OSU now requires all Students/Staff to be Vaxxed!

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A life saving vaccine is neither left, nor right.
Fwiw, I'm a life long R.

Agree with Rockford and Manhattan Cat, this is a very good thing for society as a whole.

And those of us who attended public schools, mandatory vaccinations are a normal thing. And the military.
 

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Leftists are going to leftist...if this doesn't concern you then you don't realize that ideaolouges will do this with any other issue they deem critical to "health and safety" i.e. climate change.
Well, apparently mask bans weren’t the most effective strategy. Magiving action a chance versus inaction maybe makes sense.

maybe it’s not a leftist thing, but a common sense thing…

Ive never had polio…vaccine likely had something to do with it…

If someone says they are against masks and vaccines, seems like they are rooting for the virus…
 

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Well, apparently mask bans weren’t the most effective strategy. Making giving action a chance versus inaction maybe makes sense.

maybe it’s not a leftist thing, but a common sense thing…

Ive never had polio…vaccine likely had something to do with it…
Oregon and Hawaii are drowning in Covid despite the strictest vaccine and masking mandates in the country. It's pure hubris to think you can control this virus via government mandate.
 

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Oregon and Hawaii are drowning in Covid despite the strictest vaccine and masking mandates in the country. It's pure hubris to think you can control this virus via government mandate.
So your solution is to ignore any opportunity to control it, and surrender?

how did we beat polio? Strange…

and the anti-government folks in Oregon ignore masks…and all laws in general.

agree the government mandate doesn’t mean success…requires people to think and follow.

Kinda like how people are still killed by speeders…can’t blame the government…they posted a speed limit…
 

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Oregon and Hawaii are drowning in Covid despite the strictest vaccine and masking mandates in the country. It's pure hubris to think you can control this virus via government mandate.
Most of the bad cases of covid i.e hospitalizations here in hawaii are from non vaccinated people. It’s something like 90%. Yes you can still get it with the vaccine but chances are it won’t be nearly as bad as it would without.
 

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The vaccines do help control the virus.
And if they were far more widespread, would do even more.

Repeating from another thread:
90% of the hospitalized covid patients at Norton in Louisville are unvaxxed.
Their average age is 50.

10% is vaxxed. Their average age is 80.

Pretty big difference, right?
 
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Per whas article from today:
Norton currently has 197 covid-19 patients, 179 of whom are not vaccinated. The average age of unvaccinated patients is 53, while the average vaccinated patient is 74.

Baptist health has 16 patients in critical care unit, the vast majority are in their 40's, 50's & 60's.

UofL reports having 144 covid patients, only 7 are vaccinated.

Baptist and UofL have both pushed back some elective procedures.
 

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Leftists are going to leftist...if this doesn't concern you then you don't realize that ideologues will use a precedent like this to enforce any other mandates they deem critical to "health and safety" i.e. climate change.
When did we become a society that refuses to believe in science when it tells us things that we don’t like to hear?
 

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It won’t be a super popular opinion on this board, judging by the 2 laughing reacts to your post, but I absolutely agree with you.
I agree with this but when I added my like to the post the laughing imojo? appeared next to it, and there was only one compared to a lot of posts. Isn't this misleading?
 

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I agree with this but when I added my like to the post the laughing imojo? appeared next to it, and there was only one compared to a lot of posts. Isn't this misleading?
Don’t take this offensively, but I literally don’t know what you’re trying to say.
 
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When did we become a society that refuses to believe in science when it tells us things that we don’t like to hear?
The moment high speed internet was available to the masses. The sharing of misinformation has become a pandemic in itself. I do know that the uncertainty of the virus and its ability to mutate and change so quickly has made it hard for both science and the public to keep up with.
 

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Leftists are going to leftist...if this doesn't concern you then you don't realize that ideologues will use a precedent like this to enforce any other mandates they deem critical to "health and safety" i.e. climate change.
Fourteen likes to the original post, five likes for this one. Do we live in a democracy or does the minority rule, like they did the Presidential election?

How many people have died from the shots and how many lives have been saved? Of course we will never know the latter number. What do the experts say? If you are helping the virus to stay around how many lives are you endangering, even if they are old and feeble?

How did Kiffin get all his players vaccinated and how many died, I haven't even heard of any downsides to his decree. Why did Georgia's coach say on the SEC channel last night one of his big jobs was to get his players vaccinated?

Where would we be now if all the dummies in the world had their way? Where would we be if our leaders hadn't tried to get everyone vaccinated. Don't you owe it to your fellow man to try to keep them from possibly dying, and how much risk does a young healthy athlete really take with the shot?

That is all, now time for some of you to show your ignorance or refusal to accept the facts.
 

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It’s pretty comical at this point regarding the extreme these schools are going to considering the virus has very little to no effect whatsoever on primed college athletes
You have a lot of intelligent posts on sports, your stand on this is just stupid, IMO, and it seems like almost all of the experts agree. Yes, and even less effect 0f the shot on the young and healthy. Of course not taking the shot may endanger all your teammates (and fans) from having the great season we are all looking forward to. If people had listened to your kind of logic (illogic?) the virus would have wiped out a lot of people, not even considering the effect smallpox and Aids would have had. And have you ever heard of the flu shot?



What do I know, just what I read from experts (where is your medical degree from) and I tend to believe them more than some fraidy cats.

Where do you think the world would be without the vaccines?
 
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Yes, and also even less effect on those that take the shot. Of course not taking the shot may endanger all your teammates from having a great season.

What do I know, just what I read from experts (where is your medical degree from) and I tend to believe them more than some fraidy cats.

Where do you think the world would be without the vaccines?
Ah yes. Hence why they’re coming out with booster number 3 because people are starting to get some cold symptoms.

I’m a huge believer in herd immunity. People are going to die either way whether it’s from Covid or other circumstances. I think we would be much better off if we would have isolated the much higher risk people while others continued about their lives. At this point, they’re diluting our own body’s antibodies as opposed to letting them adapt themselves.

The common flu is a perfect example. Some people get the flu shot, others don’t (I don’t). I haven’t had the flu in over 15 years.

At some point you have to let your body do what it’s naturally designed to do and fight off viruses and bacteria.
 

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You are going to die. It's just a matter of when.

Freedom within a society to act unencumbered by the interference of third parties or the State.

Jennings B. Autonomy. In: Steinbock B, editor. The Oxford Handbook of Bioethics. Oxford: 2007.

Griffin J. On Human Rights. Oxford: 2008.
 

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When math and numbers prove science to be ineffective.
Where is your proof, a few isolated cases compared to the lives saved by the vaccine? And please, don't tell me you think all the money and time spent on the vaccine was wasted.

Stupid doctors, wasted all that time going to medical school when they could have just called you.
 
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Ah yes. Hence why they’re coming out with booster number 3 because people are starting to get some cold symptoms.

I’m a huge believer in herd immunity. People are going to die either way whether it’s from Covid or other circumstances. I think we would be much better off if we would have isolated the much higher risk people while others continued about their lives. At this point, they’re diluting our own body’s antibodies as opposed to letting them adapt themselves.

The common flu is a perfect example. Some people get the flu shot, others don’t (I don’t). I haven’t had the flu in over 15 years.

At some point you have to let your body do what it’s naturally designed to do and fight off viruses and bacteria.
Exactly.
 
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A lot of people will start getting the Pfizer vaccine now that it’s FDA approved and when Moderna gets approved even more people will get it.
 
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It’s pretty comical at this point regarding the extreme these schools are going to considering the virus has very little to no effect whatsoever on primed college athletes
Delta variant has changed that equation. It’s killing young kids now.
 

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You are going to die. It's just a matter of when.

Freedom within a society to act unencumbered by the interference of third parties or the State.

Jennings B. Autonomy. In: Steinbock B, editor. The Oxford Handbook of Bioethics. Oxford: 2007.

Griffin J. On Human Rights. Oxford: 2008.
Right. But at what point is 1 person’s “freedom” more important than controlling the spread of a virus that has killed millions across the globe?

In my humble opinion, public health and controlling the spread of, and hopefully eradicating, this virus is waaaay more important than 1 person’s freedom to risk dying from the virus (and clogging our hospitals while they’re at it).
 

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By the way, I am vaccinated and I would encourage everyone to get the shot as well. I just believe that people can think the vaccine is a good idea without advocating for governments and organizations to mandate it or else calling for the healthy to be quarantined. It is a terrible precedent to set.
Ideally all people would voluntarily get the vaccine. But we are in America, where for whatever reason, that’s not the case.

Thus, we have to rely on pockets of private industry, public entities, sporting teams, and universities to mandate it.
 
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By the way, I am vaccinated and I would encourage everyone to get the shot as well. I just believe that people can think the vaccine is a good idea without advocating for governments and organizations to mandate it or else calling for the healthy to be quarantined. It is a terrible precedent to set.
That precedent was set a long time ago.

there is nothing new here.

vaccines have been mandated many, many times.

heard the same conspiracy theories in the 90s when the military mandated Anthrax vaccine.

I knew hundreds of guys who got it and not 1 single issue. But people started by saying it was the government trying out mind control experiments, then it was to make us more compliant, then it was a micro tracking device, then it became a freedom issue…

Honest question, and not trolling, but an honest question. If Trump had won the election, what percent of these “anti vaccers” would have gotten the vaccine, gotten a V tattoo, and would be carrying a “got my Trump vaccine” vaccine passport that they would show to everyone they meet? I’d say 75%.
 

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So your solution is to ignore any opportunity to control it, and surrender?

how did we beat polio? Strange…

and the anti-government folks in Oregon ignore masks…and all laws in general.

agree the government mandate doesn’t mean success…requires people to think and follow.

Kinda like how people are still killed by speeders…can’t blame the government…they posted a speed limit…
As a healthcare professional , polio was beaten with 23 years of research and a vaccine that was 99.5 % effective. Try again
 

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As a healthcare professional , polio was beaten with 23 years of research and a vaccine that was 99.5 % effective. Try again
Pretty sure he was insinuating that polio was eradicated by a vaccine.

And as a member of the public, I can’t imagine any serious healthcare professional not promoting the benefits of these vaccines - in particular Pfizer.
 
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Delta variant has changed that equation. It’s killing young kids now.
Mainly kids who’s immune system aren’t developed enough to fight the virus. Combine that with the people whose immune system is too depleted to fight the virus, that’s virtually all of the deaths. Still barely anything for the conditioner college aged kids
 

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Mainly kids who’s immune system aren’t developed enough to fight the virus. Combine that with the people whose immune system is too depleted to fight the virus, that’s virtually all of the deaths. Still barely anything for the conditioner college aged kids
Absolutely not true at all. The assumptions that are being made are truly head scratching. I’ll digress, however.
 

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Well, apparently mask bans weren’t the most effective strategy. Magiving action a chance versus inaction maybe makes sense.

maybe it’s not a leftist thing, but a common sense thing…

Ive never had polio…vaccine likely had something to do with it…

If someone says they are against masks and vaccines, seems like they are rooting for the virus…
What the hell is this, someone puts up a dumb sign and everyone that posts after that has it by their name like it is theirs. Very misleading, need to change that.
 

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Good. Hopefully the life and health insurance companies begin risk rating policies based on vaccination status. That would help put a stop to the antivax nonsense.

Don’t want to get vaccinated? Here’s your $150k bill for ECMO.

Here’s some early data related to hospital stay costs and vaccination status: https://www.healthcaredive.com/news...-costing-us-healthcare-system-billion/605469/
This.
Insurance companies should start charging more for the unvaxxed.

rates are diff for smoking for example.
age.
etc

i simply do not understand how/why someone would be against this life saving vax. Have yet to hear any coherent explanation.