OT - A Scholarly Debate at Hartfield

[paindonthurt]

You have to ask yourself, where are the white fathers?

Thats cute but statistics prove that having no father is bad.

 

[paindonthurt]

Got the story for anyone interested.

1. There was no "making fun of kid's dead mother"

2. Student section was ribbing Oak Forest players pretty good. Nothing out of line but giving them hell. One particular player for OFA was mouthing back at them when Hartfield had a significant lead at the end of the game.

3. A parent from OFA (may have been that player's parent - my source did not know for sure) took offense and found someone willing to engage in a debate.


Both the OFA and Hartfield parent will likely not see their kids play the rest of the year.

IF this is true, its partially on Hartfield. Shut the student section down if it gets out of hand.

 

[615dawg]

IF this is true, its partially on Hartfield. Shut the student section down if it gets out of hand.

Yeah, Hartfield is not completely innocent in this. One of their parents actively sought to confront the OFA parent.

I'm torn on the student section. Maybe they can be told to tone it down and cheer for their team instead of ribbing the other team, but I also think it should be tough to play on the road.

 

[paindonthurt]

Yeah, Hartfield is not completely innocent in this. One of their parents actively sought to confront the OFA parent.

I'm torn on the student section. Maybe they can be told to tone it down and cheer for their team instead of ribbing the other team, but I also think it should be tough to play on the road.

I’m all for cheering and even ribbing the other team, but when you let kids get that close to the court where other kids are playing, you are gonna have problems if you don’t police it properly.

 

[SteelCurtain74]

Well, if the Oak Forest crowd isn't salty enough, I believe they have to drive to Columbus to play Heritage Academy tonight in the first round of the playoffs. You might seen some of those fine folks in Starkville tomorrow morning.

I can't imagine a longer distance to travel for a game in MAIS other than if they went to Magnolia Heights.

 

[Msdeltareb]

Terrible situation. People are too invested in sports sometimes.

From the JJ comments:

The Oak Forest player's mother had recently died, and the Hartfield students were heckling about it. Yes - his dead mother. This is yet another example of Hartfield being a low class place with poor leadership.

I know Hatfield isn't that far from Pearl, but Id have to hear the recording to believe that.

 

[Faustdog]

I know Hartfield isn't that far from Pearl, but Id have to hear the recording to believe that.

It isn't true. It fit some narratives too well so some folks ran with it.

One thing I should stop being amazed by is how people from the Jackson schools talk about each other. There are constant transfers between Prep, Hartfield, MRA, etc. Some families have one kid at Prep and another at Hartfield or JA.

There are families at Hartfield that two years ago would have laughed at that suggestion, because their families had been so firmly entrenched at Prep. There are kids who were at Hartfield who are now at MRA and Prep.

There are cultural differences, but the people are closer to the same than any of them would like to admit.

 

[mstateglfr]

Yeah, Hartfield is not completely innocent in this. One of their parents actively sought to confront the OFA parent.

I'm torn on the student section. Maybe they can be told to tone it down and cheer for their team instead of ribbing the other team, but I also think it should be tough to play on the road.

It should absolutely be tough to play on the road.
Students should scream 'AIRBALL' over and over when a player that airballed earlier, gets the ball on subsequent possessions.
Students should scream 'WE CANT HEAR YOU!' to the opposing student section when that team is losing and the section is cheering quietly.
Students shouldnt scream 'ORPHAN' to a kid whose parents have both died.

Its like the obscenity threshold- cant define it but know it when you see it.

 

[johnson86-1]

Thats cute but statistics prove that having no father is bad.

Crazily enough, statistics show that it's worse to be in an area with a lot of fatherless households than it is to be in a fatherless household yourself. Not sure if I believe those statistics. I'm guessing it says something more about the type of fatherless household that ends up in somewhere like Mountain Brook compared to the typical intact family in a place like inner city birmingham or whatever example. But seeing how much stay at home mothers do at our schools and different things in the community, I can kind see it making up for a lot of the disadvantages from being in a fatherless home.

 

[johnson86-1]

It isn't true. It fit some narratives too well so some folks ran with it.

One thing I should stop being amazed by is how people from the Jackson schools talk about each other. There are constant transfers between Prep, Hartfield, MRA, etc. Some families have one kid at Prep and another at Hartfield or JA.

There are families at Hartfield that two years ago would have laughed at that suggestion, because their families had been so firmly entrenched at Prep. There are kids who were at Hartfield who are now at MRA and Prep.

Yea, that seemed obviously false. I rarely think you can be too cynical/pessimistic about other people's behavior, particularly during sports, but I can't believe that there are many high schools where a student doing that wouldn't be shut down by their fellow students. Hell, even at Vaught Hemingway, I doubt there are more than 20 to 25,000 people on a typical fall saturday that would stoop that low.**

There are cultural differences, but the people are closer to the same than any of them would like to admit.

I think that's true of most real rivalries. State/UM, Bama/Auburn, Michigan/OSU, bloods/crips, etc.

 

[paindonthurt]

Crazily enough, statistics show that it's worse to be in an area with a lot of fatherless households than it is to be in a fatherless household yourself. Not sure if I believe those statistics. I'm guessing it says something more about the type of fatherless household that ends up in somewhere like Mountain Brook compared to the typical intact family in a place like inner city birmingham or whatever example. But seeing how much stay at home mothers do at our schools and different things in the community, I can kind see it making up for a lot of the disadvantages from being in a fatherless home.

Trying to understand this but wouldn’t an area with a bunch of fatherless households have a bunch of kids suffering who were also fatherless?

 

[paindonthurt]

Trying to understand this but wouldn’t an area with a bunch of fatherless households have a bunch of kids suffering who were also fatherless?

Or is it saying being fatherless in an affluent neighborhood isn’t as bad as being fatherless in a neighborhood full of fatherless families?

@johnson86-1

 

[Msdeltareb]

It isn't true. It fit some narratives too well so some folks ran with it.

One thing I should stop being amazed by is how people from the Jackson schools talk about each other. There are constant transfers between Prep, Hartfield, MRA, etc. Some families have one kid at Prep and another at Hartfield or JA.

There are families at Hartfield that two years ago would have laughed at that suggestion, because their families had been so firmly entrenched at Prep. There are kids who were at Hartfield who are now at MRA and Prep.

There are cultural differences, but the people are closer to the same than any of them would like to admit.

Agreed 100%. You could say that about the whole state and all of its many fandoms.

 

[johnson86-1]

Or is it saying being fatherless in an affluent neighborhood isn’t as bad as being fatherless in a neighborhood full of fatherless families?

@johnson86-1

It is saying the impact from being in a neighborhood with a lot of fatherless households (or a lot of intact families) is bigger than the impact of actually being in a fatherless household (or intact family) if that makes sense.

basically saying statistically you’re better off being one of the few kids in a fatherless household in an area with a lot of intact families than you are being one of the few kids in an intact families in an area with a lot of fatherless households.

 

[1msucub]

I don’t know….natural T calms you down. It’s the surge that makes you do dumb stuff. Remember it’s the dads that are fighting.

Obviously uncontrolled T in teenagers (without dads) also isn’t good. But that’s not the case in MS academy ball 90% of the time.

Good points.

 

[patdog]

Crazily enough, statistics show that it's worse to be in an area with a lot of fatherless households than it is to be in a fatherless household yourself. Not sure if I believe those statistics. I'm guessing it says something more about the type of fatherless household that ends up in somewhere like Mountain Brook compared to the typical intact family in a place like inner city birmingham or whatever example. But seeing how much stay at home mothers do at our schools and different things in the community, I can kind see it making up for a lot of the disadvantages from being in a fatherless home.

Makes sense. If your parents divorced & you’re in an area where most kids have a father, you’re going to spend time with friends who have a father & be influenced by them. And also much more likely your own father is still involved with your life. If you're an inner city kid you probably have few good adult male role models.

 

[paindonthurt]

Good points.

@OG Goat Holder responding to himself