If it is this bad, and UM is shut out from the beginning (can't even talk to the recruits etc...) Then how in the hell did your entire fan base, recruiting gurus, and coaches think that you were getting Coleman right up until signing day? Clearly you you had an open line of communication with Coleman, and a good enough recruiting presence with him to feel this way. Your bitching after the fact just seems like sour grapes, more of the "how could anyone choose anything over Ole Miss" ********.
On the OB situation
- Thread starter randystewart
- Start date
Who is this "athletics director of Desoto County" that you speak of? You know this secret person exist, but you can't say his name.<div>HighPointDawg said:
</div><div>Oh yeah, you don't know what the 17 you are talking about.</div><div>
</div><div>
<div>
</div><div>
</div></div>
i don't have to believe you.. I've been in the room before.
I agree things have changed.. in the Orgeron days you would have still had a chance on a guy like Robinson because you hadn't made fools of yourselves calling every politician in DeSoto crying about lack of returned phone calls.
So what is interesting is that when somebody posts that obviously knows what is going on here you don't repeat the things above about Offers not being told to players (which is BS), LOI's being shredded (BS), etc..
Look I don't disagree that he blatantly pushes kids away from Ole Miss (but he thinks the same for other MS schools as well) but it has been looked into and there is absolutely no validity that he's being unethical. There is nothing in his job that says he has to return Nutt's phone calls. He feels a responsibility to get his players the best chance to the NFL he can and it isn't like they are avoiding Ole Miss to end up at Tulane.. the kids are ending up winning National Titles. It is 80% sour grapes.
My opinion is that Ole Miss should go after a 2* player from OB with limited offers and if your offer is hidden from that player then you have legit gripes.
No doubt. I have no reason to not believe this. It also has NOTHING to do with the Rebel Messageboards and their homer writers claiming that he is committing fraud.
Player camp invites are sent either to the school or directly to the players homes. If your brilliant coach says that they are being thrown in the trash then maybe he isn't as smart as you guys think. And before you say "Samsel won't give us the players addresses" that is B.S. the school district releases that information of all potential student athletes when time. Also his players get pretty good camps.
cry me a river.. this happens to every college coach everywhere...
This happens a lot again but also there are other means to get tapes. When you are recruiting 4* and 5* players maybe your coaching staff should invest in travelling to the school on Friday nights and watching them play. Samsel has told every coach he deals with that he is not doing THEIR work.
I agree things have changed.. in the Orgeron days you would have still had a chance on a guy like Robinson because you hadn't made fools of yourselves calling every politician in DeSoto crying about lack of returned phone calls.
I am not. But I live in DeSoto and I am very involved in the county's athletics. I agree on the OB / SP thing... and that he's not good enough.
So what is interesting is that when somebody posts that obviously knows what is going on here you don't repeat the things above about Offers not being told to players (which is BS), LOI's being shredded (BS), etc..
Look I don't disagree that he blatantly pushes kids away from Ole Miss (but he thinks the same for other MS schools as well) but it has been looked into and there is absolutely no validity that he's being unethical. There is nothing in his job that says he has to return Nutt's phone calls. He feels a responsibility to get his players the best chance to the NFL he can and it isn't like they are avoiding Ole Miss to end up at Tulane.. the kids are ending up winning National Titles. It is 80% sour grapes.
My opinion is that Ole Miss should go after a 2* player from OB with limited offers and if your offer is hidden from that player then you have legit gripes.
G
Goat Redux
Guest
<div>
</div><div>Forgive me for thinking you are full of ****, but for someone who is "very involved with athletics" in Desoto County, this is the very first time you've ever posted on the OB situation or their players.</div><div>
</div><div>If you are "in the know" you'd have posted in one of the numerous Samsel, Robinson, Coleman, or OB threads before now.</div>
</div><div>Forgive me for thinking you are full of ****, but for someone who is "very involved with athletics" in Desoto County, this is the very first time you've ever posted on the OB situation or their players.</div><div>
</div><div>If you are "in the know" you'd have posted in one of the numerous Samsel, Robinson, Coleman, or OB threads before now.</div>
G
Goat Redux
Guest
their brains are in friggin' candyland or something. The blind homerism shown by these pricks is mind boggling - worse than Alabama. It's just another excuse for them to use for not getting recruits.</p>
I am a fan.<div>
</div><div>The same as everyone else in this thread other than the guy that claims to work "very closely with athletics" at OB and knows of a top secret athletics director for the whole county (not just Olive Branch).</div>
</div><div>The same as everyone else in this thread other than the guy that claims to work "very closely with athletics" at OB and knows of a top secret athletics director for the whole county (not just Olive Branch).</div>
Any other State in the nation (football States, anyway), he would immediately be fired. If a Texas high school coach tried to do this, he'd end up coaching middle school teams in Chihauhua.
In my opinion, it's more than he just hates Ole Miss. He's actively pushing kids out of State. That hurts both of us. And it's ethically reprehensible for a high school football coach to wield that kind of power over kids and their families.
In my opinion, it's more than he just hates Ole Miss. He's actively pushing kids out of State. That hurts both of us. And it's ethically reprehensible for a high school football coach to wield that kind of power over kids and their families.
Is there proof that he throws scholly's and letters away or is it just black helicopters and sour grapes?Lion O said:
Because rarely is Mississippi or MSU going to beat Bama and even Auburn out for a recruit, it happens but it is rare. Lets see, I can go to Mississippi where they have never gone to an SEC Champ game or I can go to Bama where they go often and where they just won a National Championship. Where you going......
What makes you think he doesn't? He's openly hostile in interviews regarding this issue, which in my opinion lends credibility to this conspiracy theory.
Regardless, he thinks he's much more important than he is, and that's a terrible character trait no matter what your job title is.
Regardless, he thinks he's much more important than he is, and that's a terrible character trait no matter what your job title is.
I don't.
And it isn't "super secret" lots of people know. and I made up the title but that is what Milton calls him since that is what he does
And it isn't "super secret" lots of people know. and I made up the title but that is what Milton calls him since that is what he does
Dammit, Bruiser, reveal your source or we are no longer internet friends!<div>dawgatUSM said:
</div><div>A secret source isn't the point.</div><div>
</div><div>HighPointDawg claimed that the Desoto County School System had an athletic director. There is no such thing.</div><div>
</div><div>Each individual school in the school system has an athletic director, but there is no AD for the whole district.</div><div>
</div><div>So yeah, ********.
</div>
Look, I also know Milton. I have chipped golf balls with him in his front yard.I know his children Jeannie and Ryan too. My sister works for him.<div>HighPointDawg said:
</div><div>However, he is Dr. Kuykendall. I realize that I too could sound more involved with the situation if casually called him Milton in front of the the message board crowd.</div><div>
</div><div>There is no such thing as an athletic director of Desoto County Schools.
<div>
</div><div>
</div></div>
but there are plenty of State fans, and Ole Miss fans, and assorted other fans. It's not an Ole Miss dominated city though, nor is it State dominated. Our baseball team has had plenty of MC players through the years- Brad Hutto, Scott DeLoach, Nick Hardy, Mark Muzzi's son who I can't recall his first name, Jarrod Parks, and we have Braydon Jones as a preferred walk-on/commit. Not to mention we had Joe Iupe for basketball.
We have also had several MC walk-ons in football like Cody Upton, Ben Justice (Yep, Coach Justice's son), Mark Brown, Mark Lynn, and etc.
As far as the other football players, I know Gene gets raked through the coals a lot about Doug Buckles, and rightfully so, but he was indeed at one time going to be a Bulldog. I really don't know what happened or where there was a falling out, but something changed. Once that happened, I felt we essentially also lost Chris Spencer. Espy wanted to be a lawyer, so no one was surprised when he committed to Ole Miss. I was actually surprised that Parys Haralson went to UT and not Ole Miss. That group, along with Bobo Brown who couldn't get into Ole Miss, were part of the XenaReb era.
We could have actually broken the pipeline with Chaz Ramsey, but stupid Croom wouldn't even touch MC when he was coaching at MSU. So, he goes to Auburn and was last seen chopping down Glen Dorsey.
Jared Foster was roid head who ended up at MGCC, but he then went to Ole Miss before he was arrested for roids aGAIN.
I do know that Bobby Hall tries to steer players to UM. But I also knows that he has a good relationship with Hud, who I believe recruits MC for us because he coached Hall's son at some point- maybe Murray State or Northwest CC. We also have Bernard Euell on staff at MC- former WR/CB from the Sherrill era.
The current group of guys from MC, as I have said the key was Carlton Martin. His family members are Ole Miss fans. They wanted him to go there. He took Bennett with him, and likely Tobias Singleton to. Honestly, they all probably would have gone to Ole Miss had we had Dan Mullen himself coaching MC.
There is a guy on the team named Davis Johnson who is 6'5" 325 and plays guard for MC that allegedly wants to go to MSU. I don't know how much of a prospect he is, but he may be someone that we look at. I don't know at this point in the game, but I did hear him get mentioned one time. He obviously has D-I size at the very least. Someone can ask Paul Jones.
But yes, MSU can get players from MC to go there, it just hasn't shaked out for MSU there. Yet.
We have also had several MC walk-ons in football like Cody Upton, Ben Justice (Yep, Coach Justice's son), Mark Brown, Mark Lynn, and etc.
As far as the other football players, I know Gene gets raked through the coals a lot about Doug Buckles, and rightfully so, but he was indeed at one time going to be a Bulldog. I really don't know what happened or where there was a falling out, but something changed. Once that happened, I felt we essentially also lost Chris Spencer. Espy wanted to be a lawyer, so no one was surprised when he committed to Ole Miss. I was actually surprised that Parys Haralson went to UT and not Ole Miss. That group, along with Bobo Brown who couldn't get into Ole Miss, were part of the XenaReb era.
We could have actually broken the pipeline with Chaz Ramsey, but stupid Croom wouldn't even touch MC when he was coaching at MSU. So, he goes to Auburn and was last seen chopping down Glen Dorsey.
Jared Foster was roid head who ended up at MGCC, but he then went to Ole Miss before he was arrested for roids aGAIN.
I do know that Bobby Hall tries to steer players to UM. But I also knows that he has a good relationship with Hud, who I believe recruits MC for us because he coached Hall's son at some point- maybe Murray State or Northwest CC. We also have Bernard Euell on staff at MC- former WR/CB from the Sherrill era.
The current group of guys from MC, as I have said the key was Carlton Martin. His family members are Ole Miss fans. They wanted him to go there. He took Bennett with him, and likely Tobias Singleton to. Honestly, they all probably would have gone to Ole Miss had we had Dan Mullen himself coaching MC.
There is a guy on the team named Davis Johnson who is 6'5" 325 and plays guard for MC that allegedly wants to go to MSU. I don't know how much of a prospect he is, but he may be someone that we look at. I don't know at this point in the game, but I did hear him get mentioned one time. He obviously has D-I size at the very least. Someone can ask Paul Jones.
But yes, MSU can get players from MC to go there, it just hasn't shaked out for MSU there. Yet.
I know you're being facetious, but it's a close family friend who is involved in a lot of the university fundraising campaigns and is close enough to the football program to know what goes on.
The only way I'd say what I'm telling you is not true is if Nutt were lying to this man, but I'll leave it at that.
On that subject though, it's been brought up many times, but do any of you honestly think Samsel would keep his job if he were doing the same thing to LSU as a head coach in Monroe, or if he were doing the same thing to Auburn or Alabama as a head coach in Birmingham?
He'd have been gone a few years ago.
The only way I'd say what I'm telling you is not true is if Nutt were lying to this man, but I'll leave it at that.
On that subject though, it's been brought up many times, but do any of you honestly think Samsel would keep his job if he were doing the same thing to LSU as a head coach in Monroe, or if he were doing the same thing to Auburn or Alabama as a head coach in Birmingham?
He'd have been gone a few years ago.
and I didn't want to spell his name wrong is the only reason I typed Milton.. I didn't do that as a "I think it makes me look like I know him" thing, although I can see how that would seem that way now. I don't know Kuykendall that well.. I do know the man that he calls "the athletic director of DeSoto County" very well and I know he was asked to look into this stuff by Kuykendall and I know that he also is the one that has had to fire other coaches for improper acts.
...Samsel may be trying to run his program clean, but I've been told that he's a scumbag.
That said, if his douchebaggery leads to a player never going to Ole Miss from the OB, well, I'm cool with that.
Edited because I shouldn't haveposted whatI did earlier based on heresay.
That said, if his douchebaggery leads to a player never going to Ole Miss from the OB, well, I'm cool with that.
Edited because I shouldn't haveposted whatI did earlier based on heresay.
They wonder where the money comes from to pay the players he recruits from Memphis city schools, though.
olemissbydamn said:
Instead you drop his kids names, and that you chipped golf balls with him in his front yard to sound more involved with the situation. You and a few other Rebel posters on here are so damn awful it's ridiculous. I've asked you this before, but on a scale of 1-10, just how awesome are you?
and I really have very very limited knowledge of the situation. I'm definitley no expert on OB/Samsel, just passing along heresay. Yeah, I've heardthe paying Memphis playerstoo. I don't really care at this point from the State persepective, you guys are saying its hurting/will continue to hurt us in recruiting, but from where we're sitting its not that bad of a deal. We got Robinson, Coleman never gave us a look to begin with. All conspiracies aside, I think, at its core, the situation is overblown because of the close proximity between OM and OB, and the number of alumni you have close to the situation. If anybody should be bitching about a situation like that it should be us with Nox. County which we used to own, and now we've lost the 2 best players they've had in the last 10 years or so to OM. Its 17'in ridiculous. So, I don't really give a **** about the Rebel bitching because you lost a few recruits whether it be fair or by Samsel's doing. If it keeps them from Oxford, its fine by me.
J
JimHalpert.nafoom
Guest
By far more kids went to State after high school. Out of a graduating class of 460, I'd say there are less than 30 kids from my class at Ole Miss, as opposed to well over 100 at State.
JimHalpert said:
It just doesn't seem like MSU has that many more fans here in Madison. I'm not saying that I don't see MSU stuff to- it just seems like it would be closer to 50/50.
That's what I want to know.........I mean, how much control do thesekids let him have over them ? College coaches don't necessarily have to have any contact with Samsel personally when recruiting these playersif theychoose not to. Samsel is not standing guard at the school entrance with a shotgun, nor is he screening calls at these kid's houses....futaba said:
I know I wouldn't let someone else tell me where to go & what to do with my life, but that's just me....
player to play forMSU...........That was Chris Rainey in the mid-late 90's.......The rest have gone to Ole Miss...........So, Hall has one to State and Samsel has one to Ole Miss...........Not much difference is there........However, Samsel has had a few go outta state Coleman, Woodall, and DB that signed with Bama last year (can't remember his name now) and Hall has not because theyall go to UM........END OF STORY..........
and it will probably be about the same this year, but as long as Coach Hall is at MC it will be very very hard to steer a football recruit to mississippi state. I've witnessed Coach Hall firsthand steering people his players Towards Ole Miss. Hell, he even steers his managers to OleMiss, one is on scholarship right now and 3 other guys have visited and been offered scholarships to manage there in the 3 years he has been here.