt yancy has more juice with scout than the other "scouts"..except maybe rosebowl...his credibility is pretty much zilch all over. LOL

 

[Dollabillz]

You won't even have another QB like Jevan Snead for at least another decade. Dude, come on. You can't possibly believe the things you post.

 

[OMlawdog]

Look Jevan has some solid attributes, but as the draft showed, he is a long ways away from being an NFL QB.

You think its impossible for Ole Miss to sign a QB that is capable of being good? Just not possible?

The whole recruiting debate is great because no one is right and no one is wrong.People that think Nutt can't recruit will say that this season will prove that if we go 6-6 or worse, people that support Nutt will say that Nutt is a victim of O's poor recruiting class his last year, guess what no one can be proven right or wrong. Thats what makes recruiting smack so fun.

 

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[patdog]

I doubt Nutt will ever recruit as many top draft picks as Orgeron did (unless he stays at UM for close to a decade), but his recruiting doesn't suck. And as much hell as you guys give Snead, you're going to miss him a lot this fall.

 

[Agentdog]

They care (dislike) Nutt so much because of the handling of Mustain and Malzhan from recruitment to their exit. As well as a number of other things, which the Mustain, Malzhan, and Williams leaving was the final straw. Nutt was not going to be told who and how to recruit by fans and the fans had grown tired of the man because he did not throw on every down with 3 NFL Rbs in the backfield and had not won an SEC Championship.

To the rest of the world, the firing/involuntary resignation was baseless, irrattional, and flat out dumb and they had to defend it. They invaded OM's message boards and continued to stalk the man (which to be fair has died off this summer) because of exactly what Bruiser said. They wanted to be justified in what they did. Nutt going to what they consider is a lesser school and doing well doesn't sit well. I like the analogy of the abusive, jealous ex-boyfriend getting pissed off when the girlfriend finds another boyfriend, who happens to be a rival, and is happy. The ex just can not stand it. That is dead on what is going on with them. That and like it has been mentioned. They are just flat out delusional. I would say Hogville is a pretty good sample of the majority of their fan base. No kidding.