I attended the NH - Laney game last night. Throughout the game I spoke to about 5 different people that I recognized. After speaking with them I counted at least 10 players on NH roster that live in Laney district. I have no idea how many players on NH roster that live in Ashley or Hoggard districts however I'm sure there are at least a few. For those that may not know, NH has open enrollment and the other three HS do not. I am not knocking NH or those players. Laney and Ashley have had serious coaching problems and I don't blame players and parents for wanting a more stable situation. The problem I have is the county allowing NH to have open enrollment and not the other three schools. This has been allowed to help NH number catch up with the other schools. As of last year NH enrollment has surpassed Hoggards and is within 100 of AHS. Laney is consistently about 250 more than the other schools. So this is simple, open it for all or close it for all. If needed, re district a few neighborhoods to NH and Hoggard and things will be even. Something needs to be done. I would appreciate some comments and ideas of the best way to get this issue dealt with. I know some media guys but not sure if they are willing to chew on this.
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This thread shows exactly why you should only believe half of what you read. Does NH have players that "Open Choiced" to go there? Yes... Is NH the only school in the county that has open choice? No... Is NH the only school that has players from other school districts? No... I can understand some of the hate that people have for NH, but at least tell the truth.
I think what is interesting is that these " open enrollment" schools rarely win anything especially at the higher end levels. I believe in some cases it actually becomes a detriment and a morale killer. Kid plays and practices his butt off for 3 years with his buddies and then Johnny Superstar shows up his senior year and wins his starting spot sometimes because he has been guaranteed that spot by a coach. Tears down the entire team. Forsyth County is all Open and they never win anything?? I can see it helping some in basketball where one kid can really make a huge difference but football really takes a team effort. Johnny Superstar isn't getting any yards if his line doesn't block for him.
Raleigh has same thing. I think all schools will have open enrollment, school of choice, magnet, etc. before too long. The middle schools will be recruited just like the high school for college.
The other schools in Wilmington do have an open choice however the numbers are very small and if the county feels I t's athletically driven they will not allow it. If my son played at Laney one year and then wanted to play for Hoggard we would have to move into Hoggard district. If he wanted to play at NH we would not have to move.
A quick look at the New Hanover County Schools website should straighten all of this out. Open Choice is available for every school. Where on that site is Open enrollment mentioned?
Port you seem to want to stir the pot for no absolute reason.
P.S. How are those "Hampstead Players" working out for the Vikes this year?
Port you seem to want to stir the pot for no absolute reason.
P.S. How are those "Hampstead Players" working out for the Vikes this year?
I am not stirring the pot. I explained the open choice option. The Hampstead kids are a great example. Topsail fired their coach and did not hire another coach well into summer workouts. The players that came to Hoggard had to move into the district. App, you know I'm a Hoggard guy, and this really hasn't hurt Hoggard. Few players leave the Hoggard district to go to NH, however is hurt the other schools. I have spoken with a number of parents who tried to get into Hoggard and the county wouldn't allow it. I'm sure some baseball players have tried to get into Ashley as well.
That's my point.... You mention one school and fail to mention what your own team has gained.... Others jump on the band wagon without knowing the full scope of things in New Hanover county. I mean what did you want to accomplish by going to a game that your team wasn't playing in and then by your observation notice how many kids are playing for NH that by your investigation should be someplace else. As if NH is doing something that no other school in Wilmington is doing.
Well I'm a Forsyth county guy and open enrollment has ruined our schools academically which should be more important!! And B&G by winning nothing important do you mean 4AA football titles? Cause if you check West Forsyth won 4A baseball, RJR is perennial tennis power, Parkland is perennial in wrestling and that's just 4A. Other schools have titles in other classifications. There are other classifications besides 4A!!
Port, I think you are a little outdated with your facts. New Hanover used to be open enrollment. The problem was they couldn't refuse anyone even if they had gotten kicked out of one of the other high schools. It was changed 3-4 years ago and now all 4 County High Schools are open choice. This means that they must fill out a form requesting to attend a school outside of their district and it is only granted at the discretion of the Central office, not the individual schools. If you do not get in the school you would like to attend you have the option of moving into the district for that school.
The School Administration seems to have adopted a policy of letting rising 9th graders who request open choice to attend their school of choice if there is room at the school which my understanding is decided by the principal of said High School. After 9th grade the school system is much tougher on allowing open choice.
You cited all the former Laney players now at New Hanover. I don't know of any that got in by open choice. All had to move into the district which they did and was confirmed by the central office.
Your Post seems to insinuate that New Hanover is responsible for the demise of Laney and Ashley football and Hoggard is squeaky clean. I know Hoggard has at least 5 players who live in Jervay Public Housing who are on your defense and Jervay is in the Ashley district. If you want to go back a few years, Jonathon Cooper (remember him, UNC and NFL) lived in the New Hanover district, played at Laney as a freshman and then mysteriously appeared at Hoggard for the next 3 years without moving.
This switching schools works both ways. One of Laney's starting running backs was at New Hanover for 2 years and then he supposedly was promised 30-35 carries per year to transfer to Laney but supposedly is living back in the Hanover district. There were 5 or 6 Hanover players that transferred to Ashley this year.
Just wanted to clear up any misinformation that may have been posted.
The School Administration seems to have adopted a policy of letting rising 9th graders who request open choice to attend their school of choice if there is room at the school which my understanding is decided by the principal of said High School. After 9th grade the school system is much tougher on allowing open choice.
You cited all the former Laney players now at New Hanover. I don't know of any that got in by open choice. All had to move into the district which they did and was confirmed by the central office.
Your Post seems to insinuate that New Hanover is responsible for the demise of Laney and Ashley football and Hoggard is squeaky clean. I know Hoggard has at least 5 players who live in Jervay Public Housing who are on your defense and Jervay is in the Ashley district. If you want to go back a few years, Jonathon Cooper (remember him, UNC and NFL) lived in the New Hanover district, played at Laney as a freshman and then mysteriously appeared at Hoggard for the next 3 years without moving.
This switching schools works both ways. One of Laney's starting running backs was at New Hanover for 2 years and then he supposedly was promised 30-35 carries per year to transfer to Laney but supposedly is living back in the Hanover district. There were 5 or 6 Hanover players that transferred to Ashley this year.
Just wanted to clear up any misinformation that may have been posted.
Please read my posts again. I have stated that I don't blame NH for taking those kids nor do I blame the kids for seeking out a better situation. You all can post the county's official stance however it is obvious that kids are transferring to NH at a much higher rate than the other schools. There are people that manipulate the system to get into schools but my point is, kids that want to go to NH don't have too. They are let in.
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YOU MI.SSED THE SCOT,LAND AN RICHMOND THREADS
NO YOU DID,NT YOU SAW IT BUT DID,TN REEPLie
I NEED TO SEE YOU MORE INVOLVED
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good mornign, ct
YOU MI.SSED THE SCOT,LAND AN RICHMOND THREADS
NO YOU DID,NT YOU SAW IT BUT DID,TN REEPLie
I NEED TO SEE YOU MORE INVOLVED
YOU BEEING A TRAITOR
good mornign, ct
OLE CT CAN NOT OR WILL NOT REPLY TO STATEMENTS ABOUT THOSE SKIRTWEARERS OR THOSE CHICKEN FARMERS. NOR CAN OR WILL I HAVE ANY STATEMENTS ABOUT GOD,S COUNTRY AKA THE SOUTHEAST CONFERENCE AND IT,S RESIDENTS THAT RESIDE IN NEVER, NEVER, LAND AKA THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT. PS GREAT GAME BY THE SWEETERS LOOKED GOOD IN PRE GAME AND AT COIN TOSS
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Yes- I was referring to the lack of 4a titles in football. I could see where it is a bigger advantage in other sports but it hasn't yielded much in large school football.
How are they "let" into NH more than any of the other 3 County Schools? They have to apply for open choice just like any other school. They actually have to move into NH district!!!! Could it just be that more kids want to got to New Hanover?
Since you seem to know everything about Open Choice can you tell me how many kids applied to each school, how many got in and how many were athletes?
Since you seem to know everything about Open Choice can you tell me how many kids applied to each school, how many got in and how many were athletes?
You're probab right. Those kids are going to NH to win championships.
The reason I started this thread is because those parents I spoke with told me of these kids that live right down the road, in their neighborhoods. Which is in Laney district. I have spoken with past coaches at Hoggard who have had kids and parents come to them and voice their desire to play there. The coaches would tell them to contact the county and fill out the paperwork. None of those kids were let in. Some did move and others couldn't do that. Over the past 6-7 years NH has had many more athletes transfer into their school. It's ten fold.
I will also add, I'm not talking about 2-3 kids. I'm talking about a dozen.
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Port, the school board could fix it if they wanted to by filling the school when they prepare the district maps. We all know the outcry that is heard by little Biff's parents when the board suggests sending him to an inner city school. The school board caves to the protests to satisfy the parents and then the parents complain about the transfers.
You may want to check the enrollment numbers. You'd be surprised how many transfers are not athletes. The last numbers I knew had more in the band than played sports. NHHS also has the Lyceum program and it just so happens that some Lyceum students are also athletes.
You stated in your post that you counted 10 NHHS players that live in the Laney district and there were "probably a few" from Ashley and Hoggard. Seems you didn't go to much trouble to find out how many NHHS districted players play for Laney, Hoggard or Ashley. Makes it look like you are just anti NHHS.
You may want to check the enrollment numbers. You'd be surprised how many transfers are not athletes. The last numbers I knew had more in the band than played sports. NHHS also has the Lyceum program and it just so happens that some Lyceum students are also athletes.
You stated in your post that you counted 10 NHHS players that live in the Laney district and there were "probably a few" from Ashley and Hoggard. Seems you didn't go to much trouble to find out how many NHHS districted players play for Laney, Hoggard or Ashley. Makes it look like you are just anti NHHS.
I agree with you about the district problem. You are also right about a lot of students transferring for non athletic reasons. I have no problem with that. I was told that the county would not let kids transfer for athletic reasons. That's what I'm talking about. I will dig at these other schools and see what I find. I would bet there isn't more than a few at each school. It will not be close to 10.
Port,
While you are digging see how many kids move into the district to transfer vs. open choice. Or how many go back to the school they were districted to. There are many ways these numbers can be skewed. This applies to all 4 county schools.
While you are digging see how many kids move into the district to transfer vs. open choice. Or how many go back to the school they were districted to. There are many ways these numbers can be skewed. This applies to all 4 county schools.
I acknowledged that point. If someone wants to work the system then it is on them. That happens everywhere! My point is, the kids transferring to NH don't have to move or show that they have moved. I agree that there are players at Hoggard now and in the past that have transferred. Their app was denied so they moved.
Port, Can you please explain what you mean by "the kids transferring to NH don't have to move or show that they have moved"? That makes no sense.
B&G, do you realize that Forsyth County with our open enrollment only has three large 4A schools? (West, East and Reagan) So our chances of winning a large 4A title is diminished by shear numbers versus Meck County which has numerous large 4A schools. Now with that said I do think we have too many schools in Forsyth County cause many of them are under populated and yet we continue to build!!!
Utbbo1- There are roughly 375K living in Forsyth county and 1 million living in Meck so 63% less. There are 16 4a meck county school I believe. The numbers indicate that Forsyth county would have a mathematical advantage as meck has 80% more 4a schools. obviously it doesn't take a lot of things into account. My only reason for bringing it up is that if open enrollment truly gives a big advantage then Forsyth county should easily win every title. If all the top players in forsyth county played for just one team ( they could if they wanted) then you would have a single team with Slade, Dalton, Easter, Sharpe, Beal etc,etc . In reality most kids play close to home for transportation purposes and these super teams never actual happen. If you were able to combine Vance and Mallard Creek or Butler and indy you would have a unbeatable team which is what Wake County fans argue about every December when there silly team trots onto the field and gets destroyed.
The reality is that these super teams never actually evolve and in some cases when they try they actually hurt the program. Look at Hough which has had multiple legitimate transfers from various schools. Fields, Van Smith, Tucker, Coleman, Fordj, Albritton 3 of which are D1 commits all started their HS careers at a different school. They are one game above .500
The myth of all-star teams is exactly that. A myth.
I agree with you. What it does effect is local football. It makes team A stronger and team B weaker.
B&G, I don't quite understand your mathematical advantage for Forsyth County with 3 schools versus Meck County with 16. Lets say there are 50 large 4A schools in the state, Forsyth has a 3/50 chance versus Meck having a 16/50 chance of winning the title. If you're referring to a greater chance of having a good team I still dont quite get the advantage cause there are 9 other high schools for that 375K. Please dont confuse my arguement with the "where is better football played" arguement cause I think it's Meck Co. But I do think its a little disingenious to say that open enrollment hasnt brought us any 4AA titles.
It appears Port's statement is that students are allowed to transfer into New Hanover HS. A transfer is a student that does not make a permenent change of primary residency into the said school district with their legal guardian. From his posts it appears that the footballers at Hoggard have not been approved for a transfer and been forced to make a permanent change of primary residency. Their parents moved the family into the Hoggard district.
I do not know if that happened but that is the way I interpret his posts and makes sense to why he would have questions.