Oliver Luck as the next PAC 12 commish?

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Partnership with
a "dead PAC12", is only good for pac12.

Oliver Luck doesn't care about WV, he only cares about himself.
Buyer beware.

Moving further west
only "thins out" the b12.

Pac12 is dying and it makes zero sence for the B12 to attempt to SAVE THE pac12.

Good luck in your theory
to move 2000 miles west.
 

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Oliver Luck has done much for WVU athletics - came back to lead them through a tough period when he didnt need to.

To pretend he has no care for WVU is absurd. Best AD in the modern era.

To pretend the PAC is " dead" is nonsensical. Over the past decade the PAC has rated on tv as well as the acc until thiss covid season, and has been ranked well ahead of the acc and sometimes Big Ten in conference strength. Even near the bottom of P5s, they are well ahead of every non P5 conference in multiple sports.

Adding major blue bloods would enhance WVUs conference greatly.

Who knows if it will happen, because every conference is trying to remain together, but if the BIG 12 pulls it off it will be a great thing for WVU to be a part of.
 

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Oliver Luck has done much for WVU athletics - came back to lead them through a tough period when he didnt need to.

To pretend he has no care for WVU is absurd. Best AD in the modern era.

To pretend the PAC is " dead" is nonsensical. Over the past decade the PAC has rated on tv as well as the acc until thiss covid season, and has been ranked well ahead of the acc and sometimes Big Ten in conference strength. Even near the bottom of P5s, they are well ahead of every non P5 conference in multiple sports.

Adding major blue bloods would enhance WVUs conference greatly.

Who knows if it will happen, because every conference is trying to remain together, but if the BIG 12 pulls it off it will be a great thing for WVU to be a part of.

I may or may not rejoin this
B12/Pac12
(Thelma & Louise pac12, cliff dive)
discussion further here,
but I have a "afternoon delight"
date Tuesday, today --
so you'll have to wait....

- as these WV YoYo's, want to drive the b12 over a pac12 "Thelma & Louise" cliff.


But you and I know there plain stupidity in attempting to join the pac12,
for West Virginia perspective.

Good day .

Small Time folks,
sometimes do not see clearly.

Ps...pac12 wouldn't have Fired their commissioner, if pac12 was healthy.

Pac12 is limping,
Pac12 is damaged goods.
 
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Oliver Luck has done much for WVU athletics - came back to lead them through a tough period when he didnt need to.

To pretend he has no care for WVU is absurd. Best AD in the modern era.

To pretend the PAC is " dead" is nonsensical. Over the past decade the PAC has rated on tv as well as the acc until thiss covid season, and has been ranked well ahead of the acc and sometimes Big Ten in conference strength. Even near the bottom of P5s, they are well ahead of every non P5 conference in multiple sports.

Adding major blue bloods would enhance WVUs conference greatly.

Who knows if it will happen, because every conference is trying to remain together, but if the BIG 12 pulls it off it will be a great thing for WVU to be a part of.

The difference between Ollie and Eddie Pasthisprime was just this. Fast Eddie had Uncle Joe telling him what to do and how to do it. Ollie told Uncle Joe to take a hike.
 

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Eddie was excellent, with a caveat-
Eddie P's big east budget
required restraint.

AD Eddie P must be judged on the budget that WVU inherited.





Ps....
Also, Eddie P was golfing with Bill Stewart when Bill Stewart passed.
Has almost nothing to do realistically with this debate
but human interest none the less.
 
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It is about positioning WVU in a better position to have success

Bring in an Arizona/California school and allow Addae to recruit PHX, Vegas and Southern California.

He brought in Tony Fields and Scottie Young.

You want another Tony Fields.
 

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Eddie was excellent, with a caveat-
Eddie P's big east budget
required restraint.

AD Eddie P must be judged on the budget that WVU inherited.





Ps....
Also, Eddie P was golfing with Bill Stewart when Bill Stewart passed.
Has almost nothing to do realistically with this debate
but human interest none the less.
The fact remains that while Eddie ATTEMPTED to get us in the SEC, Ollie DID get us in the Big XII. Now we can debate all day and all night and into forever about what role Munchkin, Don Nehlen, and others had, but no one can deny Ollie's role.
 

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The fact remains that while Eddie ATTEMPTED to get us in the SEC, Ollie DID get us in the Big XII. Now we can debate all day and all night and into forever about what role Munchkin, Don Nehlen, and others had, but no one can deny Ollie's role.

Olie fired Bill Stewart (without Cause)
and hired Pretty Boy,
the drunk.

Some Family atmosphere.
Olie - not impressed with his WV tenure.

Then Ollie departed in
fake make up job, with the NCAA.

Ps....I've talked to Ollie face to face a few times, even caught passes from him at Old Mountaineer Field
on a summers day.
Snake Oil Salesman, short timer.
 
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The fact remains that while Eddie ATTEMPTED to get us in the SEC, Ollie DID get us in the Big XII. Now we can debate all day and all night and into forever about what role Munchkin, Don Nehlen, and others had, but no one can deny Ollie's role.

Back then WVU's football budget was around measly
$8 million, per year.
 

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The fact remains that while Eddie ATTEMPTED to get us in the SEC, Ollie DID get us in the Big XII. Now we can debate all day and all night and into forever about what role Munchkin, Don Nehlen, and others had, but no one can deny Ollie's role.

Nehlen's role in WVU move to Big 12 was simple.

The Athletic sportswriter Max Olsen wrote a solid look back on West Virginia’s departure from the crumbling Big East to join the Big 12 and save its seat among the college football power conferences.

Athletic Director Oliver Luck and then President Jim Clements pushing the move, even going so far as to include the seldom-mentioned but nonetheless crucial role that former West Virginia coach Don Nehlen played in the process.

In fact, among all of Nehlen’s contributions to WVU that got hm into the College Football Hall of Fame which included a pair of undefeated seasons and rebuilding the program so that it could remain a collegiate power, this might have been the most crucial.

Luck and Clements had an especially valuable ally in their fight to land in the Big 12: Don Nehlen. Clements asked the Mountaineers’ Hall of Fame football coach to reach out to Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas and help make their case. They’d been great friends for decades, dating back to when Neinas was executive director of the College Football Association and Nehlen was chairman of the CFA’s coaches committee and the two worked closely together on a variety of national issues. Big time key and critical piece.

One must remember that at the time WVU and Louisville were pushing to get into the Big 12 along with TCU as it expanded to fill its final vacancy created by the departure of Missouri and it was hardly a foregone conclusion that the Mountaineers will fill the spot.


“Chuck and I were really good friends. We had worked together for five or six years. He was the executive director of the College Football Association and I was the representative of the Football Coaches of America,” Nehlen began.

“We would meet three or four times a year and we were very instrumental in getting some sanity in the recruiting rules.”

The most important thing they did with recruiting was manage to put together a proposal to get alumni and boosters out of the recruiting process, which was not an easy sell for Nehlen to the coaches.

Luck and Clements had held negotiations with Neinas but hadn’t yet reached a deal.
“When going to the Big 12 rolled around, President Clements called me and said, ‘Hey, Don, Chuck Neinas says he’s not going to do anything unless he talks to you. So, I called Chuck,” Nehlen said.

Neinas had been the commissioner of the Big Eight for a decade before leaving and was serving as interim commissioner at this time in 2011.

Nehlen reports the conversation went like this, or something close to it;
NEHLEN: Hey, Chuck, what’s up?

NEINAS: Do you want in the Big 12?

NEHLEN: Yes we do.

NEINAS: Well, I’ll tell you what. If you want in, you are going to have to play next year and you’ve got to get an airport so we can land in Morgantown.
And that was that.

“I left the airport up to Dr. Clements. I said, ‘You handle that one,’” Nehlen said.
Let’s just say that’s still ongoing.

Oh, the Big East fought to block WVU from leaving, threatening to enforce its 27-month advance notice of departure rule, but WVU was willing to challenge that.
Certainly Nehlen was ready to make the move.

“I knew the Big East was crumbling. I’ll be honest. I was kind of disappointed. I thought we’d get into the ACC. It kind of made sense geographically. The Big 12 didn’t make sense geographically,” he said.

“When Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech pulled out, the Big East became just an average league. It was starting to fall apart.

“I thought we had to do something but Ollie and Dr. Clements really wanted to get into the Big 12 ... so, whatever little I could do I did.”

And what he could do was convince Neinas that WVU was ready to play at that level right away.

“I told him, Chuck, we could be competitive right away .. maybe not with Oklahoma. But Texas had slipped and was going through some tough times,” Nehlen said.
Neinas was receptive and Nehlen knew the deal would get done.

“He was the most knowledgeable guy in college football when I was coaching,” Nehlen said of Neinas, who had become the league’s interim commissioner and who even today, at 87, is a powerful consultant. “If people wanted something done in college football, they had to go through Chuck Neinas or they didn’t get it done. He had the clout.”

Nehlen was sure WVU could compete in the Big 12 because he knew that the Big East Conference in which he coached was every bit a tough as the Big 12 the school was heading into.

Don't kid yourselves that Nehlen had nothing to do with WVU getting in Big 12. I would say he was the most important piece to the entire puzzle.
 

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Nehlen's role in WVU move to Big 12 was simple.

The Athletic sportswriter Max Olsen wrote a solid look back on West Virginia’s departure from the crumbling Big East to join the Big 12 and save its seat among the college football power conferences.

Athletic Director Oliver Luck and then President Jim Clements pushing the move, even going so far as to include the seldom-mentioned but nonetheless crucial role that former West Virginia coach Don Nehlen played in the process.

In fact, among all of Nehlen’s contributions to WVU that got hm into the College Football Hall of Fame which included a pair of undefeated seasons and rebuilding the program so that it could remain a collegiate power, this might have been the most crucial.

Luck and Clements had an especially valuable ally in their fight to land in the Big 12: Don Nehlen. Clements asked the Mountaineers’ Hall of Fame football coach to reach out to Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas and help make their case. They’d been great friends for decades, dating back to when Neinas was executive director of the College Football Association and Nehlen was chairman of the CFA’s coaches committee and the two worked closely together on a variety of national issues. Big time key and critical piece.

One must remember that at the time WVU and Louisville were pushing to get into the Big 12 along with TCU as it expanded to fill its final vacancy created by the departure of Missouri and it was hardly a foregone conclusion that the Mountaineers will fill the spot.


“Chuck and I were really good friends. We had worked together for five or six years. He was the executive director of the College Football Association and I was the representative of the Football Coaches of America,” Nehlen began.

“We would meet three or four times a year and we were very instrumental in getting some sanity in the recruiting rules.”

The most important thing they did with recruiting was manage to put together a proposal to get alumni and boosters out of the recruiting process, which was not an easy sell for Nehlen to the coaches.

Luck and Clements had held negotiations with Neinas but hadn’t yet reached a deal.
“When going to the Big 12 rolled around, President Clements called me and said, ‘Hey, Don, Chuck Neinas says he’s not going to do anything unless he talks to you. So, I called Chuck,” Nehlen said.

Neinas had been the commissioner of the Big Eight for a decade before leaving and was serving as interim commissioner at this time in 2011.

Nehlen reports the conversation went like this, or something close to it;
NEHLEN: Hey, Chuck, what’s up?

NEINAS: Do you want in the Big 12?

NEHLEN: Yes we do.

NEINAS: Well, I’ll tell you what. If you want in, you are going to have to play next year and you’ve got to get an airport so we can land in Morgantown.
And that was that.

“I left the airport up to Dr. Clements. I said, ‘You handle that one,’” Nehlen said.
Let’s just say that’s still ongoing.

Oh, the Big East fought to block WVU from leaving, threatening to enforce its 27-month advance notice of departure rule, but WVU was willing to challenge that.
Certainly Nehlen was ready to make the move.

“I knew the Big East was crumbling. I’ll be honest. I was kind of disappointed. I thought we’d get into the ACC. It kind of made sense geographically. The Big 12 didn’t make sense geographically,” he said.

“When Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech pulled out, the Big East became just an average league. It was starting to fall apart.

“I thought we had to do something but Ollie and Dr. Clements really wanted to get into the Big 12 ... so, whatever little I could do I did.”

And what he could do was convince Neinas that WVU was ready to play at that level right away.

“I told him, Chuck, we could be competitive right away .. maybe not with Oklahoma. But Texas had slipped and was going through some tough times,” Nehlen said.
Neinas was receptive and Nehlen knew the deal would get done.

“He was the most knowledgeable guy in college football when I was coaching,” Nehlen said of Neinas, who had become the league’s interim commissioner and who even today, at 87, is a powerful consultant. “If people wanted something done in college football, they had to go through Chuck Neinas or they didn’t get it done. He had the clout.”

Nehlen was sure WVU could compete in the Big 12 because he knew that the Big East Conference in which he coached was every bit a tough as the Big 12 the school was heading into.

Don't kid yourselves that Nehlen had nothing to do with WVU getting in Big 12. I would say he was the most important piece to the entire puzzle.

And WVU stomped Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

STOMPED Oklahoma making an impact.


Negotiations, negotiating, negotiators,
But the Fiesta Made an impression, bare None.
 

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And WVU stomped Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

STOMPED Oklahoma making an impact.


Negotiations, negotiating, negotiators,
But the Fiesta Made an impression, bare None.
If that were the case, we should have went to the SEC two years later after knocking off Kentucky to go to the Final Four. Remember, it was Eddie and Manchin who tried to get Marshall into the Big East when Cryami, VPLies, and BC jumped ship for the Asheshe. Thankfully, they said no. Had they said yes, we would be in the same Island of Misfit Toys league that Marshall finds itself in now. I am just happy Ollie got us where we are now. Because, until COVID clears up and fans can come back, college sports is in deep financial trouble
 

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Olie fired Bill Stewart (without Cause)
and hired Pretty Boy,
the drunk.

Some Family atmosphere.
Olie - not impressed with his WV tenure.

Then Ollie departed in
fake make up job, with the NCAA.

Ps....I've talked to Ollie face to face a few times, even caught passes from him at Old Mountaineer Field
on a summers day.
Snake Oil Salesman, short timer.
Stewart NEVER should have been hired in the first place. Had WVU lost in Huntington against Marshall, he would have never been allowed to board the bus to come back to Morgantown. If the same "woke" crowd that sent a WVU assistant packing last fall had been around 10 years ago, Bill's reason for being fired from VMI would had reared its ugly head in Morgantown.
 

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Stewart NEVER should have been hired in the first place. Had WVU lost in Huntington against Marshall, he would have never been allowed to board the bus to come back to Morgantown. If the same "woke" crowd that sent a WVU assistant packing last fall had been around 10 years ago, Bill's reason for being fired from VMI would had reared its ugly head in Morgantown.

Partly maybe but WHO Beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta.

Who beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta?

All these negotiationers,
Who beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta?

All this talk, but who beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta?
 

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You want to know WHO beat Oklahoma?

It sure as h#!! wasn't Bill Stewart.

Calvin Magee--O coordinator who drew up and coached Pat White and co to beat OU

The players: Pat White, Steve Slaton, Noel Devine, Owen Schmitt, Darius Reynaud etc. etc.

The entire defensive staff and players that held a great OU team to only 28 pts.

Bill Stewart? A figurehead who watched talented people deliver a huge win for the Mountaineers and was the ONLY one to benefit from their hard work--rapidly sending WVU into the toilet (not unlike the present coach).
 

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And WVU stomped Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

STOMPED Oklahoma making an impact.


Negotiations, negotiating, negotiators,
But the Fiesta Made an impression, bare None.


You know what made a BIGGER impact?

Oliver Luck's pick Dana Holgorsen STOMPING CLEMSON in the Orange Bowl 70-33 in HISTORIC fashion.

That was unbelievable. And Holgorsen led the team the entire season INTO that game as well, something that Bill Stewart was NEVER able to do. Couldn't win the BE. Couldn't get to a major bowl. The only major bowl he was in was gifted to him because RR left right before the bowl.
 

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You want to know WHO beat Oklahoma?

It sure as h#!! wasn't Bill Stewart.

Calvin Magee--O coordinator who drew up and coached Pat White and co to beat OU

The players: Pat White, Steve Slaton, Noel Devine, Owen Schmitt, Darius Reynaud etc. etc.

The entire defensive staff and players that held a great OU team to only 28 pts.

Bill Stewart? A figurehead who watched talented people deliver a huge win for the Mountaineers and was the ONLY one to benefit from their hard work--rapidly sending WVU into the toilet (not unlike the present coach).

Clutz gone wild.
 

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You know what made a BIGGER impact?

Oliver Luck's pick Dana Holgorsen STOMPING CLEMSON in the Orange Bowl 70-33 in HISTORIC fashion.

That was unbelievable. And Holgorsen led the team the entire season INTO that game as well, something that Bill Stewart was NEVER able to do. Couldn't win the BE. Couldn't get to a major bowl. The only major bowl he was in was gifted to him because RR left right before the bowl.

Believe what you wish,
to PAD your debate to the damaged pac12, 2000 miles west.

The win over Clemson was with a Bill Stewart created roster,
Bill Stewart recruited Roster.
Holgerson "Peaked" during that Orange bowl game with Bill Stewart's players.

Not impressed with Oliver, for his management moves, especially his management style.


Recruiting is the most important quality needed as an WVU head coach.
And Holgorsen could have recruited much better - a Oliver decision.
 
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You want to know WHO beat Oklahoma?

It sure as h#!! wasn't Bill Stewart.

Calvin Magee--O coordinator who drew up and coached Pat White and co to beat OU

The players: Pat White, Steve Slaton, Noel Devine, Owen Schmitt, Darius Reynaud etc. etc.

The entire defensive staff and players that held a great OU team to only 28 pts.

Bill Stewart? A figurehead who watched talented people deliver a huge win for the Mountaineers and was the ONLY one to benefit from their hard work--rapidly sending WVU into the toilet (not unlike the present coach).

?Who you rooting for WVU or pac12?

Again, don't confuse a Rivals Msg Board debate vs actual reality, in competition.

Remember
you are Halking, b12 and WVU
to pac12.

Good Morning, but I'm not sure why I'm responding to you when you DO NOT believe, what I believe.

I'll decide later - if this debate has enough gumption and merit to continue responding to your
pipe dream, sorry.

I'm Bored reading, talking and responding to you, even short term.
 
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It is about positioning WVU in a better position to have success

Bring in an Arizona/California school and allow Addae to recruit PHX, Vegas and Southern California.

He brought in Tony Fields and Scottie Young.

You want another Tony Fields.
Reported this morning that Addae taking similar post with Georgia Bulldogs.
 

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?Who you rooting for WVU or pac12?

Again, don't confuse a Rivals Msg Board debate vs actual reality, in competition.

Remember
you are Halking, b12 and WVU
to pac12.

Good Morning, but I'm not sure why I'm responding to you when you DO NOT believe, what I believe.

I'll decide later - if this debate has enough gumption and merit to continue responding to your
pipe dream, sorry.

I'm Bored reading, talking and responding to you, even short term.

No.

The BIG 12 is the conference WVU is IN.

The BIG 12 must keep up with the Big Ten and SEC to be competitive and to keep its bluebloods happy. We know this.

The SEC just got a new deal that will deliver an additional $20 mil per school starting in 2025.

The Big Ten will get a second new deal soon, they are already at $55 mil per school payouts from their conference.

What this means is, whether some like it or not, chances are that in order to get the sort of revenues to be competitive and relevant in major college athletics, the BIG 12 MUST be proactive and stop with the nonsensical fear mongering that hurt the league just a few years ago.

If media partners require the amount of inventory and games with brand names they desire to boost ratings, then the BIG 12 will need to do whatever is necessary to make that happen.

Right now the PAC 12 with an abundance of "name" programs, is in a very bad spot and vulnerable.

WVU is not harmed if the conference its in adds major programs, no matter where those major programs come from. Its position as a major program will itself will only be enhanced by such a move.

Would you rather see WVU in a conference with i.e. UCLA, USC, ASU, Texas and Oklahoma, or with Houston, ECU, UCF, Boise and Temple?

WVU has to fly to all of those. The benefits of the former far outweigh the latter.
 
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