Oregon, Washington to Big Ten!
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Despite Not Wanting to Be Associated With Rutgers, University of Washington and Oregon Agree to Join Big Ten
I’d venture to guess a new ESPN media deal will be next.
While it really stinks seeing a legendary league dissolved, great for the big ten!
While it really stinks seeing a legendary league dissolved, great for the big ten!
How about a conference wide Nike agreement as well now that Oregon is on board
Saw a Yahoo Sports story on this too. ASU and Utah might follow Arizona to the Big 12. Tough times ahead for OSU, WSU, Cal, and Stanford.
Someone needs to check in on Bill Walton.
Someone needs to check in on Bill Walton.
Not sure how any of these individual schools could come up with any other conclusion, assuming they have the ability to move.
have to assume this leads to Arizona, ASU and Utah to the Big 12 and the demise of the Pac 12. Assume that may lead to action in the ACC, as they are only being left further behind now.
This what I said in the other thread, Fox is in the background and they want them and a national conference so they will push for it and probably pay for it somewhat too.
I haven’t looked yet but for this news to break first before any ASU Arizona Utah news means Fox is pushing it, PAC survival be damned. Plus they own a piece of the B12 anyway
I haven’t looked yet but for this news to break first before any ASU Arizona Utah news means Fox is pushing it, PAC survival be damned. Plus they own a piece of the B12 anyway
Yup no definitive news on Corner Schools so this is Fox pushing from behind for this to be the first news break. I’m sure whomever can jump now will.
Assuming another two schools move to the Big Ten (at least), then what does all this mean for RU in terms of our share of TV money? I don't follow all this stuff, but I don't really see how these moves for conference expansion will benefit RU, at least financially.
Does Oregon and Washington bring in enough media income to pay themselves or is everyone going to take a pay cut to bring them in?
Do they have to buy in for the B10 Network? Don’t think they should get full share upfront
I read that they were being offered $35-40 million per year with the option to take advances against future payouts. Basically the same deal that RU got.
Also wonder if the FSU private equity money news pushed things as well. Fox might be salivating at that ideas as well as part of the national conference vision.
TV money stays the same....millions more per year in travel.
Weird that they took USC and UCLA, one private, one public...form the Los Angeles market but not Cal or Stanford from the San Fran/Oakland market.
agreed... Bringing the B1G viewing audience to Pacific viewing time will increase their viewership compared to the past when other went to sleep. I believe they will pony up some more dough for this. Probably see a ton of B1G "triple/Quadruple" game day promotions... All Day B1G !!!
Big ten football 12pm to 12am every Saturday
Totally understand the travel part, but I'm confused as to how the team share amounts work. I'm almost entirely ignorant of the process, of how all this works.
If the TV networks agreed to value the 14 current school's TV broadcast at $1400, and the 14 current teams split that into 14 equal shares, then they are promised $100 each. Easy.
But if we add 4 schools, whose broadcast value to the networks is as yet undetermined, then how can the Big Ten be certain the networks will agree to pay out $100 per school? I would think different schools bring different amounts of TV dollars to the equation.
I understand that incoming schools will not earn a full share at first. But still, the Big Ten seems to be agreeing to a per school share prior to having determined what the networks will pay us for them. Seems unlikely to be something the Big Ten and networks could've worked out in advance of knowing which schools would be added, no?
Could be ESPN or Amazon and maybe Apple but I don't think the B10 will like their subscription model.
I've always said opening up a new package is part of how you can finance this. If you have a Sat after dark or Friday night window that can be attractive enough to get some money which will finance the additions. Really outside of OSU, Michigan, PSU no one would be exempt from being in those windows 1 or 2 times in a season and that's still an attractive group of schools.
You're also moving into new markets of Washington and Oregon which should help BTN carriage fees there a bit.
Showing interest…lol. They will sacrifice their first born to get the hell out of the pac..whatever.
I tried to tell @Ridge 22 that these teams needed to act fast and not hang onto some false hope of staying in a dying PAC-12 conference, but he would not listen!
Ridge- you know that is pure saracasm. I will take my extra-large helping of crow with ketchup, please.
This is what you risk when you have leverage and choose not to use it. Obviously they didn't learn the lesson of inaction after the B12 was wounded when Texas/OU left.I tried to tell @Ridge 22 that these teams needed to act fast and not hang onto some false hope of staying in a dying PAC-12 conference, but he would not listen!
Ridge- you know that is pure saracasm. I will take my extra-large helping of crow with ketchup, please.
I saw Wilner bring up "presidential stasis" as an issue and it's so true. These aren't business people and frankly many commishes aren't either so I don't think they always can play things out and fully understand the risk of inaction at times.
Ha. I was just coming at it from the perspective of the schools themselves. Moving was the only logical option if available. The backtracking this morning just didn't make sense to me. I expect things to move very fast from hereI tried to tell @Ridge 22 that these teams needed to act fast and not hang onto some false hope of staying in a dying PAC-12 conference, but he would not listen!
Ridge- you know that is pure saracasm. I will take my extra-large helping of crow with ketchup, please.
I'm a loyal sap at heart, and maybe I should have thought more with my head than my heart. I'm still a little troubled that this is like rapid cash grab by the PAC12 schools jumping ship, but I'll get over it. Once we retire, it will be fun to plan trips to games on the West Coast. While not likely, would love the Arizona schools to be in the fold. We spend a lot of time in Arizona.
USC is college football royalty. UCLA is College basketball Royalty. The other two schools. Not even close.
Well I mentioned before there are ways it can be financed to some degree.
First you have 3 networks carrying the load not just 1 like ESPN for the SEC and ACC. Second you can open up new packages like Sat after dark/Friday night which can be attractive to ESPN or Amazon or Turner (maybe Apple, I think they're less likely) and would cost less for a network to buy compared to the main package. Third the teams will be coming in on a reduced share. Fourth you're entering new markets which can enhance the carriage fees in those markets.
So between those 4 things, you have chance to finance new teams especially when they're taking a reduced cut. If by some chance you get to 20, (maybe FSU with that PE news and someone else) then you can create conference semifinals as well for 2 more valuable games to sell.
I don't think the finer details are hashed out this quickly but I think on some broad level they must have an idea of what they can get and what the media companies will pay.
EDIT: Also don't forget the new commish is a TV guy, so you'd think he'd have the pulse of what's possible at least in a big picture sense
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Any schedule breaks for us or will we drop some current B10 west team for Oregon or Washington lol. New schedule will have to be done now but I think they will stick with that flex schedule if they stay at 18.
BTW: don't forget in that FSU BOT meeting this week many of them kept talking about FSU being national over and over...only one national conference, wink wink lol
BTW: don't forget in that FSU BOT meeting this week many of them kept talking about FSU being national over and over...only one national conference, wink wink lol
The media partners are driving this, everyone knows what the numbers look like.
Good bye all FCS games
4 20 team conferences
4 divisions in each conf
Mini playoff for division winners
Winner of 4 conf champ go to championship final 4 games usual rose bowl, sugar bowl ect ect
4 20 team conferences
4 divisions in each conf
Mini playoff for division winners
Winner of 4 conf champ go to championship final 4 games usual rose bowl, sugar bowl ect ect
These schools aren't bringing in $75 million per year in value! That's why its falling apart because nobody is paying them over their current deal. Teams were making just $20 mill each.
because the B1G knows their value. This whole thing is being pushed by Fox, if the B1G didn't have their blessing/direction this wouldn't be happening. There is zero benefit to the B1G adding these two schools.