CNN reporting that at least 8 killed by shooter at the Sante Fe, Texas (near Galveston/Houston) High school.
OT: Another school shooting
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Where are you at Dawgman? I'm in League City. My daughters club VB coaches are both on staff at Santa Fe. Thank God they are both OK.
I'm in League City too. I have a good friend who lives in Santa Fe and has a daughter in that high school. Thankfully she is ok too.
17ing ******** in this world.
Simple as that.
Having lost a child very young, i cant imagine the difficulty in losing one who has been with you so long while still so young.
17ing ********.
Simple as that.
Having lost a child very young, i cant imagine the difficulty in losing one who has been with you so long while still so young.
17ing ********.
For some reason, the past 25-30 years as turned kids soft and meaner to one another. Perception of being cool and well liked by kid's high school peers is paramount in today's society for some reason. Parents need to do a better job of explaining HS "coolness" is a VERY small part of life and parents also need to do a better job if they have a kid who's out of control.
The kid today was apparently too scared to commit suicide, which was his original plan, so he gave up to officers.
It all started with Columbine. A tipping point was reached then and it appears to be accelerating now.
ETA: Sorry for your loss MstateGlfer. I can't imagine.
The kid today was apparently too scared to commit suicide, which was his original plan, so he gave up to officers.
It all started with Columbine. A tipping point was reached then and it appears to be accelerating now.
ETA: Sorry for your loss MstateGlfer. I can't imagine.
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People on both sides want to talk about the guns, but it seems like no one wants to talk about the schools. And not the physical security and procedures, but what happens to kids at schools that make them go off and do these things. The social dynamics. How most people can tolerate the typical awkward, mean, and humiliating crap most people have to go through at some points of schooling, while for others it internally festers and turns into violence. How we form our children into adolescents and eventually, and hopefully, into functioning adults.
I think you are right tracing it back to Columbine. Eric Harris became famous overnight before social media and remains a cult hero to these murderers and the people who egg them on. I cant imagine the way we cover these things deters narcissists from wanting to perpetrate them, but I'm not sure how it should change. It would be an interesting conversation to have here.
(Or we could go ahead off the deep end and get this thing locked. Next man up...)
(Or we could go ahead off the deep end and get this thing locked. Next man up...)
CNN has a "breaking news" bulletin that pipe bombs and pressure cookers were found at the scene, home and car (presumably the victim's).
Still don't know what kind of gun was used, but earlier I heard that it might have been a shotgun. He must've had to reload several times if that was the case.
Still don't know what kind of gun was used, but earlier I heard that it might have been a shotgun. He must've had to reload several times if that was the case.
That's exactly what it is. It's copycatting. I've said that if the media would completely stop reporting on incidents like this I feel like it would stop. But I get that the media has a responsibility to inform the public and I doubt very seriously that would ever happen. But there's an even bigger issue that x3Punt mentioned. Kids can be evil to each other and the social dynamic in schools is a breeding ground for anger and depression.
The worst thing of all is that parents of kids that bully are often at the very root of the problem. The "cool" thing for parents is to live their lives through their kids and be their "buddies." You see it with the helicopter parenting, the insanity of youth sports and other activities, etc. I see parents that let their kids get away with ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, without accountability or consequences. You think they police bullying? Hell, they usually indirectly or even actively encourage it.
First off to glfr - you must be a strong man to keep it all together, much respect and sorry for your loss.
This absolutely sickening. I am sure this kid was on some type of meds for a mental issue or he was on meds that turned him into a mental case. Mix in a little social media, internet, video games and constant news coverage of other shootings and it creates a monster. Digital fantasies can come true in the eyes of a digital zombie, thus creating a real world monster. These types of kids didn’t exist years ago and some people don’t understand why they do know, the answer is above.
This absolutely sickening. I am sure this kid was on some type of meds for a mental issue or he was on meds that turned him into a mental case. Mix in a little social media, internet, video games and constant news coverage of other shootings and it creates a monster. Digital fantasies can come true in the eyes of a digital zombie, thus creating a real world monster. These types of kids didn’t exist years ago and some people don’t understand why they do know, the answer is above.
Tons of psychiatrists have stated over and over again that these type of people feed off of the attention and publicity which leads to their actions. I believe it has to do with the rise of the media and attention they can receive. I would love if the media would never report the persons name. Describe their background and history but don't mention their name or their picture
Have you read Tipping Point by Gladwell? If not, it’s pretty good. He talks about social constructs and how they impact suicide rates internationally. I would imagine many of the same influences are in play with regards to school shootings.
Our explosion in gun ownership is a primary factor as well.
Our explosion in gun ownership is a primary factor as well.
Columbine is also instructive in that aspect. Read about some of the things that happened to Harris and Klebold in high school...
But, Harris had motives that went beyond getting back at bullies. If his bombs had detonated hundreds of kids and teachers would have died, perhaps 500+. His original plan was to wait outside and shoot survivors of the bombing as they fled; then to detonate bombs he had placed in his car when first responders arrived; and THEN his plan was to escape to Denver International and hijack an airplane and fly it into the World Trade Center.
Very few of these shooters have been as ambitious as Harris, but I believe narcissism and want of fame contribute to their motives.
"It'll be like the LA riots, the oklahoma bombing, WWII, vietnam, duke and doom all mixed together... I want to leave a lasting impression on the world." - Eric Harris, 1999
But, Harris had motives that went beyond getting back at bullies. If his bombs had detonated hundreds of kids and teachers would have died, perhaps 500+. His original plan was to wait outside and shoot survivors of the bombing as they fled; then to detonate bombs he had placed in his car when first responders arrived; and THEN his plan was to escape to Denver International and hijack an airplane and fly it into the World Trade Center.
Very few of these shooters have been as ambitious as Harris, but I believe narcissism and want of fame contribute to their motives.
"It'll be like the LA riots, the oklahoma bombing, WWII, vietnam, duke and doom all mixed together... I want to leave a lasting impression on the world." - Eric Harris, 1999
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I'd say don't even mention their history or background. Nothing. Zip about the culprit.
In this digital age where these kids have all these "friends" and are "connected" to everyone and everything, psychologists are also seeing a precipitous rise in loneliness and depression. Social media, video games and tech addiction are big factors in how so many compartmentalize their world. If what they allow into that bubble is all they dwell on or are exposed to, game over.
And it begins with the parents. Know what's going on with your kids.
And it begins with the parents. Know what's going on with your kids.
cnn did have a thing for a while where they didnt report the shooters name. at the same time, a bunch of people, myself included are interested in the circumstances and detailed environment that would produce violence like this. there is interest, but i agree that it does elevate the perpetrators in a way that seems to encourage others. to your point, i think there is a way to do both as you describe.
I don't see how they can be expected to not report the news, and the news includes the identity of the person reponsible. It would be nice to not give him the satisfaction of fame, but impossible to do at the same time.
and it’s best explained by John Witherspoon
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-fskZimu4&feature=youtu.be
Thanks for the words. It was long ago as he would almost be 9, and we were lucky to know he wouldnt be around long.
I didnt mean to divert anything away from the thread topic though. 10 dead and 10 injured is horrific.
The callous disregard these cowards have for life is difficult to even comprehend.
Well said.
I think we underestimate the way the human race has turned itself on its head with modern technology, and especially social media. I don't envy kids having to navigate young lives where everything is broadcast to everyone, and I don't envy parents trying to help their kids through it.
I think we underestimate the way the human race has turned itself on its head with modern technology, and especially social media. I don't envy kids having to navigate young lives where everything is broadcast to everyone, and I don't envy parents trying to help their kids through it.
This can’t be said enough. It’s not just social media and phones either. People in relationships suffer bc they can’t discuss their problems.
Obviously technology has magnified the issue, but it’s not the cause.
Obviously technology has magnified the issue, but it’s not the cause.
Try this MFer and convict him within 6 months. Hang his sorry *** by the neck from a rope until dead. Do so in the public square. Leave his f’n corpse hanging there for 24 hours before taking him down.
An extended mag shotgun with buckshot in a close range indiscriminate gun violence situation is arguably the most deadly firearm known to man. Far more effective than the hot topic weapons.
Extremely tragic. Have to take a long look at how we respond to this stuff.
Extremely tragic. Have to take a long look at how we respond to this stuff.
All the downvotes are interesting. As if there wasn't some statistical evidence that the availability of guns has no impact on the rate of suicides and gun violence.
You have my sympathies man. That is the nightmare for all us parents. The fact that you can even talk about it says a lot about your intestinal fortitude.
As for this shooter, again they are saying there were signs that were there but not followed up on. I imagine the reason is that if the police had said something the parents would have hit the roof.
I don't know the answer but most problems start in the home. The doc I watched on Columbine showed that Eric Harris's Dad didn't believe there was anything wrong with Eric in spite of trouble with the law and other signs that something was wrong and excused everything he did.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-do-mass-shootings-happen-best-explanation/
Gladwell is hardly an NRA conservative — and he believes gun control “has its place” — but he also shares this grim warning: “Let’s not kid ourselves that if we passed the strictest gun control in the world that we would end this particular kind of behavior.”
Gladwell is hardly an NRA conservative — and he believes gun control “has its place” — but he also shares this grim warning: “Let’s not kid ourselves that if we passed the strictest gun control in the world that we would end this particular kind of behavior.”
Ok. So how? What's your solution? Decrease the availability of guns? Adam Lanza stole the one he used. Name one, you know, "common sense" gun control law.
Statistics say living in a inner city with mostly African Americans means you are more likely to die or get robbed.
Feel the same way abt those stats?
Feel the same way abt those stats?
Sad to say: Students are the source of most of these events.
1. Bullying other students to the point that the victims commit suicide (~4,400 of suicides every year)
2. Peer pressure: Urging fellow students (many underage) to drink too much (4,300+ underage youth perish in alcohol related deaths every year)
3. Peer pressure: "Introducing" fellow students to drugs, providing drugs, etc. (2015: ~770 15-19 year olds died from drug overdoses)
As horrible as they are, deaths due to shootings on campus don't come near the amount of deaths of #1, #2, & #3
More details? Go to the CDC website, the NIH website, bullyingstatistics.org, etc., etc.
1. Bullying other students to the point that the victims commit suicide (~4,400 of suicides every year)
2. Peer pressure: Urging fellow students (many underage) to drink too much (4,300+ underage youth perish in alcohol related deaths every year)
3. Peer pressure: "Introducing" fellow students to drugs, providing drugs, etc. (2015: ~770 15-19 year olds died from drug overdoses)
As horrible as they are, deaths due to shootings on campus don't come near the amount of deaths of #1, #2, & #3
More details? Go to the CDC website, the NIH website, bullyingstatistics.org, etc., etc.
I was a Jr in high school when Columbine happened. Kids today that age are living in a different society than I was in. As someone else said, I don't envy these children. I had "troubled" classmates who under the pressure cooker kids are in today I'm scared to think of how they might of turned out instead of mostly growing out of it like my classmates did. I'm so thankful I was a teen in the 90's.
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