OT - Bulk Federal Land Sale

[Car Ramrod.sixpack]

I haven't seen any mention of this in the past week or so sorry if Germans. Below is an email from a friend of mine. If you feel inclined please call and email your Senators. I called both Roger Wicker and Cindy's Hyde-Smith's offices earlier in the week.

Dear Sportsmen and Women,

Trusting all is well when you receive this. We are communicating that we believe things are happening that we should all be aware of. It has grabbed our attention and perhaps we should all be concerned...

From what we've seen, heard and understand through various outlets a bill is trying to be passed through the Senate. This bill intends to push the sale of approximately 3.3 million acres of US public land through multiple Western states. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and National Forest lands in states such as California, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah as well as several others are allegedly subject to these sell offs. If or when this bill passes as being sold to private individuals/companies, there are no assurances granting access to what we all have known to be public land.

Again, to our understanding, this bill will be subject to a vote prior to or possibly on July 4th. This being said, time is short... let’s stand together and try to do something about this.

This is an issue that should not be overlooked. We know that many of us lead very busy lives, but a few minutes dedicated to fighting this bill from passing will hopefully make a difference.

I know we're all busy, but this is one of those things where a few minutes of our time could actually make a difference in preserving our country's public lands as we know them. We are understanding that everyone's time is valuable and important but so are our children, grandchildren and those to follow with saving for them what we've been fortunate to have and treasure.

Let us not let this slip by… this is one of those things where a few minutes of our time could make a difference in preserving our country's public lands as we know them. We understand that everyone's time is valuable and important, but so are our children, grandchildren and those to follow with saving for them what we've been fortunate to have and treasure.

Again, the Senate is supposed to vote by July 4th...

What we all need to do is take just a few minutes of our individual time to call (202) 224-3121 and ask to be connected to your state's senators. Let them know you are against the sell off US public lands in the budget bill. Alternatively, there is a website that makes it easy and hopefully quicker. Here's the link:

https://action.outdooralliance.org/a/reconciliation-senate/?ms=map. Utilizing this link basically writes the email for you.

Also, please forward this to as many friends, family members, colleagues and anyone you know that will and can support saving our country's public lands.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and helping with this attempt to stop this bill and saving our US public lands.

David Cruz
Founder and CEO
Country Pursuits & Outfitters

 

[mstateglfr]

I read that the initial land sale portion was removed and revised verbiage would mean up to 1.2MM acres could be sold off over 5 years.


It still has a chance to truly be one big beautiful land sale.**

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I haven't seen any mention of this in the past week or so sorry if Germans. Below is an email from a friend of mine. If you feel inclined please call and email your Senators. I called both Roger Wicker and Cindy's Hyde-Smith's offices earlier in the week.

Dear Sportsmen and Women,

Trusting all is well when you receive this. We are communicating that we believe things are happening that we should all be aware of. It has grabbed our attention and perhaps we should all be concerned...

From what we've seen, heard and understand through various outlets a bill is trying to be passed through the Senate. This bill intends to push the sale of approximately 3.3 million acres of US public land through multiple Western states. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and National Forest lands in states such as California, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah as well as several others are allegedly subject to these sell offs. If or when this bill passes as being sold to private individuals/companies, there are no assurances granting access to what we all have known to be public land.

Again, to our understanding, this bill will be subject to a vote prior to or possibly on July 4th. This being said, time is short... let’s stand together and try to do something about this.

This is an issue that should not be overlooked. We know that many of us lead very busy lives, but a few minutes dedicated to fighting this bill from passing will hopefully make a difference.

I know we're all busy, but this is one of those things where a few minutes of our time could actually make a difference in preserving our country's public lands as we know them. We are understanding that everyone's time is valuable and important but so are our children, grandchildren and those to follow with saving for them what we've been fortunate to have and treasure.

Let us not let this slip by… this is one of those things where a few minutes of our time could make a difference in preserving our country's public lands as we know them. We understand that everyone's time is valuable and important, but so are our children, grandchildren and those to follow with saving for them what we've been fortunate to have and treasure.

Again, the Senate is supposed to vote by July 4th...

What we all need to do is take just a few minutes of our individual time to call (202) 224-3121 and ask to be connected to your state's senators. Let them know you are against the sell off US public lands in the budget bill. Alternatively, there is a website that makes it easy and hopefully quicker. Here's the link:

https://action.outdooralliance.org/a/reconciliation-senate/?ms=map. Utilizing this link basically writes the email for you.

Also, please forward this to as many friends, family members, colleagues and anyone you know that will and can support saving our country's public lands.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and helping with this attempt to stop this bill and saving our US public lands.

David Cruz
Founder and CEO
Country Pursuits & Outfitters

Even if we get a free pair of gold shoes with every purchase?

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I got no problem with this. The gub’mint owns way too property.

 

[Car Ramrod.sixpack]

I read that the initial land sale portion was removed and revised verbiage would mean up to 1.2MM acres could be sold off over 5 years.


It still has a chance to truly be one big beautiful land sale.**

That is correct the initial proposal was removed earlier this week but I have not had a chance to look over the new verbiage. From what I'm hearing it is just as bad.

 

[Bulldog45]

I got no problem with this. The gub’mint owns way too property.

I agree as long as the Bill Gates types don’t get their hands on it

 

[MStateDawg]

I agree as long as the Bill Gates types don’t get their hands on it

They'll just sell it to China

 

[Car Ramrod.sixpack]

I agree as long as the Bill Gates types don’t get their hands on it

I have a feeling this is what will happen and they will become their vacation homes. Keeping these lands public is vital for river access and public hunting out west. There are 5 million jobs and a 1.2 Trillion dollar industry that depends on these public lands.

They are trying to claim this is to promote affordable housing but you know they will only be bought by the extremely wealthy and private equity groups.

 

[mstateglfr]

If public land needs to be sold for housing development, like legitimately for this use, then it should be sold in 500 acre parcels with a contract that states X number of single family homes will be built, X number of shared wall units will be built, X number of parks with X amount of land will be developed, there will be space reserved for school(s) and mixed shopping, X % of each form of housing will sell at 75% of the region's average price, etc.
And in the contract, it should be stated that the government will take possession of everything and sell it again to another developer while pocketing all funds, if any of the agreed upon terms are not met at any point during development.


Point being- hold developers to all of it. I get that putting a bunch of stipulations on developers is a claimed reason for us being in this situation right now, but 17 it- this should be an opportunity to create housing that is accessible. No 2+ acre 'Executive' lots. No housing developments without sidewalks or bike paths.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

They'll just sell it to China

I trust Chiner more than my own gub’mint

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Ridiculous short term money grab. We don’t need more land for housing, what a crock of shlt. 17ing Republicans.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

There’s already plenty of privately owned land for sale that could be developed for housing. This is nothing more than some elected officials trying to line their pockets in some way. When Mississippi is as crowded as manhattan, I’ll be OK with the government developing land for housing.

 

[dudehead]

Break it by starving the beast.

Now liquidate.

The plan (hatched in the late 1970s and early 80s) marches on.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I called one senator (and one representative for good measure). Told them I’m considering donating to their campaign for the first time if they don’t vote for this, but I’ll continue not giving if they do vote. I could hear the intern shaking while diligently writing down my concerns. I probably single handedly killed this thing.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Ridiculous short term money grab. We don’t need more land for housing, what a crock of shlt. 17ing Republicans.

Damn skippy!!!

No do Democrats.

If they pull funding for Planned Parenthood, gonna need somewhere to house all those orphans until they're old enough to be incarcerated.

 

[mstateglfr]

If they pull funding for Planned Parenthood, gonna need somewhere to house all those orphans until they're old enough to be incarcerated.

Holyshit this was actually posted.

 

[Pars]

Damn skippy!!!

No do Democrats.

If they pull funding for Planned Parenthood, gonna need somewhere to house all those orphans until they're old enough to be incarcerated.

 

[johnson86-1]

If public land needs to be sold for housing development, like legitimately for this use, then it should be sold in 500 acre parcels with a contract that states X number of single family homes will be built, X number of shared wall units will be built, X number of parks with X amount of land will be developed, there will be space reserved for school(s) and mixed shopping, X % of each form of housing will sell at 75% of the region's average price, etc.
And in the contract, it should be stated that the government will take possession of everything and sell it again to another developer while pocketing all funds, if any of the agreed upon terms are not met at any point during development.


Point being- hold developers to all of it. I get that putting a bunch of stipulations on developers is a claimed reason for us being in this situation right now, but 17 it- this should be an opportunity to create housing that is accessible. No 2+ acre 'Executive' lots. No housing developments without sidewalks or bike paths.

We don't need land for housing development. We could fit the entire population of the US inside of California easily without it being particularly densely populated.

That said, there probably are places such as in Nevada where there is land close to population centers where its highest value would be additional residential housing.

If we're going to open up that land, putting restrictions on it is the exact wrong approach. If we are going to sell public land, we should maximize value to the taxpayers.

If there is a problem with people holding on to too much land and not making it available for development, that is a problem with the way we give preferential tax rates and the way to address it is by fixing tax policy. It's crazy to tax people more for developing land and making it and its improvements valuable but tax people less if they don't make it nicer. It makes no sense to say, housing is too expensive, and since we're unhappy that public land is being sold, we're going to make sure it's expensive and risky to develop that land to drive down the price taxpayers receive. Just make tax policy better so that people feel incentivized to develop land and allow development.

Althouth I don't know that tax policy is a big part of the problem compared to just restrictions on housing and development in general, but it probably is a small part of the problem. NIMBY's might not fight so hard against development if they were paying something more like a Georgian land tax. They might be looking to sell themselves to reduce their footprint and tax burden. But opening up that approach has its own potential for abuse.

 

[leeinator]

Most of that land is open prairie type land with grass to feed cows, etc. No place ANY of us would ever go to. Government has no need to hang on to land like that. Sell it and apply the proceeds toward the budget deficit. Only farmers or cattle ranchers would buy it. Make a provision that no sale can be made to any country outside the U.S. and can never be sold again or transferred outside the U.S.

 

[ronpolk]

Damn skippy!!!

No do Democrats.

If they pull funding for Planned Parenthood, gonna need somewhere to house all those orphans until they're old enough to be incarcerated.

I honestly don’t know if this is supposed to be for or against abortion.

 

[paindonthurt]

I agree as long as the Bill Gates types don’t get their hands on it

This isn’t very capitalistic of me but I’d agree.
Not sure how they’d do that fairly though.

what’s the income level or asset level cutoff.

Go to low and those people cant afford it.

go to high and people will say it was only for the rich.

$2 million in assets or less and $300,000 in income or less?

 

[paindonthurt]

Ridiculous short term money grab. We don’t need more land for housing, what a crock of shlt. 17ing Republicans.

Hahaha you think republicans are the only people whining about “affordable housing”?

you 17ing idiot

 

[paindonthurt]

Holyshit this was actually posted.

Holyshit where was he wrong? Be specific

 

[paindonthurt]

I honestly don’t know if this is supposed to be for or against abortion.

Me either! I was confused but amused.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I honestly don’t know if this is supposed to be for or against abortion.

I don’t either. Last I checked Democrats enjoyed killing babies. Regardless of what any of us think they are the pro choice bunch, so why would I accuse them of being hypocrites when Republicans are the ones wanting to defund planned parenthood.

 

[L4Dawg]

I got no problem with this. The gub’mint owns way too property.

Don’t get out much do you?

 

[ronpolk]

Most of that land is open prairie type land with grass to feed cows, etc. No place ANY of us would ever go to. Government has no need to hang on to land like that. Sell it and apply the proceeds toward the budget deficit. Only farmers or cattle ranchers would buy it. Make a provision that no sale can be made to any country outside the U.S. and can never be sold again or transferred outside the U.S.

If there is some land that provides no value to the government then a separate bill dedicated to just disposal of that needs to be done. This is trying to be slid into a budget bill because this senator thinks he can squeeze it in. I don’t trust the way this is being done. It was attempted to be done quietly and I feel like there is definitely some donor of the senator that stands to benefit.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Hahaha you think republicans are the only people whining about “affordable housing”?

you 17ing idiot

I’m saying Republicans are using that fake excuse to get people on board with this idea of selling public land to make up for the deficit (that will just continue to grow, from them and the next administration).

 

[L4Dawg]

Ridiculous short term money grab. We don’t need more land for housing, what a crock of shlt. 17ing Republicans.

Yeah, there is a lot of demand for affordable housing in places like the Bridget National Forest. This bill is singlehanded.y making me determined never to vote Republican again if it becomes law. The only Democrat I have ever voted for for National office is John Stennis. Im a life long Republican.

 

[L4Dawg]

Most of that land is open prairie type land with grass to feed cows, etc. No place ANY of us would ever go to. Government has no need to hang on to land like that. Sell it and apply the proceeds toward the budget deficit. Only farmers or cattle ranchers would buy it. Make a provision that no sale can be made to any country outside the U.S. and can never be sold again or transferred outside the U.S.

There is no private use possible for most of it….except as private playgrounds for billionaires. I’m a life long Republican for reference.

 

[L4Dawg]

I’m saying Republicans are using that fake excuse to get people on board with this idea of selling public land to make up for the deficit (that will just continue to grow, from them and the next administration).

It won’t even make a small dent in the deficit.

 

[DerHntr]

Asshats