Omar Infante is an All-Star?

Todd4State · Jul 4, 2010

Interesting. He is having a good year, and is hitting over .300. And yes, I know that Manuel wants him for his versatillity, but he's not exactly what I was expecting when I think of "All-Star".

My ballot was very similar to the starters- in fact my AL ballot was exactly the same. That's the first time that has ever happened. And for the record, I vote more along the lines of "who I want to see" vs. "who had the best year". If there is a debate in my mind between two players, then I use "who had the best year" as a tiebreaker.

In the NL, I actually did not vote for Yadier Molina because of his lack of offense. I felt like Pudge Rodriguez deserved to be there using my tiebreaker. I did consider Brian McCann as well.

The other difference in my ballot on the NL side, I went with Colby Rasmus over Andre Ethier. Rasmus has more home runs, although Ethier has a higher average and only three less home runs. I can live with that.

Also, I don't think Stephen Strasburg should start the All-Star game this year for the NL. I do think that Ubaldo Jimenez should start because he may be in the midst of one of the best pitching seasons in baseball history. You should be in the league for an entire season if you want to draw the start.

Todd4State · Jul 4, 2010

Interesting. He is having a good year, and is hitting over .300. And yes, I know that Manuel wants him for his versatillity, but he's not exactly what I was expecting when I think of "All-Star".

My ballot was very similar to the starters- in fact my AL ballot was exactly the same. That's the first time that has ever happened. And for the record, I vote more along the lines of "who I want to see" vs. "who had the best year". If there is a debate in my mind between two players, then I use "who had the best year" as a tiebreaker.

In the NL, I actually did not vote for Yadier Molina because of his lack of offense. I felt like Pudge Rodriguez deserved to be there using my tiebreaker. I did consider Brian McCann as well.

The other difference in my ballot on the NL side, I went with Colby Rasmus over Andre Ethier. Rasmus has more home runs, although Ethier has a higher average and only three less home runs. I can live with that.

Also, I don't think Stephen Strasburg should start the All-Star game this year for the NL. I do think that Ubaldo Jimenez should start because he may be in the midst of one of the best pitching seasons in baseball history. You should be in the league for an entire season if you want to draw the start.

Todd4State · Jul 4, 2010

Interesting. He is having a good year, and is hitting over .300. And yes, I know that Manuel wants him for his versatillity, but he's not exactly what I was expecting when I think of "All-Star".

My ballot was very similar to the starters- in fact my AL ballot was exactly the same. That's the first time that has ever happened. And for the record, I vote more along the lines of "who I want to see" vs. "who had the best year". If there is a debate in my mind between two players, then I use "who had the best year" as a tiebreaker.

In the NL, I actually did not vote for Yadier Molina because of his lack of offense. I felt like Pudge Rodriguez deserved to be there using my tiebreaker. I did consider Brian McCann as well.

The other difference in my ballot on the NL side, I went with Colby Rasmus over Andre Ethier. Rasmus has more home runs, although Ethier has a higher average and only three less home runs. I can live with that.

Also, I don't think Stephen Strasburg should start the All-Star game this year for the NL. I do think that Ubaldo Jimenez should start because he may be in the midst of one of the best pitching seasons in baseball history. You should be in the league for an entire season if you want to draw the start.

mstatefan88 · Jul 4, 2010

Like the Freel pick either last year or 2 years ago. Utility guy that has a few walk off hits, and can play just about any position. Just disappointed Glaus didnt make it. Its tough to break thru the hold that the big 4, Pujols, Howard, Gonzalez, and Fielder will have.The numbers are better for Gonzalez, but I think when Glaus was on that tear he was on, he was practically the only hitter carrying theBraves in the RBI department, and that was huge for us. With the year McCann has had, it shows you how bad the catching talent is in the National League. Only 4 NL catcherseven have enough at bats to be recognized in the batting average category.

Todd4State · Jul 4, 2010

I don't know that the number of at bats or lack thereof is a product of bad talent, or rather the fact that catchers tend to get more days off than the other positions besides starting pitchers because of amount of energy that the postion demands.

Yadi is good, but he is hitting .235. Surely the NL can do better than that. McCann has had some issues with his eye I believe. Russell Martin is a good catcher. Pudge Rodriguez, who I voted for, is hitting over .300 and is very solid defensivey. Buster Posey of the Giants is a very good young catcher, at least offensively. He allowed the Giants to trade Benjie to the Rangers.

Glaus has had a good year for the Braves. Having five Braves on the team may have hurt his chances because of the "every team must have at least one player representative rule", which I don't like.

fieldman · Jul 4, 2010

Infante getting picked is a result of the stupid "This one counts" thing. Because the Phillies have a team built to go deep into the playoffs, you bet Charlie Manuel wants to make sure the NL has home field advantage for the WS.

In the All Star game, when you need a late inning defensive sub, who do you want to put in? Omar Infante who can play any position on the field besides catcher? Or Joey Votto, who really isn't even a good fielding first baseman? I think Votto is more deserving, and in an exhibition should get the nod over Infante, but if "This One Counts" then taking a player like Omar Infante is not even really a question.

missouridawg · Jul 4, 2010

He would've put more than one left-handed pitcher on the roster. It would be really nice to get a lefty-on-left matchup against an Ichiro, Josh Hamilton, or Carl Crawford. Billy Wagner anyone? Jaime Garcia anyone?<div>
</div><div>And why in the 17 people voted for Jason Heyward over Colby Rasmus or Matt Holliday is beyond me. I may be showing some bias towards the Cards here... but Heyward doesn't even deserve a spot on team, much less a starting spot. Thank God he's hurt and can't play.</div><div>
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wbc40 · Jul 4, 2010

and yes, you are definitely showing your Cardinals bias.

missouridawg · Jul 4, 2010

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background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">52</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">12</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">13</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">70</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #dddddd; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 42pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl73" width="56">0.296</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 40pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="53">0.326</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 38pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="51">0.495</td></tr><tr style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height="20"><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 98pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl71" height="20" width="130">Ryan Braun</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 31pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="41">MIL</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 39pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="52">325</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">50</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">96</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">23</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">11</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">51</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">11</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">27</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">53</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #dddddd; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 42pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl73" width="56">0.295</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 40pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="53">0.351</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 38pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="51">0.474</td></tr><tr style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height="20"><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 98pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl68" height="20" width="130">Andrew McCutchen</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 31pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="41">PIT</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 39pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="52">302</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">50</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">89</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">16</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">7</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">24</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">20</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">38</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">56</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 42pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl70" width="56">0.295</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 40pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="53">0.374</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 38pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="51">0.444</td></tr><tr style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height="20"><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 98pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl71" height="20" width="130">Cody Ross</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 31pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="41">FLA</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 39pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="52">303</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">40</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">88</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">18</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">7</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">43</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">8</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">21</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">68</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #dddddd; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 42pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl73" width="56">0.29</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 40pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="53">0.343</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 38pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="51">0.432</td></tr><tr style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height="20"><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 98pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl68" height="20" width="130">Jonny Gomes</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 31pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="41">CIN</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 39pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="52">251</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">34</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">72</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">17</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">10</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">56</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">2</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">18</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="40">65</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 42pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl70" width="56">0.287</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 40pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="53">0.342</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f1f1f1; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 38pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl69" width="51">0.49</td></tr><tr style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height="20"><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 98pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl71" height="20" width="130">Corey Hart</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 31pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="41">MIL</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 39pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="52">276</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">42</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="xl72" width="40">79</td><td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; OUTLINE-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; background-origin: initial; 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QuaoarsKing · Jul 4, 2010

OBP is what matters offensively (Heyward is a more impressive 7th), and to a lesser extent, slugging. A walk is as good as a single.<div>
</div><div>Heyward is top-notch defensively as well. He probably doesn't deserve the starting nod, but it's not out of the question that he should be on the team.</div>

missouridawg · Jul 4, 2010

Ever see anyone score from 2nd on a walk?

And batting average isn't a phantom stat. I agree that OBP is important, but low strikeout rates coupled with good batting average produces runs. Heyward's doing neither of those (and Rasmus isn't necessarily either).

If you're putting 8 OF's on the roster, here's how I would've done it.

Starters

LF - Ryan Braun
CF - Carlos Gonzalez
RF - Andre Ethier

Reserves:
Matt Holliday
Corey Hart
Chris Young
Jayson Werth
Josh Willingham

Todd4State · Jul 4, 2010

the fact that he has been the face of the Braves franchise as a rookie and has been playing with a broken thumb sealed the deal for me.

In the NL, I voted for Heyward, Colby Rasmus, and Ryan Braun.

Also with regards to stats, a lot of people forget that the All-Star game is about who the fans want to see rather than who's having the best year. It's a popularity contest. I want to see Heyward as opposed to say, Joey Votto or even Matt Holliday.

I've actually been in favor of having a second game the day after or before where the players on the team are made up of the players having the best season statistically.

Todd4State · Jul 4, 2010

fieldman said:
Infante getting picked is a result of the stupid "This one counts" thing. Because the Phillies have a team built to go deep into the playoffs, you bet Charlie Manuel wants to make sure the NL has home field advantage for the WS.

In the All Star game, when you need a late inning defensive sub, who do you want to put in? Omar Infante who can play any position on the field besides catcher? Or Joey Votto, who really isn't even a good fielding first baseman? I think Votto is more deserving, and in an exhibition should get the nod over Infante, but if "This One Counts" then taking a player like Omar Infante is not even really a question.

I think it would be cool to expand the rosters to 40, and among those picks have three players selected- one recognizing the best pinch hitter in both leagues, one recognizing the best pinch runner in both leagues, and one recognizing the best utility player in both leagues. Those role players are very important to teams, and it would be cool for the Lenny Harris's of the world to be recognized.

AConstipatedMonkey · Jul 4, 2010

Personally, he's my pick of NL MVP for the first half. Rolen and him have carried the hell out of that Reds offense.

shoeless joe · Jul 4, 2010

infante is on the team because he IS an all star at what he does. he is a utility guy that has big hit after big hit this season. hell, he was the everyday shortstop when the braves began their hot play this year. he can play any position and is damn good at it. its a great job by charlie manuel to put him on the team. everybody just has to realize that he is picked for being an all star at the job he is paid to do.

starting pitchers make it for doing their job on the mound, offensive players make it for their offensive stats, guys like ozzie smith made it for their defense. so i have no problem with the best utility guy in the game making the team. and yes i am a braves fan but i have seen a lot of games this year and have seen the impact he has on the team.

DesotoCountyDawg · Jul 4, 2010

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wbc40 · Jul 5, 2010

Can't fault the guy for that. And I agree about Votto, he should definitely be in.

DesotoCountyDawg · Jul 5, 2010

Whats sad is that the Padres have one All Star. One of the better teams in the NL and the best pitching staff in the NL has one player. I personally hate the "one player from each team" rule but I understand why they have it.

Todd4State · Jul 5, 2010

Is their ballpark is so big that it drives their offensive stats down- namely home runs.

boomboommsu · Jul 6, 2010

when voting started, Heyward was one of the top 3 outfielders. He had an OPS over 1, and had won several games in the last at bat. He had spent most of the season at that point hitting 7th, with hitters behind him that have had a worse season with the bat than Tim Hudson, hence all the walks (you can't hit a single when the pitcher won't pitch to you). He was in the top 3 in RBI's too, btw. He was absolutely a lock to be on the team. Since the thumb injury, he's been in a slump, and if voting today, does not deserve to make the team. But that's not how voting works. I bet you don't complain when early voting works in the Card's favor.

missouridawg · Jul 6, 2010

Carpenter shouldn't be on the team. His numbers are good, not great and he's struggled mightily, even when he's won.

Pujols, if healthy, should not even be voted on. He should be given a spot just for playing.

Matt Holliday deserves to be right where he is. Not starting the game, but coming off the bench in it.

Wainwright deserves to be on the first 3 pitchers to pitch in the game, with Josh Johnson and Ubaldo Jimenez before him.

Jaime Garcia should be on the team, and should be pitching 4th, directly behind Wainwright.

Molina should be on the team, as he's the best defense catcher in the game. I think he should definitely be starting over McCann too, as they're both pretty bad offensively this year... but Molina is a major upgrade in defense.

Rasmus shouldn't be on the team either, but he's a better option than Heyward, and has been for most of the season. After the first month of the season, here's a comparison between the two, since you seem to think Heyward was shining from day 1.

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So from right about when All-Star voting opened, Rasmus was already proven to be the better hitter. He walked more, struckout less,generated more runs(31 to 29) and had the same power. Rasmus also plays CF and plays it very well... just as good as Heyward plays RF. There is something to say about Heyward's 19 RBI's, as you can't coach a player to be more "clutch".

You guys gotta quit buying into the marketing and SportsCenter hype. Heyward is good, no doubt about that. But those early season "the next Pujols" comparisons were ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS... as well as this All-Star nomination.

DawgatAuburn · Jul 6, 2010

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boomboommsu · Jul 6, 2010

Here's the stats you left out:

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If you flip their May/June, then Rasmus is in and Heyward is out. That's just how early voting works.

FISHDAWG · Jul 6, 2010

wbc40 said:
Can't fault the guy for that. And I agree about Votto, he should definitely be in.

I think he was a managers pick and this had nothing to do with voting

missouridawg · Jul 6, 2010

patdog · Jul 6, 2010

Optimus Prime 4 · Jul 6, 2010

Fan voting for all star teams is just stupid.

missouridawg · Jul 6, 2010

I said Rasmus has a more attractive resume and HAS had a more attractive resume than Heyward. Again, Heyward is good but is not deserving of this all-star start. Him getting it, is the product of hype and marketing.... period.

missouridawg · Jul 6, 2010

Heyward had a great start... when he had a mediocre start... and I point out that fact... is that bad?<div>
</div><div>Yea, Heyward had a great 2.5 weeks in May... whooptee 17'n doo. Hisargumentmade no sense.

</div><div>You don't have to agree with anything I say.... but the stats don't lie.</div>

Todd4State · Jul 6, 2010

Optimus Prime 4 said:
Fan voting for all star teams is just stupid.

The game was designed to be for the fans. The fans should choose who they want to see.

boomboommsu · Jul 6, 2010

"And why in the 17 people voted for Jason Heyward over Colby Rasmus or Matt Holliday is beyond me. I may be showing some bias towards the Cards here... but Heyward doesn't even deserve a spot on team, much less a starting spot. Thank God he's hurt and can't play."

Heyward started out not making the start, then while he was hitting for an OPS over 1.000 and almost single-handedly carrying the Braves from worst to first in the division, he inched up to top 3 in the voting, as he should have. Then he got hurt, and his numbers dropped, but most of the votes had already been voted. If you don't like fan-voting, then say so, there's many good arguments against it, but Cards homers like you have voted in more undeserving all-stars for their team than most others do (Phillies are probably the only NL team worse about that).

You can't hit a 1+ OPS on hype and marketing, dubmass.

Optimus Prime 4 · Jul 6, 2010

having the best half year is a lie. Especially when players who haven't even played make the team. Not that they have this year, but you know what I mean. When hall of fame voting is often based on All star appearances, and contracts pay out based on them, there needs to be another way.

missouridawg · Jul 6, 2010

People should've voted for Rasmus OVER Heyward when comparing the two.

Here's a quote from my other post that you apparently didn't look at

Rasmus shouldn't be on the team either, but he's a better option than Heyward, and has been for most of the season. After the first month of the season, here's a comparison between the two, since you seem to think Heyward was shining from day 1.

Heyward had a great hot streak, as I've mentioned before.... but he's clearly shown no consistency. And for those that want to make excuses for him and say he's hurt... then so be it. I admire a guy for playing through pain... but I don't admire a guy playing through an injury that prevents him from hitting. If it's affecting your performance, take your *** to the DL.... don't wait around 3 weeks to do it.

If Heyward could've continued that 1.00+ OPS, I would've voted for him... but he didn't. Everybody can get on a hot streak... Heyward's just a rookie too... so I'm sure he'll learn a ton from these first few months. If he's going to live up to all of the hype surrounding him, he's going to have to become much more consistent.

And for the record, since I've been over the age of 12, I've never once voted for "all Cardinals" lineup...

I voted 5 or 6 times year at the games I've been too in STL and Houston... and Molina and Pujols were in all of them. Holliday was in about half of them. Rasmus was on 0 of them.

boomboommsu · Jul 6, 2010

Heyward had a great first two weeks. Then he hit a mini-slump for about two weeks (when teams stopped trying to bust fastballs in on him, and throwing more breaking balls), then he adjusted and tore up the league for May.

Not exactly a "great 2.5 weeks", homer.

Todd4State · Jul 6, 2010

Optimus Prime 4 said:
having the best half year is a lie. Especially when players who haven't even played make the team. Not that they have this year, but you know what I mean. When hall of fame voting is often based on All star appearances, and contracts pay out based on them, there needs to be another way.

is that it is not a game necessarily meant for having the best first half. It is a poularity contest. Stats do factor in to a degree, but like Heyward, just because a guy may not have the best stats, that doesn't mean I don't want to see him.

Joey Votto has better stats than Albert Pujols, but I want to see Albert Pujols play more than Votto, even though statistically Votto is more deserving. And I would feel that way if I were not a Cardinals fan.

As far as the HOF, I think they base their voting more on stats than All-Star appearances. Usually the discussion is how close is this guy to 500 HR's, 3,000 hits, 300 wins, 3,000 K's, moreso than All-Star appearances. I think most of the voters realize the All-Star situation and what it's all about. I do criticize them for some of their voting views, but that is one area that I actually think that they get right. Almost all guys that are considered for the HOF have made the All-Star team at some point anyway, so it's usually a moot point.

boomboommsu · Jul 6, 2010

"Heyward had a great hot streak, as I've mentioned before.... but he's clearly shown no consistency."

He hit two slumps: one short one when teams completely changed how they pitched to him, and another when he got hurt. Other than that, he's raked. The opposite of 'no consistency".

are you saying Rasmus, he of the .350 May slugging percentage,IS consistent?

"And for those that want to make excuses for him and say he's hurt... then so be it. I admire a guy for playing through pain... but I don't admire a guy playing through an injury that prevents him from hitting. If it's affecting your performance, take your *** to the DL.... don't wait around 3 weeks to do it."

He didn't hide it. Terry Pendleton mentioned it in an interview weeks before they DL'd him. They chose to keep playing him, their decision not his, because the alternatives were McLouth (hitting under .200) and Melky Cabrera and a DL'd Matt Diaz.

"If Heyward could've continued that 1.00+ OPS, I would've voted for him... but he didn't. Everybody can get on a hot streak... Heyward's just a rookie too... so I'm sure he'll learn a ton from these first few months. If he's going to live up to all of the hype surrounding him, he's going to have to become much more consistent."

Agreed, but that's not how the voting system is set up. I'd vote for Rasmus over him today, but i voted weeks ago, when Rasmus had been hitting for half the slugging percentage. In the first half of June, nobody but a Cards homer would've voted for Rasmus over Heyward. You just can't see that because you're a Cards homer.

"Everybody can get on a hot streak"

And most that ride a hot streak thru all of May wind up as all-stars. that's the point you seem to be missing.

wbc40 · Jul 6, 2010

ckDOG · Jul 6, 2010

missouridawg · Jul 6, 2010

But on 6/8, Rasmus was hitting 23 points higher and slugging 62 points more than Heyward

On 6/15, Rasmus was hitting 33 points higher and slugging 121 points more than Heyward.

There was about 3 weeks in May in which Heyward should've been voted in over Rasmus, that's it. All-Star voting last significantly longer than 3 weeks. No reason, other than hype and marketing, that people would've voted in Heyward over Rasmus.

Fan voting is ridiculous and should be ended until the All-Star game has no meaning. Take away the home-field advantage for the winner... then create the dog-and-pony show the fans want.

KurtRambis4 · Jul 6, 2010

dog in this fight, but you are most definitely a cards homer. That I do know.

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