Nope, that's me! There have been a lot of variations of bshirt on the boards over the last 20 years so I wasn't sure which one you were, lol. I've seen a lot of people disappear only to find out that they just ended up with a different username later on.
Option attack/Spread
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Nope, that's me! There have been a lot of variations of bshirt on the boards over the last 20 years so I wasn't sure which one you were, lol. I've seen a lot of people disappear only to find out that they just ended up with a different username later on.
I didn't mean to dog on solich, I like solich , Im just saying the option didn't seem the same under solich compared to dr tom...maybe because solich was no longer our backs coach teaching the backs how to hold onto the ball? or many other reasons. he's my favorite coach since dr. tom..still evaluating mr frost...
I understand solich had nowhere to go but down and a lot of the great assistant coach were retireing. but we did look bad a bit compared to dr. tom. scholarship limits and other things could also have been at play
Does the program still take a nose dive if Solich never gets fired? I say no, but I think he has Pelini like records until, hypothetically, Frost takes over.
I am of the belief that Scott already knows that eventually, he will have to run something like we used to.
Why?
He personally went through those years, and knows it can be successful.
He also knew this before taking the job, that if push came to shove, it was a backup plan that he could utilize.
Imagine for a moment, you are in his shoes. You know coming back to Nebraska has a lot of expectations, and you know some people are not going to like your new system, but if given some time, it could be successful, and winning cures everything.
If however, things aren't going so great, you have this Ace in your back pocket. You know you have it before even taking the job. You could just do it the old way, as sort of a backup plan.
We are going to see it, and more of it, and people are going to like it, and that is how it's going to just naturally happen.
There won't be any big announcement of system switches or anything like that, it's just going to gradually turn into that, and we have seen just the beginning.
Will it be exactly the same as before? Probably not, but look at all the fan and media enthusiasm garnered from just a few plays already. I think even guys on the team are excited about it.
Why?
He personally went through those years, and knows it can be successful.
He also knew this before taking the job, that if push came to shove, it was a backup plan that he could utilize.
Imagine for a moment, you are in his shoes. You know coming back to Nebraska has a lot of expectations, and you know some people are not going to like your new system, but if given some time, it could be successful, and winning cures everything.
If however, things aren't going so great, you have this Ace in your back pocket. You know you have it before even taking the job. You could just do it the old way, as sort of a backup plan.
We are going to see it, and more of it, and people are going to like it, and that is how it's going to just naturally happen.
There won't be any big announcement of system switches or anything like that, it's just going to gradually turn into that, and we have seen just the beginning.
Will it be exactly the same as before? Probably not, but look at all the fan and media enthusiasm garnered from just a few plays already. I think even guys on the team are excited about it.
From what I remember, that man seemed so nice on TV that I'm not sure a swear word has ever left his mouth haha
My question to you, do you have inside knowledge or was that all opinionated? Just curious because I was a massive fan of it on saturday and there was an immediate change in stadium energy when those FB traps exploded for long runs. Love the spread, but that stuff was awesome.
I should really keep this in a text file to copy/paste for my own convenience.
If you think Frank Solich was a good coach who should have kept the keys to a P5 Blue Blood program, please list all his MAC Conference Championships and times he was hired away from Ohio U by a bigger name program.
How about results on the field.....do they count for anything with you? Btw, how many conference Championships did Clownahan give us? But to give him credit he did show us how NU can get annihilated along with the other big-time losers.
Also, I'm just curious, for all those many years ago when Pedeyshine fired Frank, how many conference Championships has NU won with any of the HCs we've had since then?
I noticed the same change in crowd energy, but my interpretation was slightly different. More like, "Great, now all the "run the damn ball!" people are getting riled up." Swear to god, my mother-in-law still screams at the TV "GIVE IT TO THE FULLBACK!!!" and I'm like, "Deb, there is no fullback, calm down."
Look, I'm basically fine with whatever Frost wants to run. I just know that you can't have your cake and eat it too. You want 4 and 5 star O-linemen, QB's and receivers? Great, me too. But, they're not going to come play option football. They just aren't. It's a great wrinkle and I'm sure Frost sees it as a weapon to use situationally and also to force teams to spend time preparing for it. It's not going to become our identity.
I can't. In all fairness I was about 10 or 11 when he was fired so realistically the only thing that sticks with me about Solich is he took over for Osborne, took us to a natty against Miami and we got spanked. That's really the lasting memory I have of the Solich era. Can't even tell you what happened or what our record was the year he was canned.
I bet you and others your age never get tired of hearing the Solich arguments on this board, huh? Seems like eventually we'd all get over debating ancient history, but I guess not!
hahaha instead of my mother in law, that's just my mom that does that....for both teams....2 points I want to make there. 1. I think the only position they'd struggle to get super elite talent is QB and WR. I think you could get 3-4 star QB/WR recruits but the rest would probably want majority spread offense programs. I believe big time lineman would love that system because of how physical they can be. 2. There's still the obvious passing element that should attract better receivers. Plus, with the new "Duck-R" position, you could have a modern day Bobby Newcomb, basically a Wandale, that is both WR and RB, and is elite.
I like to hear the arguments because sometimes when people get fired up about something, more truth comes out, so I learn new things that maybe weren't really public at the time. I could honestly talk Husker Football all day long, past, present, and future, and not get tired of it.
Getting rid of Solich wasn’t necessarily the wrong thing to do but how they went about it certainly was. They needed to find a coach who could build off of a successful model that was already in place. Instead they had to be the brilliant ones and change everything and here we are with the cirrent mess years later.
So since this is the most responses I've received since being here, I'm going to be bold and ask again, for the people that know, this almighty "Platinum board". Is there anyway possible way a guy like me can see it or somehow get access?
Sorta my whole point, wasn't it? That Frank hasn't had any results on the field in the last 15 years. Other people also sucking doesn't make him a great HC.
What, NU should have sat around being crappy with Frank at the helm instead of at least trying to get good by trying other coaches?
NU backed into that title game. Got smacked @ Colorado 36-62 and didn't even go to the CCG. Then an absolute freak run of teams losing out from in front of us ended up with NU sliding back to #2 and getting into the Rose Bowl. Miami had their way in that game, final was 14-37 and it was really never as close as that score indicated.
Was the beginning of Frank running out of Tom's players and assistants. Also the beginning of a LONG run of not being able to watch a damn broadcast without hearing "This is the first time that (bad thing) has happened to Nebraska since 1963" or something similar.
A 7-7 year wasn't far behind and that was the end of his career at NU. In the years since he's never even won a MAC title.
The Solich debate and whether he should have been fired or not may go down as one of the best debates in Husker history.
But hindsight being 20/20. I in doubt would have rather kept Solich and ride it out and see what would have happened rather than some smuck (Stevie P) single handily implode the foundation of the Husker program.
But hindsight being 20/20. I in doubt would have rather kept Solich and ride it out and see what would have happened rather than some smuck (Stevie P) single handily implode the foundation of the Husker program.
That Miami game was identical to last week's Ohio State game. Miami flat out bull dozed us in the first half. The halftime score was 34-0. But hey, we outscored them in the second half 14-3.
I was just looking at my ticket from that Rose Bowl the other night. It sure did feel about like the OSU game, or any of the other times NU played Miami or FSU in a bowl game and couldn't handle their team speed.
Here's another question, let's assume Frank stays and
What's the Tim Beck stuff?
If Solich wasn't fired at the time I bet he would have been gone a couple years later
Tim Beck does not run anything close to what Scott does. Tim Beck is all about being multiple. His offense is as big as the ocean and as deep as a bowl of cereal.
The offenses are actually distinctly different. RPO was never a part of the old option offense. Our offense under Osborne was actually a true option offense, but not a true triple-option offense, but RPO wasn't a part of it. And neither was the zone read.
Our offense under Osborne was designed to attack the outside or inside, to get the LBs flowing that direction, then to hit them with the opposing package of plays. Isolation plays, FB trap, QB Trap and some counter action. We also ran play-action out of both packages to a large degree.
I think one of the main staples of our offense was for our OLine to go one on one againsttheir assigned DLineman on the play, as opposed to zone blocking. I think we did utilize zone blocking concepts more later in the TO regime, but I think it always remained an offense where the OLine was responsible for mauling the guy across from him, and to use double tight TEs and the FB to attack the LBs. I don't believe those sort of blocking concepts would work as well today with the parity in Strength and Conditioning.
The closest thing to an offense that uses both the spread and power formations was Oklahoma under Bob Stoops. They went under center a fair amount when they had some of the dynamic RBs they had in their backfield, but would also spread out the defense and utilize spread sets in their passing game, as well as single back sets with zone blocking. But I'm pretty sure they never used the option. If so, it was more so a mock option, where the QB would get rid of the ball early intentionally.
Our offense under Osborne was designed to attack the outside or inside, to get the LBs flowing that direction, then to hit them with the opposing package of plays. Isolation plays, FB trap, QB Trap and some counter action. We also ran play-action out of both packages to a large degree.
I think one of the main staples of our offense was for our OLine to go one on one againsttheir assigned DLineman on the play, as opposed to zone blocking. I think we did utilize zone blocking concepts more later in the TO regime, but I think it always remained an offense where the OLine was responsible for mauling the guy across from him, and to use double tight TEs and the FB to attack the LBs. I don't believe those sort of blocking concepts would work as well today with the parity in Strength and Conditioning.
The closest thing to an offense that uses both the spread and power formations was Oklahoma under Bob Stoops. They went under center a fair amount when they had some of the dynamic RBs they had in their backfield, but would also spread out the defense and utilize spread sets in their passing game, as well as single back sets with zone blocking. But I'm pretty sure they never used the option. If so, it was more so a mock option, where the QB would get rid of the ball early intentionally.
The best at the pitch we ever had was Turner Gill and they were absolutely a thing of beauty when he did it and always perfectly timed! Turner Gill, the pitch master! Why do you think Frost was as good as he was at it? It's because he was mentored by the master and in my opinion the 2nd best at it was Steve Taylor and then Frost.
Well, it's just an opinion. TG was great to be sure! But Frost was the best at that I've ever seen. Believe what you wish....that's fine!
Only thing I will disagree with there is the blocking concepts associated with the S&C. From what I've learned, and what I know, the cool thing about Husker Power back in the day was not only were we bigger and stronger than everyone else, but we could do that for a full 60 minutes, the Miami game in 94 was a perfect example of that. So, even now, doesn't matter how big and strong you are, if you can't defend for a full 60 minutes, and we're conditioned enough at that level in a few years, and we're still able to maul defensive lines in the 4th quarter, say in a few years, then it won't matter. We'll win. Assuming the offense is humming in a few years like it should be.
None of this matters until we gain control of the LOS. Our OL is years away. Just want to see SF begin implementing his offensive vision now, and forming the identity that we can market.
gill got 4 concusions being the best to pitch a ball..he hanged onto it till the last second...then bam, to rozier...
Martinez 1&2 telegraphs pitches, so basicly kim jong knows it's a pitch.
but to Martinez credit he wasn't carted off the field like Armstrong, so he did something right.
Martinez 1&2 telegraphs pitches, so basicly kim jong knows it's a pitch.
but to Martinez credit he wasn't carted off the field like Armstrong, so he did something right.