OT: American Primeval on Netflix.
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I liked it too. Everytime I watch something similar to that, I come away thinking how terrifying it must have been to live during that time period… for both Indians and early settlers. Constantly worried you’re about to get attacked.
It was a great series. Very bloody
For those of you who like westerns you should also watch Godless another great series on Netflix
For those of you who like westerns you should also watch Godless another great series on Netflix
The massacre really happened, and it was carried out just like the show. It was LDS members dressed like Indians along with Indians.
Great series but in all honesty I thought the ending was horrible. It made the entire show a bit pointless but with no S2 I suppose it’s alright from a narrative standpoint
I watched the series and agree, it was a good watch. The series did send me down a path of research to determine exactly how Utah was settled. Very interesting. I never knew.
However the LDS has came out with a press release saying it wasn't accurate regarding Brigham Young But.... I'm not sure I believe their side either.
Yeah, I read a good bit about that after watching the show. Definitely an interesting period in American history.
I am LDS. I don't think he knew it was going to happen, but he knew it happened and who did it and tried to keep plausible deniability. You have to understand what had happened to them up to the point they got to Utah. They were tired of being persecuted and murdered. They made their stand. If you go to the church archives you will see deeds to millions of acres of land stolen from them in Ilinois and Missouri. Joeseph Smith was arrested for made up charges and murdered in jail. Their men were being murdered. Sooner or later, you can only turn your cheek so many times. They just said no more. I never try to look at 19th century politics through 21st century eyes.
The show inspired me to go do a little wiki reading as well, very interesting. It also really reinforced the notion that one man's righteous freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
My Great Great Granddad was born in 1836. He served in the Confederate Army. In 1899 a group of Mormon Missionaries came through Madison County up close to Camden. He was Baptised into the church with all his siblings, and children. In 1902 the Southeastern mission approved three new chapels in Miss. He donated the land for the one in Madison County up close to Camden. By the end of the year two of the chapels were burned down. They came to burn the chapel down in Madison County. My Great Great Granddad stood in their way and said, you know who I am and where I come from, please do not burn this church down." That chapel is still there, is still used and is the oldest Mormon building still in use in the Southeast.
That's really cool you have all this family history recorded, thanks for sharing
I loved it. Someone said it was insanely violent and I knew he had watched Bone Tomahawk. I don’t think it reaches that level or The Revenant either.
We could all probably benefit from that last sentence.
Watched the last episode last night.....didnt care for the way they ended it.
I finished it yesterday. It was a good series and I agree the ending almost ruined it. My favorite part was when Sarah grabbed that pistol and killed the s hit out of the French freaks. She’s a pretty damn good actress.
Well Sh*t
Glad I binged watched that SOB show late at night so I didn’t miss a fishing day in the morning.
Portrayed Brigham Y so bad I tore my vintage Steve Young poster up and threw it in the kindling to start a crawfish boil.
Glad I binged watched that SOB show late at night so I didn’t miss a fishing day in the morning.
Portrayed Brigham Y so bad I tore my vintage Steve Young poster up and threw it in the kindling to start a crawfish boil.
Asking all those who disliked the ending...
How would you have ended it?
I'm not sure why the ending is viewed as being horrible. Story lines all wrapped up, bad people were stopped, etc.
...I often miss on why some dislike certain endings.
How would you have ended it?
I'm not sure why the ending is viewed as being horrible. Story lines all wrapped up, bad people were stopped, etc.
...I often miss on why some dislike certain endings.
It made the entire point of the show completely pointless. Akin to the final season of Game of Thrones, circumventing expectations that were clearly and repeatedly laid out over the course of the show just to be different ruins the entire narrative. Especially when said ending just doesn’t make much sense
Ok, not trying to argue here, but this doesnt clarify anything.
...I figured the point of the show was to tell the story of a mom and son's journey west during a really tensioned and combative time of expansion. The show introduces related characters, reveals relevant backstory information on all characters, and pushes the main plot forward by telling multiple story arcs.
Did the final episode circumvent expectations that were laid out during prior episodes?
The final episode shows the LDS group further working to manage the territory...which I expected.
The final episode shows Sara and kids making it to Crooks Springs...which I expected.
I didnt expect Isaac to die in the way he died, but it also wasnt surprising that he died and doesnt seem to ruin the episode.
I didnt expect Sara and Isaac to show affection for one another, but it also wasnt surprising that they did and doesnt seem to ruin the episode.
I didnt expect Young to burn the fort, but given the immediately stated reason, it fit.
Again, I often miss why some endings to movies/shows annoy/anger others, so this is really just interesting to me since its yet another example.
I may have low expectations or standards too!
I'm assuming the ending leaves a bad taste for many for it feels a bit abrupt and anticlimactic. I thought it was fitting for the show, because it eschewed certain Western genre tropes and was bleak and unrelenting; as was life in that area and time.
Side note, did anyone foresee this dude from The Last Boy Scout one day portraying Brigham Young.
Side note, did anyone foresee this dude from The Last Boy Scout one day portraying Brigham Young.
I didn't mind the ending. It was for sure a tragic ending, and a lot of good shows/movies have tragic endings (like the Penguin for example).
I mean I'd prefer a happier one, but that just wasn't the nature of the show.
Peter: How many times must I forgive my brother? Seven times?
Jesus: Seventy times seven, but on that 491st time, it’s time to massacre women and children.
Jesus: Seventy times seven, but on that 491st time, it’s time to massacre women and children.
I was also wondering what folks specific beef with the ending was - everything aint a happy ending. Did the series (and, hell, life itself) not prepare them for that??
I suspect some of the juxtaposition is how maybe most of think of the LDS church today: maybe a little peculiar, but generally nice, peaceful people who do a lot of heavy lifting to help out their fellow man . Meanwhile, not many groups have squared up with Uncle Sam and won (or at least fought em to a draw with the creation of Utah as a state). Very interesting reading.
Spoiler alert (not that there aren't many already)
I thought half way through, the end would be Sara taming Issac and they ride off into the sunset. Very obvious. So they created an unexpected ending, as good or bad as may have been.
The ending did leave me with one huge thought.... since she went to California ... I think Sara killed her husband back east, was escaping the consequences of that and never had a husband in camp whatever to the west.
I thought half way through, the end would be Sara taming Issac and they ride off into the sunset. Very obvious. So they created an unexpected ending, as good or bad as may have been.
The ending did leave me with one huge thought.... since she went to California ... I think Sara killed her husband back east, was escaping the consequences of that and never had a husband in camp whatever to the west.
Half the KKK were Baptist. Just saying. Also slave owners could not join the LDS church. You have to understand how many of their men, women and children were murdered up to that point. But that is mid 19th century. I am not going to judge.
Edited to add the church did not direct those members to carry out the killing. They did it on their own. We know that because of journals that members of the church are asked to keep about their daily lives. That's how I know the story about my ancestor. But again, it's the mid 19th century.
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