Louisiana-Lafayette. Evidentally, Mullen had to make room for others. His family is not happy with MSU to say the least... of course they are spreading RUMORS here on the Coast we are losing scholarships b/c of NCAA sanctions.
One more scholarship opening up... Scott Austin (WR) from Biloxi headed to
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Don't really know how good he is, but I don't see why we don't give a Dandy Dozen MS a chance over the others.
Agree. Mullen is not an idiot, he actually knows his **** when evaluating these guys. Must be more to the story. I mean, if his parents are really down there spreading rumors about us going on probation, they must not be great people anyway. But who knows what is truth. Recruits are going to get pissed off every year, at every team and coach.
Amazing how we are losing all of these schollys....
but we added another WR (Wilson) AFTER asking Austin to grayshirt. Don't understand why the marginal or injured recruits (Ducksworth last year) freak out about the option of grayshirting. They obviously aren't ready to contribute as a true freshman in the SEC anyway so they aren't losing anything and they get a spring training under their belt before even showing up as a freshman. Unless a guy is just adamant about playing as a true freshman I don't see anything lost unless you have no trust you won't be resigned. I will add though that I would still much rather have signed Austin that re-signing Samuel.
We're overstocked with W/R anyway, imo. I think we need to recruit more DL-right now I don't see any committed and who's to say how good Evans and James will turn out to be? I'm not sold on Virgis, Jones, and the rest of them either. Wilson must have not had a whole lot of confidence in them since he started and played Cherrington most of the time.
Yeah, I know he was asked to greyshirt... I am just telling you the rumors flooding out of Biloxi High School. I too do not understand why he would be so bitter when asked to greyshirt. I know he was a very early commit and possibly may feel like he was **** on, who knows.
One of my good friends was asked to grey shirt for a Sun Belt team and did it. He paid for one semester (in-state tuition - grants, it ended up being very cheap) and then redshirted the next. He's now one of this team's best receivers, and he's extremely thankful for being able to pay a couple thousand dollars for a bachelors and masters degree.
This is the problem with the culture of college sports. Some kids are blessed with athletic ability and ride that to get a free college education. In reality, Austin could get a loan for ~$5,000 and that would cover every single detail (food, gas, tuition, housing, books, and entertainment) until he was put on scholarship, at which point he's set for 5 years. After we've invested all this in him he can pay back that ~$5,000 he got ~8 years ago by having a career college prepared him for. If he didn't want to do that, he should have tried better in school and got an academic scholarship where he was set regardless. The odds of kids making a career in pro football are minimal, and I wish these kids realized that 99% of going to school for football is to get an education, which I would have gladly paid $5,000 for.
ETA: there's no problem with him saying "thanks but no thanks" to the grey shirt. If he is one of those who didn't take school seriously because he knew he'd get a football scholarship, that's fine too. But don't stir up rumors and get mad when we split up.
This is the problem with the culture of college sports. Some kids are blessed with athletic ability and ride that to get a free college education. In reality, Austin could get a loan for ~$5,000 and that would cover every single detail (food, gas, tuition, housing, books, and entertainment) until he was put on scholarship, at which point he's set for 5 years. After we've invested all this in him he can pay back that ~$5,000 he got ~8 years ago by having a career college prepared him for. If he didn't want to do that, he should have tried better in school and got an academic scholarship where he was set regardless. The odds of kids making a career in pro football are minimal, and I wish these kids realized that 99% of going to school for football is to get an education, which I would have gladly paid $5,000 for.
ETA: there's no problem with him saying "thanks but no thanks" to the grey shirt. If he is one of those who didn't take school seriously because he knew he'd get a football scholarship, that's fine too. But don't stir up rumors and get mad when we split up.
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And that's all they probably are. Why would anybody on our coaching staff tell a recruit that we were losing scholarships because of an NCAA investigation?
Very bad decision by Mullen in my opinion....
It's very bad business to accept commitments from kids(particularly from In-State Players) without doing ALL your homework on them first. Ole Miss gets transcripts from EVERY kid that there is serious mutual interest with, generally before offering, but ALWAYS before accepting commitments.
You bring kids 5 hours from their house to your campus to work out @ the place they feel is their future school, let them commit for almost 6 months and pull the rug out from under them while there? Mullen handled this badly. It happens in recruiting, no doubt... but there is no justification for how it went down here, IMO
You bring kids 5 hours from their house to your campus to work out @ the place they feel is their future school, let them commit for almost 6 months and pull the rug out from under them while there? Mullen handled this badly. It happens in recruiting, no doubt... but there is no justification for how it went down here, IMO
Dude, shut up. No they don't. All colleges do that crap. Yes, MSU fans will rag OM fans when they do it, and we probably deserve to catch some hell now.
But don't come over here acting like we should beware of some crazy consequence. Freeze did it to Buchanan just this year. It's all rumor anyway, nobody knows.
Damn, you self honoring rebel douches are annoying.
But don't come over here acting like we should beware of some crazy consequence. Freeze did it to Buchanan just this year. It's all rumor anyway, nobody knows.
Damn, you self honoring rebel douches are annoying.
Not sure why grayshirt is such a bad deal
He has to sit out the first semester of school, or only take a couple courses so he's not full time, for possibly an extra year of eligibility. Probably hurt his ego more than what's real.
That said, once a school offers, they should live up to it. But I suppose the business of football doesn't allow that.
He has to sit out the first semester of school, or only take a couple courses so he's not full time, for possibly an extra year of eligibility. Probably hurt his ego more than what's real.
That said, once a school offers, they should live up to it. But I suppose the business of football doesn't allow that.
yes we know
They had to change the rules because Ole Miss liked accepting commitments so much... It's funny you spew this ******** on here when how long had Miller been committed when Ole Miss asked him to greyshirt?
They had to change the rules because Ole Miss liked accepting commitments so much... It's funny you spew this ******** on here when how long had Miller been committed when Ole Miss asked him to greyshirt?
I just want to see who the recruits are that we bumped him for. Must have somebody lined up that's worth a ****.
Well, truth be told- we are losing 2 schollys...thats been known for a few months now...but that's not why Austin was asked to greyshirt. He was asked to greyshirt because of Wilson coming into the picture- and Austin was odd man out. We simply took a better player in his spot
I doubt very seriously that we know we would greyshirt him at this point....
but if you don't alert the kid to the possibility you would be really doing him dirty. We made him aware that depending on how the final spots work out this could happen so that allowed him to look at his other possiblities like ULL. Now if on signing day we tell him he can't sign and he has had no chance at looking at other options he would have every right to be royally pissed.
My understanding is that grey shirting means you agree to go to said school, can take as many hours as you want, but you are in NO way affiliated with the team. You can't practice with the team or participate in team workouts or any TEAM related activity for at least a semester. To do this though the kid has to have a lot of dedication because the coaches require the kid to show up in shape from doing personal workouts.
It's not ideal, but it's only ~4 months!
Jesus... do you believe even a word of what you typed? Explain Marquel Combs then. There is 2 or 3 more situations in THIS signing period of similar things happening in your class...
Rumor is that Austin is a grade risk -- and we could only afford to take one of those(Gray) this year. David Saunders will probably get him into ULL -- after all, he got in Qyen Griffing when everyone thought it was impossible, and he would have been offered by everyone in the southeast if he had the grades. Same guy responsible for getting Dixon into MSU and (I believe) Powe into Ole Miss. From what I've heard, we didn't pull the rug out from under him. There was an understanding about his grades, and he didn't meet the criteria. So, we asked him to greyshirt while working on them -- he didn't want to do that -- end of story.
The advantage though is the kid would get a spring practice...
under his belt even before his true freshman season and even then would still have the option to redshirt if it was needed.
I really can't believe you of all people would say something like this....
Because here is a link to what you said when we dropped Mario Mathis almost 8 months before signing day. Its funny that Austin is now a grade risk all of a sudden. I would assume this is something that MSU coaches would have learned about and probably wouldn't have accepted his commitment, because according to you, that is what MSU does. They certainly don't tell a kid hey you have a spot with us, and then pull it just a few weeks before signing day? Because in your opinion, there is no justification for how it went down when someone's scholarship is withdrawn months before signing day as opposed to weeks with Austin.
http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...ment-I-am-posting-this&highlight=mario+mathis
Lets see, you said this:
It's very bad business to accept commitments from kids(particularly from OOS) without doing ALL your homework on them first. State gets transcripts from EVERY kid that there is serious mutual interest with, generally before offering, but ALWAYS before accepting commitments.
You bring kids 6+ hours from their house to your campus to work out @ the place they feel is their future school, and pull the rug out from under them while there? Freeze handled this badly. It happens in recruiting, no doubt... but there is no justification for how it went down here, IMO
Because here is a link to what you said when we dropped Mario Mathis almost 8 months before signing day. Its funny that Austin is now a grade risk all of a sudden. I would assume this is something that MSU coaches would have learned about and probably wouldn't have accepted his commitment, because according to you, that is what MSU does. They certainly don't tell a kid hey you have a spot with us, and then pull it just a few weeks before signing day? Because in your opinion, there is no justification for how it went down when someone's scholarship is withdrawn months before signing day as opposed to weeks with Austin.
http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...ment-I-am-posting-this&highlight=mario+mathis
Lets see, you said this:
It's very bad business to accept commitments from kids(particularly from OOS) without doing ALL your homework on them first. State gets transcripts from EVERY kid that there is serious mutual interest with, generally before offering, but ALWAYS before accepting commitments.
You bring kids 6+ hours from their house to your campus to work out @ the place they feel is their future school, and pull the rug out from under them while there? Freeze handled this badly. It happens in recruiting, no doubt... but there is no justification for how it went down here, IMO
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because the DD is a crock. the c-l doesn't want to offend anybody so you get a few msu leans/committs a few ole miss leans/committs and a usm kid thrown in for balance. it has no credibility really. any of us can come up with maybe the best 3-4 but after that who knows? certainly not the c-l
Oh wow. Engie.....just retreat, pal.
OMlawdog I retract my statement in my previous post about you being a douche. This was beautiful.
OMlawdog I retract my statement in my previous post about you being a douche. This was beautiful.
There is a big difference between pulling an offer altogether -- and asking a kid to greyshirt. I'd forgotten all about Mathis. What about Middleton? I notice you avoided the question on Combs. Who was the other JUCO that flipped from you allegedly because of grades?
Austin had a full semester plus to get his grades and test scores in order to come to MSU -- it hasn't been done yet. Plus, our situation has changed since July -- with talk of us self-imposing a 2 scholarship reduction this year to avoid any further punishment over our "inquiry."
Our staff has been as good as ANYONE in the country about keeping with accepted commitments. We brought Samuel in from Hargrave when we shouldn't have accepted his commitment in the first place. All these guys have to do is be honest with the staff and take care of business on and off the field. Not making the grades when you know that's your stipulation in the offer falls on the kid -- not on our staff.
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You can't take all the hours you want. If you're a full-time student, your eligibility clock starts. A greyshirt has to be a part-time student (8 hours or less/semester).
Really? Just to recap...
Here is what you said in the summer:
So were they not able to read his transcripts? After we told a kid 8 months before signing day that we weren't going to honor our word to him. Now, MSU coaches have told Scott Austin weeks before signing day that they are not going to honor their word to him, and here is what I said:
Can't you just say the following, which is the complete truth, "My opinion on how a recruit was treated will be completely different regardless of how similar the facts if it involves MSU coaches or Ole Miss coaches." At least you would be honest.
Here is what you said in the summer:
So were they not able to read his transcripts? After we told a kid 8 months before signing day that we weren't going to honor our word to him. Now, MSU coaches have told Scott Austin weeks before signing day that they are not going to honor their word to him, and here is what I said:
Can't you just say the following, which is the complete truth, "My opinion on how a recruit was treated will be completely different regardless of how similar the facts if it involves MSU coaches or Ole Miss coaches." At least you would be honest.