I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that both were disasters. In hindsight, would you have rather had to suffer a few years with Orgeron or Croom as head coach. Orgeron made us the laughing stock of the SEC and the country. Any press we got was usually being the butt of a joke because of him. He was a terrible on the field coach but he could recruit, although we will have some APR issues in the future because of all of the academic casualties he brought in. Croom on the other hand was a media darling. He got MSU tons of positive press. He was also a terrible on the field coach and didn't recruit well. He did put together a liberty bowl season though. So if you had to do it all over again (let's hope neither school does) would you rather have Orgeron or Croom? For the sake of discussion, we will limit both of their tenures to 3 years.</p>
Orgeron or Croom.....
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I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that both were disasters. In hindsight, would you have rather had to suffer a few years with Orgeron or Croom as head coach. Orgeron made us the laughing stock of the SEC and the country. Any press we got was usually being the butt of a joke because of him. He was a terrible on the field coach but he could recruit, although we will have some APR issues in the future because of all of the academic casualties he brought in. Croom on the other hand was a media darling. He got MSU tons of positive press. He was also a terrible on the field coach and didn't recruit well. He did put together a liberty bowl season though. So if you had to do it all over again (let's hope neither school does) would you rather have Orgeron or Croom? For the sake of discussion, we will limit both of their tenures to 3 years.</p>
title because of him. It shouldn't even be a discussion. If not for the color of Croom's skin, his tenure would be considered a disaster by the media. When Croom got fired, the media never said he didn't get a fair shot...but they also didn't report about how ****** of a job he did. Punting at Georgia, the Maine...I will never forget those experiences as a student.
of course, we won't know for sure until after this year is over, but at least O left nfl draft picks in his wake. Croom has left a pile of **** for us to work with and I doubt anyone gets drafted.
Seriously, I think I would take a shot to the nuts before having either of them as our head coach (aGAIN).
due to O's recruits? If we hired Nutt after 3 years of Croom, you think he could have taken us the Cotton Bowl? Hell, I would take three years of O and one year of Nutt. Then rinse and repeat. We would be a lot better off than we have been in the past eight years.
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We were coming off of a bowl game with Croom, with wins over Ole Miss, Bama, and Auburn, as well as a pretty good UK team. O had done nothing in three years, and I guess beating Croom was arguably his biggest SEC victory at home. No one knew at this point last year that Ole Miss would go to the Cotton Bowl and beat Florida and LSU.
can I take Croom's last three years?
I'd have to take O. He got the players in, they just needed someone that knew what they were doing. And that's what happened.
I'd have to take O. He got the players in, they just needed someone that knew what they were doing. And that's what happened.
The ogre could recruit, he just had no idea what to do with it. Croom on the other hand was completly clueless about everything. Ellis Johnson was the man responsible for orchestrating our 2007 success.
The only thing that I can honestly say that Croom did for MSU was bring undeserved positive press. Woopty-(17)ing-doo. While a nice breath of fresh air, this positive press did absolutely nothing for recruiting or more importantly, winning ball games. In the end, at the completion of Croom's ******** tenure, the team was easily 3 years aways from being very competitive.
Orgeron, on the other hand, may have in fact been an idiot but the man recruited his *** off and left Ole Miss in great shape. Nutt reaped the benefits almost immediately and has a team that is set up to be very good for years to come.
Orgeron, on the other hand, may have in fact been an idiot but the man recruited his *** off and left Ole Miss in great shape. Nutt reaped the benefits almost immediately and has a team that is set up to be very good for years to come.
come back to bite us in the ***. I told my wife after the game that this means we have Croom for three more years. Thankfully, I was wrong and it is because of Gregory Byrne. If LT was still here, Croom would still be here and every State fan on the planet would be pissed over that come back win over Ole Miss. I can't imagine how bad of shape we would be. We would have Russell coming in with LITERALLY no receivers to throw to.
If the option was alternating Orgeron and Nutt years, yeah I'd take that over the charlie foxtrot known as Croom.
...If not for O, Mississippi would not have Nutt now.
If not for Croom, MSU would not have Mullen now.
Of course, Nutt is the clear winner over Mullen so far, because Nutt has already won.
But Mullen (with Croom's help) brought in a helluva recruiting class & got 30,000 MSU fans to show up for a spring game. And from what I saw via watching the spring game, the MSU football team has already improved (even though the talent level is still Croomesque).
So if you want to look at what their ****** tenures as coaches wrought in the final analysis, both Croom & O are directly responsible for OM & MSU hiring replacements that are far superior to them.
If not for Croom, MSU would not have Mullen now.
Of course, Nutt is the clear winner over Mullen so far, because Nutt has already won.
But Mullen (with Croom's help) brought in a helluva recruiting class & got 30,000 MSU fans to show up for a spring game. And from what I saw via watching the spring game, the MSU football team has already improved (even though the talent level is still Croomesque).
So if you want to look at what their ****** tenures as coaches wrought in the final analysis, both Croom & O are directly responsible for OM & MSU hiring replacements that are far superior to them.