Oregon program helps teachers undo 'racism in mathematics'

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100% agree. Several years ago we hosted a teenager from Austria for several weeks. The educational system in Austria seemed like a much better system than what the US has. Around about 4th grade, kids are put on two different paths: one geared towards professional college degrees (accounting, engineering, medicine, sciences, etc.) and one is geared towards practical careers (plumbers, electricians, carpenters, welders, Xray techs, etc.). You can switch paths so your child is not 'stuck'. But, there is NO stigma for either path and each path is rigorous in its own way. Practical careers also include an internship/mentorship.

US community colleges do a pretty good job but even there they are geared as much towards getting students ready to go to a 4-year college rather than getting a dental assistant designation or nurses assistant or certified welder, etc. I'm actually OK with 'free' community college IF they are geared towards giving students skills that are marketable with the goal of gainful employment. If a kid graduates from HS and needs 2 semesters of remedial math at the community college level to 'qualify' for 4-year university, perhaps that kid should get practical skills and an internship. Why struggle to get a general studies degree with a mediocre GPA at a 4-yr university vs skills that are marketable and employable?
Now that I am out of the field I went to undergrad for and did a graduate assistantship position in (I tried to get out of the school part of being a GA but they wouldn't allow it) and have no interest in ever going back into full-time because I got burnt out on it, I sometimes wonder in hindsight if I should have gone the trade route instead. Now I'm working full-time and don't really have the energy to take the classes I'd need to take to get into some kind of trade.
 

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Those damned Summerians and Greeks! The Muslim scholars! All of them so racist!

So its bad enough they can't handle the math work, they're apparently woefully ignorant of history too. Bravo.
 
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I read part of this, I'll have to say this is a masterpiece of word salad, I honestly could not grasp any concept or point that was being advanced.

I have a better idea, rather trying to turn K12 match teachers into sociology PhDs, why don't we, as a country, as a state and as a local school board do everything we can to make sure every kid in America has a good quality, safe school to attend? I think teachers, students and parents would welcome any progress we could make there.

That is not possible without quality, safe homes.

They’re public schools. They will always look like the public, no matter how much is spent. We spend more than ever on education with ever diminishing results.

And now comes the notion that dumbing it down will create equality?
 

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I don’t agree with you very often, but damn it you knocked this one out of the park. I couldn’t agree more.
The funny thing is that left and right agree on most stuff. The problem is that radicals are attracted to specific messaging, and those vocal radicals demand you pick a side. Then, you pick the least crappy option. The truth is that we are living through a period in which dark forces are, in my opinion, attempting to permanently change the U.S. into something far different than it was intended to be, at its best. Very powerful people *tinfoil hat alert* have decided that if they pump money into radical voices, they can create enough political division and apathy to keep people from voting in unity to stop their global corporate state BS.
Instead of assuming the other guy in an online argument is a bad person, realize they have had different life experiences and they are fed the same partisan BS that you are. They just get it from somewhere else.
This is an opportunity for us to unify, and though it seems unlikely, I see signs of it frequently. This is the Great Awakening of America.
 

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I kid you not.

Evidently, finding the right answer is a white supremacy construct as is 'showing your work'. A direct quote from the materials:

"The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally false, and teaching it is even much less so," the document for the "Equitable Math" toolkit reads. "Upholding the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open conflict." Also, the workbook instructs teachers to "identify and challenge the ways that math is used to uphold capitalist, imperialist, and racist views."

I've seen a load of horsesh*t in my time but, dang if this might be stupidest thing I've come across. Last time I looked 2+2=4 is, in fact, purely objective and has nothing to do with race. I guess if a minority kid comes up with 2+2=5 it's because of racism.

Where does this nonsense stop? Do the idiots promoting this nonsense actually believe what they're saying or is it just a method of gaining power and/or notoriety?
I read this story a couple of days ago. Just when you think they can’t say or do anything as dumb as the last, they lower the bar on absolute stupidity. These are the people runNing our educational system. It’s a perfect reason why so many think making change at a cash register is as complicated as integral calculus. The dumbing down of America continues. I guess 2+2=5 is no longer wrong as long as you belong to a certain race. LOL. This should outrage everyone.
 
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I remember when other countries would send their educators over to the USA to see how it was done. This was back when the USA had the best school K-12 systems in the world. Not so much now is it? The USA needs to go visit other countries to see what THEY'RE doing. Other countries have caught up, and left the USA in the rear view mirror.
It’s solely due to politics, unfortunately. Libs ruin everything and the educational system is 100% operated by them.
 

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I can’t think of anything more insulting to non- white people than this. Calling you a name is one thing but saying you can’t do math do because you’re not white is so awful that a Nazi or klansman would embrace it. All the non-white mathematicians around the world are going to be shocked at their internalized racism.
Yeah, I guess this means Asians are the most racist people on the planet. Who knew!
 
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What will be allowed to be taught in schools?

Iirc the new national head of education is a big crt proponent. So it's coming. Actually I think it's already been lightly taught in ky thanks to andy

racist...but of course we have to ignore that when another race, like Asians, excel at it...then of course that discrimination is acceptable

Exactly. Asians and indians always have to be left out of any discussion about racism because it shows how much nonsense stuff like this really is.

In truth it's the highest form of racism - to think a particular race can't succeed without help from white people
 
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This is the type of stuff that Ricky Jones (UofL Marxist African American studies professor) says hurts the cause of ending racism. People zoom past real systemic racism (disproportionate application of drug laws, police violence, job discrimination, education resource allocation etc) and turn to something as stupid as “math is racist”.

Now people who don’t pay very close attention to this stuff will think that this is what people are talking about when they mention racism in the 21st century.

I feel sorry for the people who felt the need to have workshop on this. Imagine if they out that energy into police training or education inequality?
 

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Admittedly I didn’t read the article and I don’t care how people find the correct math answers. I’m worried with more people becoming dependent on the government that the wealthy will get wealthier and the poor poorer.
Or....everybody gets dumber and poorer.
 

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Admittedly I didn’t read the article and I don’t care how people find the correct math answers. I’m worried with more people becoming dependent on the government that the wealthy will get wealthier and the poor poorer.
Or....everybody gets dumber and poorer.
I read through the tool kit. It’s more of a guide for teachers to incorporate different styles of learning math and being held accountable for how good they teach. The kids wouldn’t be hurt by learning different approaches to solving math problems.

The problem is it’s so focused on antiracism and white supremacy to the extent that it pretty much implies a teacher is racist or a white supremacist if they don’t follow the guidelines... which is ridiculous.

You can teach math in different ways without bringing race into it. Just because a Latino kid is failing math doesn’t mean we need to figure out why the way we are teaching math is racist or a proponent of white supremacy.

There are tons of factors for each individual’s life that contribute to their education. Most kids that struggle come from broken homes; single parent, drug using parents, alcoholic parents, or parents that just simply don’t care about their child’s education. Today we have more technology than ever and kids are overwhelmed and distracted by it. Buying your child an iPhone and letting them carry it at school is ridiculous IMO. It’s harder for them to stay focused because they have a constant line to the world outside of the classroom. Then of course there are bad school districts with bad teachers who just don’t care. I think majority of teachers do care and try their best... but some kids are going to end up in a bad school or with a poor educator... and those poor educators are protected by teacher’s unions and tenure.

I think about all of the factors above before a student’s race ever crosses my mind.
 

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Yeah, I guess this means Asians are the most racist people on the planet. Who knew!
Me actually, ever hang around those from Japan and those from Korea? I have a lot and they don't like each other much. I have been around martial arts training and tournaments and have seen how these people treat each other. Surprising at first.
 

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Me actually, ever hang around those from Japan and those from Korea? I have a lot and they don't like each other much. I have been around martial arts training and tournaments and have seen how these people treat each other. Surprising at first.
I know they don’t like each other, but that goes back to WW II and how the Japanese treated pretty much everyone. What I was referring to was the nonsense regarding math and the fact that Asians in general excel at math. A joke.
 
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Nothing is racist anymore. If everything is racist then nothing is racist. Meaning, if you find racism in everything then, everything is equal therefore eliminating racism.
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I know they don’t like each other, but that goes back to WW II and how the Japanese treated pretty much everyone. What I was referring to was the nonsense regarding math and the fact that Asians in general excel at math. A joke.
I believe it goes back much, much further than WWII.

In 1592 and 1598, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who had unified Japan, ordered daimyōs (feudal lords) all over the nation to the conquest of Ming Dynasty China by way of Korea, after the latter's refusal to allow Japanese forces to march through, while King Seonjo alerted its Chinese counterpart regarding the Japanese threat. Japan completed the occupation of the Korean peninsula in three months. The Korean king Seonjo first relocated to Pyongyang, then Uiju. In 1593, The Ming Chinese emperor intervened by sending his army and recaptured the Korean peninsula. However, the Japanese military were able to gather in Seoul and successfully counterattacked China. Although during the war Korean land forces lost most of their land battles (with only a handful of notable exceptions), the Korean Navy won almost all the naval battles with decisive defeats of the Japanese fleet by Admiral Yi Sun-sin, cutting off Japanese supply lines and helping to stall the invading forces on the Korean peninsula. Amid the stagnation of the battle between the Ming army and the Japanese army, Hideyoshi died in September 1598. The Council of Five Elders ordered the remaining Japanese forces in Korea to retreat.
 

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Those people should be put on the next shuttle to the international space station with the course plotted by one of the people that think math is racist.
No kidding.
How many people would want to fly on a plane that one of these future Math greats designs? Or one of them that is doing the math on how much fuel needs to be on an aircraft and then having to factor in headwinds or crosswinds and delays and weight loaded on?
But hey, it looks like Oregon thinks that's racists thinking.
 

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For the guy who asked people to read that BS, are you serious? It talks about dismantling white supremacy in the classroom. Just reading that made me angry. Who decided that white supremacy is responsible for minorities struggling with math? Shouldn’t we have more than just a few radical educators decide to use “antiracism” as a math education tool for any one of them to use it?

Seems like something as incendiary as critical race theory should have to be approved by Congress and thoroughly reviewed by the Dept of Education before a single American classroom is host to that Marxist horse crap. Won’t last long-a group of rich parents out west of in NYC will sue and the Supreme Court will declare it unconstitutional (not sure exactly how, but I feel that Americans should have some say in what children are taught; I’m sure it’s in there somewhere).
 

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For the guy who asked people to read that BS, are you serious? It talks about dismantling white supremacy in the classroom. Just reading that made me angry. Who decided that white supremacy is responsible for minorities struggling with math? Shouldn’t we have more than just a few radical educators decide to use “antiracism” as a math education tool for any one of them to use it?

Seems like something as incendiary as critical race theory should have to be approved by Congress and thoroughly reviewed by the Dept of Education before a single American classroom is host to that Marxist horse crap. Won’t last long-a group of rich parents out west of in NYC will sue and the Supreme Court will declare it unconstitutional (not sure exactly how, but I feel that Americans should have some say in what children are taught; I’m sure it’s in there somewhere).
 

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I know they don’t like each other, but that goes back to WW II and how the Japanese treated pretty much everyone. What I was referring to was the nonsense regarding math and the fact that Asians in general excel at math. A joke.
Yeah, I know, I was making more of another point regarding racism and or hate. People in this country seem to think this country is racist when in fact we really are not. Not compared to many other countries in this world. Sure, we have racist elements but, we have come along way and were getting better and were really rather good but, certain elements want to keep this country divided and it is not the ones the media and the left have been purporting.
 

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Yeah, I know, I was making more of another point regarding racism and or hate. People in this country seem to think this country is racist when in fact we really are not. Not compared to many other countries in this world. Sure, we have racist elements but, we have come along way and were getting better and were really rather good but, certain elements want to keep this country divided and it is not the ones the media and the left have been purporting.
It has been 50 years since I have been to Japan, but at that time they had bars, restaurants and other establishments that had a goverment authorized notification that only people who were 100% Japanese were allowed into the facility. I assume they had some form of Japanese ID that was required.
 

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The funny thing is that left and right agree on most stuff. The problem is that radicals are attracted to specific messaging, and those vocal radicals demand you pick a side. Then, you pick the least crappy option. The truth is that we are living through a period in which dark forces are, in my opinion, attempting to permanently change the U.S. into something far different than it was intended to be, at its best. Very powerful people *tinfoil hat alert* have decided that if they pump money into radical voices, they can create enough political division and apathy to keep people from voting in unity to stop their global corporate state BS.
Instead of assuming the other guy in an online argument is a bad person, realize they have had different life experiences and they are fed the same partisan BS that you are. They just get it from somewhere else.
This is an opportunity for us to unify, and though it seems unlikely, I see signs of it frequently. This is the Great Awakening of America.
I absolutely agree with you. very deep thoughts that respond within me. An excellent program that will really help eliminate or at least minimize the problem. As for mathematics, I just adore this subject, as I love all the exact sciences, including chemistry and physics. I love solving various math problems. If I have any difficulties or I need to understand how the problems are solved, by what methods I turn to the site https://plainmath.net/ where I find very detailed information on mathematics and various tasks.
 
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